Well seeing that the word Scouser only refers to the dietry habits of someone from Liverpool and there not being any pseudo-scientific theories to define people with Ginger hair as being an inferior subspecies by a powerful modern European regime in the last century and half neither comparison is appropriate.guess you have never called someone a scouser, a paddy. gingernut or any kind of name that anyone person could find offensive!
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Cus Geezer
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It is simply another word for Jew!
Do we find the word Jew offensive.......no, or at least I do not as well as all other half intelligent people do not!
If however Arsenal fans did for some reasons started to sing prpoer anti-semetic songs again....yes I have been there in the days of "One man went to gas..." I would be right with you as that is a disgrace!
This is simple mickey taking...ever called Ashley Cole a poof? It is the same thing! Ok to a very tiny minority it may be offensive but the tolerant happy go lucky majority of us take it in the context it is meant! It wouldn't matter if they was called The BeeGees, The Pringles or The Vauxhall Vectra's we would still chant at them in the same context....two rivals having banter!
I do not hate Jews, I hate Tottenham! The fact they have adopted that as a nickname for themselves is not my problem or Arsenals!
Like I said if you think there is a problem that needs to be cured I suggest you petition THFC and go on the Spud forums and tell them to stop calling themselves ****!
Do we find the word Jew offensive.......no, or at least I do not as well as all other half intelligent people do not!
If however Arsenal fans did for some reasons started to sing prpoer anti-semetic songs again....yes I have been there in the days of "One man went to gas..." I would be right with you as that is a disgrace!
This is simple mickey taking...ever called Ashley Cole a poof? It is the same thing! Ok to a very tiny minority it may be offensive but the tolerant happy go lucky majority of us take it in the context it is meant! It wouldn't matter if they was called The BeeGees, The Pringles or The Vauxhall Vectra's we would still chant at them in the same context....two rivals having banter!
I do not hate Jews, I hate Tottenham! The fact they have adopted that as a nickname for themselves is not my problem or Arsenals!
Like I said if you think there is a problem that needs to be cured I suggest you petition THFC and go on the Spud forums and tell them to stop calling themselves ****!
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Cus Geezer
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The fact that people use that term when referring to Tottenham is Arsenal's problem as they have someone threatening to sue them if it persists unchallenged. By stating your dislike of someone trying to sue Arsenal for people's usage of that word, you are claiming that you have a problem with it.I do not hate Jews, I hate Tottenham! The fact they have adopted that as a nickname for themselves is not my problem or Arsenals!
And as for Tottenham's recognition of the '****' phrase - well....
http://****-army.co.uk/2007/03/07/spurs- ... -****-army/
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You can't designate what people do or don't find offensive, if they find the term "****" offensive thats their right. My problem or should I say problems with this whole incident is
1. They are season ticket holders so I assume they are football fans, if so, they are lying if they say they have never heard Spuds being called ****.
2. Are they planning to go to every ground Spuds play at and sue those clubs when there are **** chants?
3. If they were true Gooners (and I have my doubts) they would NEVER sue the club they love for a chant heard in the crowd.
4. Why don't they sue the FA? The fact is "****" is used any time Spuds play, so you can't single out one team
The fact is this smells of a money grab, I'd not be surprised if they expected Arsenal to settle out of court and forget all about it.
1. They are season ticket holders so I assume they are football fans, if so, they are lying if they say they have never heard Spuds being called ****.
2. Are they planning to go to every ground Spuds play at and sue those clubs when there are **** chants?
3. If they were true Gooners (and I have my doubts) they would NEVER sue the club they love for a chant heard in the crowd.
4. Why don't they sue the FA? The fact is "****" is used any time Spuds play, so you can't single out one team
The fact is this smells of a money grab, I'd not be surprised if they expected Arsenal to settle out of court and forget all about it.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/****gus ceasar is a legend wrote:It is simply another word for Jew!
Do we find the word Jew offensive.......no, or at least I do not as well as all other half intelligent people do not!
five results for the word '****' - all make reference to the derogatory nature of its use toward a Jew, none defining it as merely another word for a Jew.
I mean this is particularly laughable. You could find the above scenerios confusing if you happen to be a person who is easily confused.Let's be clear though that we are living in a very mixed up society....Niggers with Attitude is fine but if I call a black man nigger I am racist! Being a Paki is fine if you are a cricket commentator saying that the Paki's are fielding well but if I say he is a Paki I am a bigot! Now if a whole group of people call themselves **** proudly that is fine but if I call them **** then that is a racist slur
You mention Gangsta Rappers calling themselves 'niggers', these are hardly people who are the slightest bit bothered about projecting a positive image for their race - they are more interested in selling the lives of black Americans as some ludicrous porn fantasy of sex and violence for their own gain.
So what if a bonehead like Snoop Dog or 50 Cent is happy to refer to black people as niggers - other more articulate black people like Chuck D, Stevie Wonder, Bob Marley, Muhammed Ali, Spike Lee, Martin Luther King, Sidney Poitier, James Brown would never in a million years be happy to refer to themselves as niggers. My attitude is that when Nelson Mandela turns around says that he is happy for people to refer to him as a nigger then I'll accept that it is correct for any non-blacks to call a black person a nigger.
The only conclusion that can be gained from this is that some turkeys are so thick they would vote for christmas if they were under the illusion that there was something to be gained out of it.
You keep referring to the fact Spurs fans call themselves ****, for the upteenth time - THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THEM ARE NOT JEWISH. For fuck sake - would you judge whether it is ok to use the word nigger by asking as many black and white minstrels as you can if it is so, regardless of what many black people think? [/quote]
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OH FOR FUCK SAKE HOW MANY TIMES?4. Why don't they sue the FA? The fact is "****" is used any time Spuds play, so you can't single out one team
They cannot sue Spurs or the FA, they are not on Spurs or the FA's property, they are not buying a service provided by Spurs or the FA, Spurs and the FA have no legal duty of care towards these people with regard to racist chanting - THAT IS WHY THEY ARE THREATING TO SUE ARSENAL FC BECAUSE THEY DO!
No but with a bit of education and a bit of common sense you can have a fucking good guess.You can't designate what people do or don't find offensive
For fcuks sake cus can you give this a rest 
You have made your point a million times over and this constant quoting is doing my head in. I think I can say from most Arsenal fans point of view the onus on the banning of the **** word lies 100% with spurts - if they stop their fans using it then we will in also abolish it from our lists of songs & chants. I said before that you have made some valid points on this thread but you cannot have one rule for one set of fans and a different set of rules for ours and to go after our fans & club through the courts is not the correct 1st step to take - tackle the sperz fans 1st and if we then do not relent from using that phrase then throw the book at us. But by your constant harping on about this matter all you are doing is pissing off a lot of decent fans and tagging us as racists and we aint having that
You have made your point a million times over and this constant quoting is doing my head in. I think I can say from most Arsenal fans point of view the onus on the banning of the **** word lies 100% with spurts - if they stop their fans using it then we will in also abolish it from our lists of songs & chants. I said before that you have made some valid points on this thread but you cannot have one rule for one set of fans and a different set of rules for ours and to go after our fans & club through the courts is not the correct 1st step to take - tackle the sperz fans 1st and if we then do not relent from using that phrase then throw the book at us. But by your constant harping on about this matter all you are doing is pissing off a lot of decent fans and tagging us as racists and we aint having that
James Brown and Spike Lee...articulate?! Are you having a laugh? Spike Lee DOES use the word and I'm not entirely sure that James Brown could actually talk (see 'Eddie Murphy - Raw').Cus Geezer wrote:more articulate black people...Spike Lee...and James Brown would never in a million years be happy to refer to themselves as niggers.
Anyhoo, this is amazingly off topic. Apart from your list of articulate black men, I still agree with you, Cus. However, I think we might need to cool out a little. We're all Gooners here and none of us are racist. We're all entitled to our opinions.
Maybe it's time to knock this one on the head. We've all said our piece. There's no point trying to force your opinions on others if they disagree.
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ARRRRRRGHHHHHH! FOR FUCK SAKE!I think I can say from most Arsenal fans point of view the onus on the banning of the **** word lies 100% with spurts - if they stop their fans using it then we will in also abolish it from our lists of songs & chants.
In a court case between these people and Arsenal FC, Spurs and the behaviour of Spurs fans has no relevance whatsoever.
Take it from someone who works in a court this following scenerio aint gonna happen
Judge: um yes....I see the claimant is owed a duty of care by the defendant in this regard, the defendant has breached this duty of care by failing to stop these chants when it was within their power to. Harm has been suffered by the claimant in having to hear a constant stream of abuse toward his own ethnic group but....um no you've gotta blame Spurs.....oh and modern culture.....and the FA......and you Jews bring it on yourself because some of you are Spurs fans and huddle amongst those who use it.
Can you explain why i should not refer to the following as
scottish - sweaty
Irish - Paddy
welsh - taffy
Spurs supporter - ****
as i come from Norfolk i guess some people would refer to me as a farmer or sheep shagger but i wouldn't go running to my solicitor.
The whole PC stuff is pathetic , if you want to complain go and join that pathetic woman at Liberty.
So much for freedom of speech , if the chant is regarded as racist it must be strange coming from supporters who have a team that in recent years as fielded a team of black players and players from countries as diverse as Cameroon and Ivory Coast , let alone a Japanese (remember) and a ginger (legend Ray !!!)
scottish - sweaty
Irish - Paddy
welsh - taffy
Spurs supporter - ****
as i come from Norfolk i guess some people would refer to me as a farmer or sheep shagger but i wouldn't go running to my solicitor.
The whole PC stuff is pathetic , if you want to complain go and join that pathetic woman at Liberty.
So much for freedom of speech , if the chant is regarded as racist it must be strange coming from supporters who have a team that in recent years as fielded a team of black players and players from countries as diverse as Cameroon and Ivory Coast , let alone a Japanese (remember) and a ginger (legend Ray !!!)
As with most things in life, it's a matter of opinion. If you're of a group of people (be it religious group, ethnic group or whatever) and you're cool with someone standing up and singing a song about "****" or the equivalent, then more power to you. However, as far as I can see, the point is; if a member of said group does take issue with it, then that is their right and you cannot tell them not to. This brings me to your post, Shu. You can feel free to call members of those groups you mentioned whatever you like as long as they take it in good humour. However, if they're likely to get offended by it, then not only can you not use the words you mentioned, but they do not have to justify themselves, and quite right too.
Also, I would really encourage people to not think of this as political correctness gone mad. Banning the phrase 'white Christmas' or banning a St. George's cross from the Grove is. However, a member of a certain group who feels they are being verbally insulted and wants to complain is not. It is their right to complain and it would be pretty ignorant of us to try and take that away from them. Do you not agree?
As I've said throughout this thread; I think suing the Club is a bit excessive, but I'm sure they have their reasons. Is it a publicity stunt, or are they genuinely aggrieved? Who can say. I certainly can't, so this is all just guesswork. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is the course of action they are taking because they felt that no other course would get results.
Anyway, I don't think they're actually going to sue the Club, I think it's more the threat of legal action unless the Club gets their act in order. Now, again, suing the Club is a bit extreme, but if the whole point of this is that a group of people were getting offended by what they saw as racist language and therefore, wanted to stop it being used, then I say fair play to them. However, if they're just after a quick buck, then they're just a bunch of idiots who have seen one too many Claims Direct adverts.
See where I'm coming from, lads?
Also, I would really encourage people to not think of this as political correctness gone mad. Banning the phrase 'white Christmas' or banning a St. George's cross from the Grove is. However, a member of a certain group who feels they are being verbally insulted and wants to complain is not. It is their right to complain and it would be pretty ignorant of us to try and take that away from them. Do you not agree?
As I've said throughout this thread; I think suing the Club is a bit excessive, but I'm sure they have their reasons. Is it a publicity stunt, or are they genuinely aggrieved? Who can say. I certainly can't, so this is all just guesswork. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is the course of action they are taking because they felt that no other course would get results.
Anyway, I don't think they're actually going to sue the Club, I think it's more the threat of legal action unless the Club gets their act in order. Now, again, suing the Club is a bit extreme, but if the whole point of this is that a group of people were getting offended by what they saw as racist language and therefore, wanted to stop it being used, then I say fair play to them. However, if they're just after a quick buck, then they're just a bunch of idiots who have seen one too many Claims Direct adverts.
See where I'm coming from, lads?
Rebel, I'm surprised in you. You've always come across as quite diplomatic. Can you really not see what I'm saying at all? I'm not going around insulting people on this site, or saying that suing the Club is right; all I'm saying is that if a group of people who belong to a specific religious or ethnic group take offence to something being said (in this case, the usage of a word that definitely has derogatory connotations), then they have a right to complain about it.
Do you seriously disagree with that or were you joking?
Do you seriously disagree with that or were you joking?
