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SAFC, we are that one keeper short now but that problem has existed for 3 fcuking seasons now without wenger fixing it and personally I am as angry and frustrated at the club as I ever have been I am fed up reading excuses for the man (wenger), fed up with those saying that he is still the best man for the job and fed up with the board rewarding his ineptitude with a long bumper contract when both wenger and the board should just get the fcuk out of our club and stay out
safcftm wrote:Wenger has made baffling decisions, and obviously the most baffling is the keeper- he didnt need to spend massive money, £6m would get a good enough goal keeper, so it is strange that an obvious weak spot hasnt been dealt with and it is a mistake that, imo, will end up costing you any chance of the title. The fact is though, he probably is only that one player off having a genuine chance of winning the title and, whilst it will be frustrating that this seems to have been the case for ages never being addressed.....
You've hit the nail on the head there. Maybe we should be grateful/pleased that we're perceived as being only one player away from winning the league. However that is the frustration. A couple of years ago we were a striker short of winning the league - and we let Anelka go to Chelsea when the obvious thing to do was for us to buy him.
And now we are "only" a goalkeeper short of a title winning side! How frustrating then that we've all known this for god knows how long and yet we're all still saying it.....
Thats easy to say one player away from winning the title.I dont believe it.Both Full backs have gone backwards in the last two seasons.Yes we have Gibbs to cover for Clichy but Eboue at RB dont make me laugh.Upfront if Chamakh gets injured we are relying on a player who only plays well when we are 5-0 up
Only One Tony Adams wrote:
Showing your age there mate................
Would you be surprised if I said that this song was released 12 years before I was even born?
Also, nice to see that when someone else talks about the board, they dont get jumped on as if they were some burning terrorist.
Are you US Martin in disguise?
No but I think he gets alot of undeserved criticism. I wont go into it at the moment because I dont have the time but I agree with alot of what he says, even if it is a bit long winded at times.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I think though he does himself no favours by turning 80% of his posts into rants about the B***d. Some of what he says is pretty interesting and probably accurate but it can tend to get lost/skipped over by casual readers because of length (oo-er missus) and/or repetition. A shame really.
Agreed. Alot of what he says is repitition and I suppose thats half the reason why people get irritated but as you've said, he speaks a lot of sense but does it in a way that is sometimes too long to even attempt to read.
safcftm wrote:Wenger has made baffling decisions, and obviously the most baffling is the keeper- he didnt need to spend massive money, £6m would get a good enough goal keeper, so it is strange that an obvious weak spot hasnt been dealt with and it is a mistake that, imo, will end up costing you any chance of the title. The fact is though, he probably is only that one player off having a genuine chance of winning the title and, whilst it will be frustrating that this seems to have been the case for ages never being addressed.....
You've hit the nail on the head there. Maybe we should be grateful/pleased that we're perceived as being only one player away from winning the league. However that is the frustration. A couple of years ago we were a striker short of winning the league - and we let Anelka go to Chelsea when the obvious thing to do was for us to buy him.
And now we are "only" a goalkeeper short of a title winning side! How frustrating then that we've all known this for god knows how long and yet we're all still saying it.....
Thats easy to say one player away from winning the title.I dont believe it.Both Full backs have gone backwards in the last two seasons.Yes we have Gibbs to cover for Clichy but Eboue at RB dont make me laugh.Upfront if Chamakh gets injured we are relying on a player who only plays well when we are 5-0 up
I'd say Sagna has started the season well but imo Gibbs should start ahead of Clichy
donaldo wrote: The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it
donaldo wrote: The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it
The only thing I'd add here onto waht Donaldo said is that is raises the very real question of just what we should expect from the next manager.
My belief is that unless the Board have completed whatever it is they are attempting to do - and sitting on 100-150 million pounds of cash for - that they will not sign a proven top manager as
A) Such a manager will demand the Board walk the walk and not simply talk the talk about what they are willing to do for the manager
B) The supporters will immediately expect the same from a new manager especially a proven top manager
So my own guess at best we could sign one these - Steve Bruce, David Moyes, and if you want to try and pull a Wenger - Gianfranco Zola or Paul LeGuen - none of whom have won anything to speak of for quite some time - and that would apply I believe only to Mr. LeGuen
Otherwise I think we would belooking inside - maybe Steve Bould or Martin Keown, or maybe Liam Brady. Or Maybe Mr. Arsenal, Tony Adams who at least has managed in the Premiership and at the senior-team level.
But the idea that as I have seen us breathlessly discuss Guardiola, or VanGaal, or (before he signed) at Real Mourinho would come to Arsenal to compete under the same conditions as Mr. Wenger has since 2005 is pure fantasy. If he hadn't gone to Villa maybe we could have gotten Houllier but I'm not even fully certain of that.
To dispute this supposes that indeed the Board are desperate to see us invest more in the team to get back to where we were before 2005. But if that were the case and the manager were refusing to do it, why re-sign Mr. Wenger - again?
donaldo wrote: The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it
Absolutely spot-on
Good post
USMartin wrote:The only thing I'd add here onto waht Donaldo said is that is raises the very real question of just what we should expect from the next manager.
My belief is that unless the Board have completed whatever it is they are attempting to do - and sitting on 100-150 million pounds of cash for - that they will not sign a proven top manager as
A) Such a manager will demand the Board walk the walk and not simply talk the talk about what they are willing to do for the manager
B) The supporters will immediately expect the same from a new manager especially a proven top manager
So my own guess at best we could sign one these - Steve Bruce, David Moyes, and if you want to try and pull a Wenger - Gianfranco Zola or Paul LeGuen - none of whom have won anything to speak of for quite some time - and that would apply I believe only to Mr. LeGuen
Otherwise I think we would belooking inside - maybe Steve Bould or Martin Keown, or maybe Liam Brady. Or Maybe Mr. Arsenal, Tony Adams who at least has managed in the Premiership and at the senior-team level.
But the idea that as I have seen us breathlessly discuss Guardiola, or VanGaal, or (before he signed) at Real Mourinho would come to Arsenal to compete under the same conditions as Mr. Wenger has since 2005 is pure fantasy. If he hadn't gone to Villa maybe we could have gotten Houllier but I'm not even fully certain of that.
To dispute this supposes that indeed the Board are desperate to see us invest more in the team to get back to where we were before 2005. But if that were the case and the manager were refusing to do it, why re-sign Mr. Wenger - again?
donaldo wrote: The big problem is Wenger has it too easy he is under no pressure to deliver trophies.The board require a top 4 finish thats all.Thats why Wenger turned down the Madrid job.They demand success and Wenger would not have lasted a season there..Wenger goes 5 seasons without a trophy and he is rewarded with a 20% increase and a £6m pound a year contract.This board will never sack him and Wenger knows it
Absolutely spot-on
Good post
USMartin wrote:The only thing I'd add here onto waht Donaldo said is that is raises the very real question of just what we should expect from the next manager.
My belief is that unless the Board have completed whatever it is they are attempting to do - and sitting on 100-150 million pounds of cash for - that they will not sign a proven top manager as
A) Such a manager will demand the Board walk the walk and not simply talk the talk about what they are willing to do for the manager
B) The supporters will immediately expect the same from a new manager especially a proven top manager
So my own guess at best we could sign one these - Steve Bruce, David Moyes, and if you want to try and pull a Wenger - Gianfranco Zola or Paul LeGuen - none of whom have won anything to speak of for quite some time - and that would apply I believe only to Mr. LeGuen
Otherwise I think we would belooking inside - maybe Steve Bould or Martin Keown, or maybe Liam Brady. Or Maybe Mr. Arsenal, Tony Adams who at least has managed in the Premiership and at the senior-team level.
But the idea that as I have seen us breathlessly discuss Guardiola, or VanGaal, or (before he signed) at Real Mourinho would come to Arsenal to compete under the same conditions as Mr. Wenger has since 2005 is pure fantasy. If he hadn't gone to Villa maybe we could have gotten Houllier but I'm not even fully certain of that.
To dispute this supposes that indeed the Board are desperate to see us invest more in the team to get back to where we were before 2005. But if that were the case and the manager were refusing to do it, why re-sign Mr. Wenger - again?
Then you went and ruined it
I'm sorry not everything can be addressed in one sentence or that' it's not my nature to just say they're *word censored* I wish they all would fuck off.
But if that is the excuse some choose to use tom ignore these they are still choosing to ignore them and it's their own fault.
Sorry that wasn't necessarily directed at you that last bit but really I'm tired of people using me as some excuse to cover their own unwillingness to speak up for waht's best for the club.
USMartin wrote:I'm tired of people using me as some excuse to cover their own unwillingness to speak up for what's best for the club.
You mean unwillingness to agree with you!
Actually no( though it wouldn't hurt ) - as I say we don't know for sure what is going on or why. It could be exactly what the Board would have us believe or it could be excatly what I believe or most likely something between those two extremes. I believe we need to speak up for the sake of the club simply so we know what it is and then whether the club is moving in the right direction or not.
All this speculaltion - no matter how solidly built the foundation for it may be - is pointless on its own, and helps nothing. As Augie said better whatever we think we all want what is best for Arsenal on and off the pitch, and we ought to know whther the people trusted to seek that for Arsenal on our behalf are in fact seeking that here and now.
I am fed up reading excuses for the man (wenger), fed up with those saying that he is still the best man for the job and fed up with the board rewarding his ineptitude with a long bumper contract when both wenger and the board should just get the fcuk out of our club and stay out 
