As the article says - you can use numbers to prove anything. What does this prove? That we should have spent £100mn more to achieve what ManU has done? Why not include Chelsea's figures unless they make the whole analysis look rather foolish? And they will! Everton haven't managed to get better than within 9 points of us in the period considered.
The crucial judgement for Villa or Everton is not what they can achieve over two or three seasons on a restricted budget but whether they can sustain it over a much longer period as Wenger has done. A period in which we have crucially not failed to qualify for CL football and they have.
As for the age thing you really need to look at the average age of the whole squad and not just one game but it is true that the average age of the team is increasing. No surprise there - that's an inevitable by product of the ageing process! Just means the team is maturing as was always intended and will soon be around the PL average. That wasn't the case 4 years ago when the youth policy was underway prior to building the stadium.
Wenger’s return – pound for pound - compares badly with Moye
Wenger’s return – pound for pound - compares badly with Moye
Surely for this analysis of spending over 5 years you should also indicate the finishing position for more than 3 years? Arsenals spending for the 3 years performances analysed is £301.4m enhanced by revenues from the new stadium. Everton and Villa's wage budgets in at least two of those 3 years have exceeded their revenues. Proportionally they are spending more.
The two years performances missing from the 5 year spending analysis are:
2005/2006 Everton 11th Villa 16th Arsenal 4th
2004/2005 Everton 4th Villa 10th Arsenal 2nd.
The two years performances missing from the 5 year spending analysis are:
2005/2006 Everton 11th Villa 16th Arsenal 4th
2004/2005 Everton 4th Villa 10th Arsenal 2nd.
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Re: Wenger’s return – pound for pound - compares badly with
Exactly.Amos wrote:Surely for this analysis of spending over 5 years you should also indicate the finishing position for more than 3 years? Arsenals spending for the 3 years performances analysed is £301.4m enhanced by revenues from the new stadium. Everton and Villa's wage budgets in at least two of those 3 years have exceeded their revenues. Proportionally they are spending more.
The two years performances missing from the 5 year spending analysis are:
2005/2006 Everton 11th Villa 16th Arsenal 4th
2004/2005 Everton 4th Villa 10th Arsenal 2nd.
We made it to a Champs league final and won the FA cup in the period quoted. And only just outside the 5 year period we were unbeaten champions.
This is a very poorly considered article.
Agreed, a very poor article indeed, the stats are meaningless and more massaged than government crime statistics, or maybe even the latest footage for the spuds dvd ...
Consistent CL football means Wenger has achieved significantly more than either Moyes, or o'Neill, though I would never doubt the quality of either as a manager, and would possibly offer either up as potential successors to Wenger when he retires
Consistent CL football means Wenger has achieved significantly more than either Moyes, or o'Neill, though I would never doubt the quality of either as a manager, and would possibly offer either up as potential successors to Wenger when he retires
ARTICLE SHOWS ME ALL I NEED TO KNOW ,OR DOES IT
Some of our newer so called fans are more accountants,train spotters and statto's than football men. I have to say it made me chuckle though. I won't begin to pick it apart it's too ridiculous to warrant serious comment on it. Thanks for the giggle though .surely it was a wind up bad sadly I think the man was serious ?:barscarf:Wenger is the greatest
I know I'm gonna sound like a love-struck teenager, but Wenger is amazing! He has built a winning team within a strong budget constraint. Look ahead, we have Afobe, Wellington, Zezinho, Merida, Cesc, Ramsey, Bendtner, JET, Eastmond, Deilson, Diaby, Gibbs, Walcott, etc. for the next 5 years at least. While we currntly have a fantastic squad, Wellington is the sort of player to take us over the hurdle of being the world's best. I believe because Wenger has my philosophy on life and football. I feel lucky to be a Gooner.
Below is an article by Walter Broeckx from untold arsenal which is the perfect reply to that dozy article by sandy...
14 extra points, 22 more goals, and a better defence. By Walter Broeckx.
Half way through the season and here I am back with another round in my comparison of our current season.
As before I take the same game from this season and just compare it with the corresponding game from last season. When I did this the first time after an international break some people said I was too soon to be comparing this season with the past one, but I still think it is a good thing to do this exercise a few times in a season and certainly when we are half way in the season.
One small point: for the new teams I just took the games from the teams of last season that went down. It’s not perfect but it is the best we can get in my opinion.
So for the new teams I compared them with the following fixtures : for Birmingham I took WBA, Wolverhampton replace Newcastle and Burnley replace Middlesbrough.
The observant reader will notice that there is no game included against Bolton. This to the fact that we still have to them for the first time this season.
So here we go:
Everton – Arsenal last year 1-1 draw and this year 1-6 victory.
Arsenal – Portsmouth last year 1-0 win at home and this year 4-1.
MU – Arsenal last year a 0-0 and this year 2-1 defeat.
In September first came the away game at Man City – Arsenal last year 3-0 defeat and also this year 4-2 defeat.
Last year we won the game Arsenal – Wigan 1-0 and this year 4-0. The defeat from last year in Fulham – Arsenal 1-0 was put right with this year 0-1 win.
Arsenal – Blackburn were easy wins last year 4-0 and this year 6-2.
Last year we played WBA and won 1-0 but I compare them with Birmingham this year which we won 3-1. Last year we won the away game West Ham – Arsenal 0-2 and this year was a 2-2 draw.
We had to put something right against our rivals from North London after the 4-4 result last year and so we won comfortable with 3-0.
For the game Wolverhampton -Arsenal I compared this with Newcastle where we won there 1-3 and this year 1-4. Then came the trip to Sunderland and last year 1-1 draw could not be repeated as we lost 1-0. The 1-4 defeat against Chelsea at home from last year was almost repeated but it was 0-3 this year. The low point of the season.
Last year in the game Arsenal – Stoke we won 4-1 on the last day of the season and this year 2-0. Our most remembered match from last season at Liverpool when we played 4-4 was forgotten with our 1-2 victory this season. We then went to newcomers Burnley and I compared them with Middlesbrough where we had a 1-1 draw and we did the same this year.
Then came the revenge for the 1-2 defeat against Hull and we send them home with a 3-0 in our favour.
Another game that hurt us last year was the home game Arsenal – Aston Villa which we lost 0-2 and this year we won 3-0. And finally game number 19 against Portsmouth where we won 0-3 last year and this year 1-4.
If we put all this together we got 30 points with 29 goals for and 25 against in 19 games last season.
This season we got 41 points with 51 goals for and 21 against in the corresponding games.
So we did far better in the points won and also we scored a lot of goals by doing this. In fact we scored 22 goals more than last year. Also our defence has improved and let in 4 goals less.
We have an average of 2.68 goals per game and halfway the season we have 51 goals. Not that bad at all I would say.
Last year at the end of the season we came 18 points below first place. This year in the first 19 games we have got 11 points more.
If we also keep in mind the fact that we started the season with a front three with the likes of Arshavin – Van Persie – Bendtner and that 2 of those 3 are out almost since the end of October and are still out these numbers are even more impressive.
And then add the fact that we did lost some points because we lost those 2 players and had to adapt our personnel and our system a bit.
I think these numbers are also stunning especially if you think of the many injuries we suffered during the season so far.
Walter Broeckx
14 extra points, 22 more goals, and a better defence. By Walter Broeckx.
Half way through the season and here I am back with another round in my comparison of our current season.
As before I take the same game from this season and just compare it with the corresponding game from last season. When I did this the first time after an international break some people said I was too soon to be comparing this season with the past one, but I still think it is a good thing to do this exercise a few times in a season and certainly when we are half way in the season.
One small point: for the new teams I just took the games from the teams of last season that went down. It’s not perfect but it is the best we can get in my opinion.
So for the new teams I compared them with the following fixtures : for Birmingham I took WBA, Wolverhampton replace Newcastle and Burnley replace Middlesbrough.
The observant reader will notice that there is no game included against Bolton. This to the fact that we still have to them for the first time this season.
So here we go:
Everton – Arsenal last year 1-1 draw and this year 1-6 victory.
Arsenal – Portsmouth last year 1-0 win at home and this year 4-1.
MU – Arsenal last year a 0-0 and this year 2-1 defeat.
In September first came the away game at Man City – Arsenal last year 3-0 defeat and also this year 4-2 defeat.
Last year we won the game Arsenal – Wigan 1-0 and this year 4-0. The defeat from last year in Fulham – Arsenal 1-0 was put right with this year 0-1 win.
Arsenal – Blackburn were easy wins last year 4-0 and this year 6-2.
Last year we played WBA and won 1-0 but I compare them with Birmingham this year which we won 3-1. Last year we won the away game West Ham – Arsenal 0-2 and this year was a 2-2 draw.
We had to put something right against our rivals from North London after the 4-4 result last year and so we won comfortable with 3-0.
For the game Wolverhampton -Arsenal I compared this with Newcastle where we won there 1-3 and this year 1-4. Then came the trip to Sunderland and last year 1-1 draw could not be repeated as we lost 1-0. The 1-4 defeat against Chelsea at home from last year was almost repeated but it was 0-3 this year. The low point of the season.
Last year in the game Arsenal – Stoke we won 4-1 on the last day of the season and this year 2-0. Our most remembered match from last season at Liverpool when we played 4-4 was forgotten with our 1-2 victory this season. We then went to newcomers Burnley and I compared them with Middlesbrough where we had a 1-1 draw and we did the same this year.
Then came the revenge for the 1-2 defeat against Hull and we send them home with a 3-0 in our favour.
Another game that hurt us last year was the home game Arsenal – Aston Villa which we lost 0-2 and this year we won 3-0. And finally game number 19 against Portsmouth where we won 0-3 last year and this year 1-4.
If we put all this together we got 30 points with 29 goals for and 25 against in 19 games last season.
This season we got 41 points with 51 goals for and 21 against in the corresponding games.
So we did far better in the points won and also we scored a lot of goals by doing this. In fact we scored 22 goals more than last year. Also our defence has improved and let in 4 goals less.
We have an average of 2.68 goals per game and halfway the season we have 51 goals. Not that bad at all I would say.
Last year at the end of the season we came 18 points below first place. This year in the first 19 games we have got 11 points more.
If we also keep in mind the fact that we started the season with a front three with the likes of Arshavin – Van Persie – Bendtner and that 2 of those 3 are out almost since the end of October and are still out these numbers are even more impressive.
And then add the fact that we did lost some points because we lost those 2 players and had to adapt our personnel and our system a bit.
I think these numbers are also stunning especially if you think of the many injuries we suffered during the season so far.
Walter Broeckx
