As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Gunnerz4life wrote:A lot of manure fans will tell you Wes Brown is useless and mistake prone, yet he features in red nose's squad season in season out. And lets not even say anything like thats not our problem because thats reality. No team has a world class player as a third choice centre back. Senderos is as good as any in that role.
Nobody is saying world class Gunnerz4life........we are saying Arsenal class!
As for you weird logic that you freely admit he is third choice but are happy to see him play infront of either of the first and second choice then I give you this based on the same logic.........
Would you have been happy seeing Colin Pates play ahead of an available and fit Tony Adams?
Nope thought not!
Would Arsenal won as many trophies without the help of bit part players like Christopher Wreh, Giles Grimaldi,Nelson Vivas, Stephen Hughes and even Phillip Senderos!!
Gunnerz4life wrote:A lot of manure fans will tell you Wes Brown is useless and mistake prone, yet he features in red nose's squad season in season out. And lets not even say anything like thats not our problem because thats reality. No team has a world class player as a third choice centre back. Senderos is as good as any in that role.
Nobody is saying world class Gunnerz4life........we are saying Arsenal class!
As for you weird logic that you freely admit he is third choice but are happy to see him play infront of either of the first and second choice then I give you this based on the same logic.........
Would you have been happy seeing Colin Pates play ahead of an available and fit Tony Adams?
Nope thought not!
Tony had Martin Keown didnt he?
And the problem is you guys make him sound like absolute garbage when he is not. And what exactly is Arsenal class? This is what i meant by fans being spoiled. Is Wes Brown manure class?
Sorry mate but Hillier and Selley were truly garbage even by big phils standard and that was from an era long before we had world cup winners playing for us
flash gunner wrote:Sorry mate but Hillier and Selley were truly garbage even by big phils standard and that was from an era long before we had world cup winners playing for us
exactly my point!!!! people have forgotten the crap we had in the 90s
please read the above thread to fully understand
Gunnerz4life wrote:The truth is we are as likely to conceede with Gallas and Toure playing as a partnership as we are with having Senderos partnering one of them.
You really think that? So by that logic, you'd happily have Big Phil in the starting line up and have either Gallas or Kolo as third choice, right?
I am definitely for giving Big Phil more starts yes. The problem is Gallas and Toure as individual players are world class and its impossible for Arsene to play Phil ahead of either of them if they are fit. But Gallas and Toure as a partnership just doesnt work for me and we have let in quite a few goals when they have played together. Id like Arsene to stick with Senderos even when Kolo comes back from the AFC, specially if he keeps being solid. Even Kolo doesnt expect to be walking back into the side.
Stop it now this is beyond a joke.Keep Swiss Cygan in the team when King Kolo comes back!!!!! Have you forgot to take your medication?
As for Gallas and Toure being a partnership that doesn"t work take a fcuking look at the league table.
Make your mind up. There are people on here making comparisons with him and Tony Adams, and there are some saying he is a decent bit-part player and there are some saying that he should be first choice!
My point is simple; I do not think Phillipe Senderos is a very good footballer. He is accident prone and makes me very nervous whenever he plays. He is caught out time and time against by passes over his head, and as one poster rightly pointed out earlier on, he turns slower than milk! Now, what is wrong with me having that opinion? Am I somehow denying his good performances? Is it a personal attack on him? No. But I know what I see when I go to Arsenal and I feel much more comfortable when he is not on the pitch, to when he is on it.
Gunnerz4life wrote:The truth is we are as likely to conceede with Gallas and Toure playing as a partnership as we are with having Senderos partnering one of them.
You really think that? So by that logic, you'd happily have Big Phil in the starting line up and have either Gallas or Kolo as third choice, right?
I am definitely for giving Big Phil more starts yes. The problem is Gallas and Toure as individual players are world class and its impossible for Arsene to play Phil ahead of either of them if they are fit. But Gallas and Toure as a partnership just doesnt work for me and we have let in quite a few goals when they have played together. Id like Arsene to stick with Senderos even when Kolo comes back from the AFC, specially if he keeps being solid. Even Kolo doesnt expect to be walking back into the side.
Stop it now this is beyond a joke.Keep Swiss Cygan in the team when King Kolo comes back!!!!! Have you forgot to take your medication?
As for Gallas and Toure being a partnership that doesn"t work take a fcuking look at the league table.
I don't know why I even bother posting when we've got donaldo who puts it as simply as that
Smoothy maybe i misunderstood that point but i think understand the rest throughout this thread. My thoughts are Phil is too prone to errors, scares the shit out of me when he plays and i will be much happier when Mr Toure comes back. I do understand some of the comments from you also it is hard to have 3 world class players going for 2 spaces in the team and if Phil continues to play well when injuries or ANC's are on then ill be happy with that.
but there is no way he can be compared to Tony Adams or we can say we wouldnt have conceded 5 against that pile of shite up the road
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flash gunner wrote:Sorry mate but Hillier and Selley were truly garbage even by big phils standard and that was from an era long before we had world cup winners playing for us
exactly my point!!!! people have forgotten the crap we had in the 90s
please read the above thread to fully understand
Please do not get pedantic Smooth as your arguement is weak and has also resorted to childish specualtion!
Also comparing the current team, squad and club as a whole with anything to do with Hillier and Selley is nonsensical!
Gunnerz4life yes thank you for backing my point up!
Yes there was Tony Adams. Martin Keown and Steve Bould! Three great centre halves in heir own right!
Not once when any of those three took the field did I worry myself shitless when the next mistake was going to be made! I also do not remember a centre forward either who held the voodoo sign over them in the same way Drogba has over Phil!
Gunnerz4life wrote: But Gallas and Toure as a partnership just doesnt work for me and we have let in quite a few goals when they have played together.
this aint to bad a thought, if you look at the two players gallas an toure have partnered in there previous partnerships Terry and Campbell (with whom the undoubtably made their names in football), they are both very much ball winning centre halfs, gallas and toure like to get the ball and play with it like ferdinand. they are both the same player, ball playing centre backs. perhaps giving phil a run with one of them may not seem the best 2 possible players playing but possible the best partnership!!
a comparison to this could be heskey and owen i, certainly am no fan of either of them but heskey (certainly not world class, much like phil) certainly makes owen look twice the player and the partner ship is better than when a supossedly world class rooney play with owen
flash gunner wrote:Sorry mate but Hillier and Selley were truly garbage even by big phils standard and that was from an era long before we had world cup winners playing for us
exactly my point!!!! people have forgotten the crap we had in the 90s
please read the above thread to fully understand
Please do not get pedantic Smooth as your arguement is weak and has also resorted to childish specualtion!
Also comparing the current team, squad and club as a whole with anything to do with Hillier and Selley is nonsensical!
Gunnerz4life yes thank you for backing my point up!
Yes there was Tony Adams. Martin Keown and Steve Bould! Three great centre halves in heir own right!
Not once when any of those three took the field did I worry myself shitless when the next mistake was going to be made! I also do not remember a centre forward either who held the voodoo sign over them in the same way Drogba has over Phil!
who are you to call me childish??????
your the guy who laughs when see's a pair of boobs!
just because I dont want to SLAG of one of mine own all of a sudden im childish,
Yet Someone who draws a red nose and clown wig on senderos is the peak of maturity please grow up learn to accept people wont always except your view get used it
flash gunner wrote:Sorry mate but Hillier and Selley were truly garbage even by big phils standard and that was from an era long before we had world cup winners playing for us
exactly my point!!!! people have forgotten the crap we had in the 90s
please read the above thread to fully understand
Please do not get pedantic Smooth as your arguement is weak and has also resorted to childish specualtion!
Also comparing the current team, squad and club as a whole with anything to do with Hillier and Selley is nonsensical!
Gunnerz4life yes thank you for backing my point up!
Yes there was Tony Adams. Martin Keown and Steve Bould! Three great centre halves in heir own right!
Not once when any of those three took the field did I worry myself shitless when the next mistake was going to be made! I also do not remember a centre forward either who held the voodoo sign over them in the same way Drogba has over Phil!
Im afraid the manager will not pick a team based on which players scares the shit out of the fans. My point was, TA had an excellent partner in Keown and they were successfull as a PARTNERSHIP, as good as any really. So there wasnt any reason to play anyone else ahead of either one of them. The same couldnt be said about Gallas and Toure as a PARTNERSHIP. Both of them prefer playing as a sweeper behind a big centreback who attacks the ball. Toure had one such player in Sol, Gallas had one such player in Terry.
Gunnerz4life wrote:The truth is we are as likely to conceede with Gallas and Toure playing as a partnership as we are with having Senderos partnering one of them.
You really think that? So by that logic, you'd happily have Big Phil in the starting line up and have either Gallas or Kolo as third choice, right?
I am definitely for giving Big Phil more starts yes. The problem is Gallas and Toure as individual players are world class and its impossible for Arsene to play Phil ahead of either of them if they are fit. But Gallas and Toure as a partnership just doesnt work for me and we have let in quite a few goals when they have played together. Id like Arsene to stick with Senderos even when Kolo comes back from the AFC, specially if he keeps being solid. Even Kolo doesnt expect to be walking back into the side.
Stop it now this is beyond a joke.Keep Swiss Cygan in the team when King Kolo comes back!!!!! Have you forgot to take your medication?
As for Gallas and Toure being a partnership that doesn"t work take a fcuking look at the league table.
Fucking look at the number of clean sheets we kept compared to manure.
