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digger · Post by **digger** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:29 pm

8th - 12th.

A club like ours can't be out of Europe IMO.

Post by **g88ner** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:27 pm

I don't see why we need to discuss Wenger being sacked... the board won't do it, and I wouldn't want them to!

We showed great progress last season, and this season has - SO FAR - been a shambles, but hopefully he'll put it right in January and over next summer.

So...

Wenger shouldn't be sacked... he's not getting away that easily!
- he started this... so he can bloody well finish it!

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:40 pm

I would not sack Wenger even if relegated.

If we failed to get out of the Championship after a season he would have to go though.

Calo · Post by **Calo** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:32 pm

if no trophy and not 4th he should go

where that option?

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:57 am

If we are still in the same situation at the end of May 2010 as we are now and we haven't won anything, I would hope he'd walk away. If he didn't then that would be the time to sack him. It would be a heartbreaking day but it would need to happen IMHO.

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:59 pm

I'm of a similar line of thought to DB10gooner - it isnt just about winning trophies or finishing in what position for me anyway but I do need to see signs that wenger has recognising his and the teams faults and is rectifying them which he isnt doing now. If he appears to be back on track then I will be right behind him otherwise its p45 time I'm afraid

StokeyGooner · Post by **StokeyGooner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:15 pm

Arsene Wenger is more aware of the problems in this squad than anyone else. There is no better man to have in charge of Arsenal football club, and if he wasn't and never had been our manager I would still think the same.
It's easy for anyone of us to pick holes in the squad because things aren't going well at the moment but you need to try and put things into perspective.
Try not to swallow all the bullshit from the media and just keep faith with the great man.

Wenger is a legend and anyone calling for him to get the sack is a boring mug.

Wenger knows... remember when were all saying that a few years ago. I think it might have been just after we went a whole season unbeaten. Or maybe it was after we won our second 'double' with Wenger in charge.

Grow up

Post by **flash gunner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:23 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:I would not sack Wenger even if relegated.

If we failed to get out of the Championship after a season he would have to go though.

....................... This is a joke right!?!

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:27 pm

StokeyGooner wrote:Arsene Wenger is more aware of the problems in this squad than anyone else. There is no better man to have in charge of Arsenal football club, and if he wasn't and never had been our manager I would still think the same.
It's easy for anyone of us to pick holes in the squad because things aren't going well at the moment but you need to try and put things into perspective.
Try not to swallow all the bullshit from the media and just keep faith with the great man.

Wenger is a legend and anyone calling for him to get the sack is a boring mug.

Wenger knows... remember when were all saying that a few years ago. I think it might have been just after we went a whole season unbeaten. Or maybe it was after we won our second 'double' with Wenger in charge.

Grow up

Dear Christ. Are you 12 years old?

It's easy for anyone of us to pick holes in the squad because things aren't going well at the moment

You seem to think we are all jumping on some sudden bandwagon because things are suddenly going wrong???!!! Things have been going wrong for a long time. We last won the PL in 2004. We have constantly struggled to even get near that type of form since then. We went into last season with a weak squad and won FUCK ALL. We then went into this season with an even weaker squad... That is down to one man; Wenger.

you need to try and put things into perspective.
Try not to swallow all the bullshit from the media and just keep faith with the great man.

Perspective?? Is blindly believing in Wenger putting things into perspective?? What bullshit from the media?? WE THE FANS are saying we are in crisis because WE ARE in the shit.

Wenger knows... remember when were all saying that a few years ago. I think it might have been just after we went a whole season unbeaten. Or maybe it was after we won our second 'double' with Wenger in charge.

I think the key phrase there is "A few years ago". He's failed to impress since.

Grow up.

please....

StokeyGooner · Post by **StokeyGooner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:52 pm

DB10 - you are the kind or person my post was aimed at so thanks for replying.

You reckon that we have struggled since 2004.
"We have constantly struggled to even get near that type of form since then".

1) That Arsenal team was one of the best football teams anyone of us has ever seen. Any manager would struggle to rebuild a squad to follow them (Ferguson had a similar problem a few years ago, and I seem to remember a few short sighted Man U fans questioning Ferguson at this stage).

2) We have reached two cup finals in that time. One of them being the European cup. We are recognised as playing the best football in the country (in this period) and have seen two of the most talented footballers of the last 20 years. Cesc and Henry.
Other than last year we havn't really had a strong title challenge since 2004 but other factors contribute to this (moving stadium, foriegn investment).
This is what I mean by 'perspective'.

In short if this isn't good enough for you and you think Wenger has failed to impress since 2004!? Go and watch the Harlem Globtrotters

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:08 pm

Sadly, Stokey you don't go down in the record books for havinng reached two finals or having the best players or playing the best football.
It's winning trophies that does.

Don't get me wrong as I believe in Arsene. Whether that to further glory or through some tricky financial time which were not lead to believe.

Ferguson rebuilt his team in a matter of two years were as Arsene's taken a lot longer. (and still counting)
That maybe due to lack of funds but I believe were being spun a web of lies in that we actually have money to spend.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:27 pm

StokeyGooner wrote:DB10 - you are the kind or person my post was aimed at so thanks for replying.

You reckon that we have struggled since 2004.
"We have constantly struggled to even get near that type of form since then".

1) That Arsenal team was one of the best football teams anyone of us has ever seen. Any manager would struggle to rebuild a squad to follow them (Ferguson had a similar problem a few years ago, and I seem to remember a few short sighted Man U fans questioning Ferguson at this stage).

2) We have reached two cup finals in that time. One of them being the European cup. We are recognised as playing the best football in the country (in this period) and have seen two of the most talented footballers of the last 20 years. Cesc and Henry.
Other than last year we havn't really had a strong title challenge since 2004 but other factors contribute to this (moving stadium, foriegn investment).
This is what I mean by 'perspective'.

In short if this isn't good enough for you and you think Wenger has failed to impress since 2004!? Go and watch the Harlem Globtrotters

Go and watch the Harlem Globetrotters? You are 12!

1. The reason he struggled to rebuild after 2004 is he broke the squad up too quickly, letting senior players go that should have been kept and letting Henry dictate the game too much on the pitch. You obviously have not watched much football if you think Ferguson's rebuilding equates with Wengers. Ferguson won the league in 2003 and then rebuilt to go on and win it again back to back (and with a European cup thrown in) in 2007 and 2008.

2. 2 finals? We fluked the 2005 FA cup - only a blinkered idiot would deny manure played us off the park that day. I will concede 2006 CL final a great moment - soured by the idiocy of a Keeper that Wenger kept faith in and a hungover left back that shouldn't have been on the pitch.

Cesc is NOT one of the greatest players of the last 20 years. That is childish hero worship. Cesc has the POTENTIAL to be one of the greatest players of the last 20 years, but that potential is so far unfulfilled. His form is erratic and he has yet to demonstrate an ability to dictate the game on a consistant basis. He may well do so - but he has not actually done so yet.

Blaming foreign investment and the stadium move is a cop out. Wenger has had an agenda since 2004 to build a team from the ground up with youth players. It is a flawed agenda. I've watched football since 1974 and I've never seen a team of inexperienced kids win anything. Ever. A team needs a balance of experienced heads.

You have missed one of the main points everyone else on here has been making. It is BECAUSE Wenger refuses to act to correct his mistakes that we are losing faith in him. I've no problem with someone fucking up. It happens. But when that someone buries their head in the sand and refuses to correct those mistakes then I'm concerned.

Post by **g88ner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:27 pm

StokeyGooner wrote:Grow up

Who are you telling to grow up??

All th posts above yours (from me, DB10, Augie, and Quartz) seem to be of the opinion that Wenger should be given time to sort Arsenal's problems... only digger suggested a definate position whereby he should be sacked (8th) and then there's Calo, who quite frankly is a nutter anyway!

So, fair comments by you... but telling people with decent opinions to grow up makes you look a prick

- oh, and your Harlem Globetrotters comment makes you look an even bigger prick

Welcome to the forum, Stokey.

woolwichgooner · Post by **woolwichgooner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:31 pm

Lol @ relagated

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At What Final League Position Would You Sack Wenger?

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