As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Eboue-Why? wrote:Rob, as with DB10Gooner, I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying and you are highlighting all of the mistakes he has made. But the only reason for joining this discussion is because it's entitled 'Official Wenger out thread' and whilst I'm 110% for voicing where he's got it wrong, I also think that, and I say it again cos I believe that's what some fans are trying to do, hounding the man out of the club is a disgrace.
January traditionally never produces the chances to get top players which is why I believe he should be given until at least the summer to address the many problems.
At Old Trafford last April, the fans who sang their hearts out for 20 mins non stop were not chanting 'Wenger Out'. 6 months later after he made mistakes not buying experience, that chant is getting louder and I just think it's miles too early and out of order.
YOUR TEAM NEEDS ALL OF OUR SUPPORT. STAY TILL THE END AND SING YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR THE LADS!
Fair points. I never go to the away matches these days as I'm past it in that sense. So I doff my cap to you and the others who do.
I'll be there Tueday and back them as best I can. But I'd be a whole lot more confident if I felt Wenger had his finger on the pulse of things. And some action in January is eminently achievable. I just hope that AW grasps this opportunity for all our sakes.
DB10GOONER wrote:My take on the AW out thing is I'm prepared to back him until May 2010. That gives him plenty of time to nurture this young team, add some strength and develop them into world beaters (seeing as he's apparently been doing that since Summer 2007 - he keeps saying the team is "nearly" complete - well, complete the fucking team Arsene).
So, for me, that'll be 3 seasons devoted to his great youth experiment. If, after May 2010, we are still without a major trophy and scrapping for 4th place then that would be it for me - time to look to a new manager.
In relation to Smoothies comments above, I agree that we owe him respect, but I don't believe anyone is entitled to hold onto their job indefinitely based on previous success. Sure, we can and should respect what he has done for us, but there has to come a time where we say "that's it - the club is no longer going forward on the pitch, his time is up."
Everything comes to an end.
i totally agree with the above post. i also think that by that time (2010) comes along and we have'nt been sucessful then AW will leave on his own accord. we have no right to win anything even though we have the highest prices.
GadgetMan wrote:what the fuck is wrong with you lot...get rid of Mr Wenger?...are you lot out of your heads?...Ive watched and listened to this crap for long enough...
think it thru with a bit of sense...assume he goes...go on, think about it...go into a dark room and REALLY think it thru...if he goes, then 3/4 of the team will go too...the youngsters will disband...forget the premiership, forget CL qualification for the next 5 years...FFS we'll be glad to get thru to the 3rd round of the Carling Cup...we will become the same as the Y***s...
all we will have to hang on to is the past and the Invincibles...there will be no future...nothing for the next 5 years...you lot who have such short memories need to get a grip...
yes we are going thru a VERY tough time...without doubt the toughest time since AW came to us...but FFS we are still only 1/3 of the way thru the season...there is still so much to play for...and give AW time, he will turn it around...yes, he's made mistakes...but he will know that too...and he is THE MAN to turn it around...he will act...he's done it before, he'll do it again...
given whats gone on in the past few days, did you really think we'd go out and win today?...AW has only had the players for 1 day cos of the the stupid internationals and what has he got to contend with after the Villa game when heads were down anyway...the fucking captain going bi-polar!
go on, you lot who want to get rid of AW...who would you get to replace him and how would it be better than it is now...?
GOD I am so fucked off with you lot who have such short memories...me? I'll be there for the Kiev game and will be screaming my lungs out in support of my team...
I think a key point a lot of people are missing here is the work Wenger has done for the club in a long term sense. By this, I mean we have a structure that is so rare in the English game. When people suggest Mourinho etc. it simply would not work, he doesnt have the attitude that would suit Arsenal FC. We need someone who will fit into the structure & carry it on. Do it their way yes, but only tweak the set up we have now: The training facilities, the scouting network, the coaching staff. Wenger wont be sacked, he'll be made non-exec & moved onto the board. When he goes, it will not be mid-season.
We really need to appoint a dynamic Manager who is willing to bide his time & learn at Arsenal. Whoever said Slaven Bilic, great call & exactly what I mean. He's got playing & coaching experience of top players & would learn from Arsene & have him as an advisor if needs be.
I said last week that I feel Arsene is doing too much. We either need to appoint someone above AW to deal with transfers & the financial side or have AW do that & appoint someone to become Head Coach.
I was part of the Wenger Out mob a few weeks back and i dont agree that if he leaves 3/4 of the team will go too. This is always said about every club, Chelsea and Mourinho for example, It just doesnt happen like that! A manager cant take his team with him, 1 or 2 players maybe. And the players are contracted to the club and they are not all going to leave immediately (although i wish a lot of our lot would)
However, i am changing my tune. I think IF we were to get rid of AW, the time has passed. There is too much going on at the club at the moment and for him to go would be suicide - plus the point there is no-one to take over. However, Wenger is not untouchable and fans will get pissed off if we go more season without winning things, even if we are "not entitled to win something every year"
Keep Wenger cos he is a legend and the best prospect we have, but a lot needs to change because his unwillingness to realise the kids are not working is killing this club!
Prob already has been said (I have not read all 8 pages of posts) but given the amount of money we currently have and have had avaialble to us (for a number of reasons and yes the stadium is one) we have and still do punch well above our weight. No three, four, five trophy-less seasons is not good enough for The Arsenal but AW is the only one who will be able to bring sucess with the current resources avaialble. If we change manager we will need to have someone come in and inject money into the club to continue the sucess we have had.....no I don't want a new manager or a new owner ta!
The previously mentioned example of Clough is spot on. A man who was a legend at Forest (and rightly still is) but was allowed too much grace and got them in to trouble.
We are consistently told how Arsenal have a rosy long term future. Long term goals will not be achieved unless our short term goals are reached (if we fail to come top 4 our best players will leave, making the long terms targets much much harder). The board need to start becoming more concerned about the short term situation. And that means they need to start telling Wenger he needs to deliver trophies and soon.
All they tell us at the moment is they have faith in his abilities. That’s weak leadership and doesn’t set any tangible goals. Wenger is therefore left to make them up for himself. He has decided his goals are to win something with kids.
Realistically it doesn’t matter if we the fans want Wenger sacked or not, the current board are not going to sack him, so he will be there until the end of the season at the very least. And that is the very least he deserves. No arsenal fans want the club dragged through the mud or Wenger to be humiliated.
What we want is acknowledgement that there is a problem, leading to attempts to find the solution. I’m not expecting Wenger to come out and say “Yes, I was wrongâ€
