Manure FA cup footy thread

[Mogz79]

Really down again after tonight. I hoped that after Barca thery wanted to prove a point and battle for the win. Although to be fair their keeper kept them in it quite a few times. Was really hoping Ramsey would start today but instead we get Diaby - who was shit and kept trying little back heels that seemed to do nothing - well one led to a good chance and Denilson who again made a couple of ok clearances but these 2 aren't good enough.

The debt is meant to be going down so maybe it's time to invest in 2 or 3 proven players and raise £ by selling the usual poor players (we know who they are) and give 2 or 3 youngsters the chance instead of keeping them on loan

[LeoGooner]

A lot of you want to start supporting the team instead of sitting there making your snide little comments about the team / Wenger. We're going through a bad run, it happens, its happened before and it will happen again. Sitting there calling Wenger and certain players c**ts is pathetic.

so what should we call them? heroes? or Wenger the God? or Wenger knows best?

...and this is the problem. You don't need to make these kind of overblown judgements. Tonight they lost a game which by and large they played well in. These things happen, and will always happen as long as you follow football. You don't need to sit there and make out Wenger must go - if that was the case he would have been gone long ago. We are not perfect, we aren't a Barcelona type team that beats every team they face, and the sooner you be more realistic with you expectations with Arsenal you might just see these things with a more balanced view. Until you can point out a more (realistic) alternative to the way things are currently done at Arsenal you need to just be grateful for the good times and take the bad times in your stride.

Its been a shit 2 weeks, but we've been there before and we can be there again and maybe next time we will do better. But don't make out like this team is a disgrace - we've got so much going for us we can't just give up every time we face a difficult period.

I'm gutted we lost today, we deserved more. We played well, but it wasn't happening for us today, and I'm more worried about the injury to Djourou than the result.

got so much going? we deserved more? you are really deluded just like Wenger. How long has this shit been going? no it's not just 2 weeks. It's YEARS man. Wake up and smell the flowers. And there is a realistic way to end all these and that is by getting a new manager

Deluded?

We've moved to a new stadium that we've been able to financially manage better than any other premiership team. We've got a decent scouting network and some very promising youngsters for the future.

For now though, we're 2nd in the league, got some truly quality players that play the kind of football that makes us stand-out not only in the Premiership but throughout Europe. We've had a decent season that no-one would have realistically predicted. Yeah, this season has been a real disaster.....be realistic with your expectations and you won't be disappointed and come here talking nonsense.

My expectations were set by the Board and by Wenger, who told us that by leaving Highbury we would be able to compete for the best players and pay top wages . I haven't heard wenger or the Board come out and say "actually guys, the expectation you should have is that we'll fall apart in March every season but relax, we'll still finish top 4"

[marcengels]

Looks like this thread is really the same old, same old shit.

All I will say is again...If you fail to learn from history, you will repeat the same mistakes.

At the end of the season, call it a day Arsene, eh?

[Bradywasking]

How fucking frustrating was that ??? Watching Arsenal unable to break down the worst United line up in years..Defence was ok (including Almunia) Gibbs was terrible for second goal..but was ok going forward. Jack was Jack and we are lucky to have him..Nasri was decent, RVP was ok. The usual suspects were awful..But the fault is with the manager, not the players themselves.I would play if picked and would love the money that goes with it. But I'm 47 and useless. Diaby, Denilson, Bendtnar ,Rosicky etc are useless but they don't pick themselves.
On a different issue we can't blame the ref today..but his failure to send off Paul Scholes is an issue that may have further implications. The Utd second goal was scored by a player that should have been serving a three game ban, Scholes should have gone today..Fergie's rant after the Chelsea game has worked..and that is bad for the run in.

[Dan_85]

My expectations were set by the Board and by Wenger, who told us that by leaving Highbury we would be able to compete for the best players and pay top wages . I haven't heard wenger or the Board come out and say "actually guys, the expectation you should have is that we'll fall apart in March every season but relax, we'll still finish top 4"

This.

[Henry Norris 1913]

My expectations were set by the Board and by Wenger, who told us that by leaving Highbury we would be able to compete for the best players and pay top wages . I haven't heard wenger or the Board come out and say "actually guys, the expectation you should have is that we'll fall apart in March every season but relax, we'll still finish top 4"

This.

spot on.

[USMartin]

But is anew manager a realistic answer or just more delusion?

The reality what can a new manager do on the same budget and perhpas more worringly wage structure in place now?

My worry is that sacking the manager will accomplish nothing but calming the anger for a little while, which only serves the millionaires inside the club's interests. I am not confident any new manager can take us any further unless there is a major shift in our spending policies especially on wages. We can't improve anything as long as were willing to pay Bendtner 50K a week and Cesc 80K a week, especially since we ant to sell the players who deserve more and expect it.

How does any new manager keep our better players who are already underpaid and undermotivated, and how does he replace them if they leave, and add the players we need to add now to replace the overpaid players if we still wnat to underpay our best players?

Like I said all replacing Mr. Wenger alone will do is take more pressure off the Board. It won't necessarily change anything for ther better without major changes in our financial policies. And even if we could make them next year, why not this year or last year then - the money was there then, after all.

No we need a way forward not a way to stand in place and delude ourselves were moving ahead.

[antgel]

So go and do something else. I'm not going to be bullied off here because you and some other people disagree with me. Forums are meant for discussion.

Maybe it's time for a very simple new rule on here - posts containing simple abuse of fellow fans with no other content to be deleted and warnings and bannings to result.

In over 20 years following home and away I never once had a conversation with a Gooner with anywhere near the level of vitriol and spite on here. So if it wouldn't happen n real life I don't see why it should be allowed here.

Where do you live brother? If you're in the NW4 area, pop round mine, we'll have a chat.

You say forums are meant for discussion, but you didn't half up the anti with you thread.

You put it out there, back it the fuck up.

Actually I lived in Hendon for most of my life. I'd like to think that I could have a beer with any Gooner on here in real life and we could get along.

I can't work out if you are serious or if there is an undercurrent of a threat to your post.

Anyway I emigrated last year, so either way I'll have to decline but thanks (if you meant it in a nice way).

[defleppardisking]

A lot of you want to start supporting the team instead of sitting there making your snide little comments about the team / Wenger. We're going through a bad run, it happens, its happened before and it will happen again. Sitting there calling Wenger and certain players c**ts is pathetic.

so what should we call them? heroes? or Wenger the God? or Wenger knows best?

...and this is the problem. You don't need to make these kind of overblown judgements. Tonight they lost a game which by and large they played well in. These things happen, and will always happen as long as you follow football. You don't need to sit there and make out Wenger must go - if that was the case he would have been gone long ago. We are not perfect, we aren't a Barcelona type team that beats every team they face, and the sooner you be more realistic with you expectations with Arsenal you might just see these things with a more balanced view. Until you can point out a more (realistic) alternative to the way things are currently done at Arsenal you need to just be grateful for the good times and take the bad times in your stride.

Its been a shit 2 weeks, but we've been there before and we can be there again and maybe next time we will do better. But don't make out like this team is a disgrace - we've got so much going for us we can't just give up every time we face a difficult period.

I'm gutted we lost today, we deserved more. We played well, but it wasn't happening for us today, and I'm more worried about the injury to Djourou than the result.

got so much going? we deserved more? you are really deluded just like Wenger. How long has this shit been going? no it's not just 2 weeks. It's YEARS man. Wake up and smell the flowers. And there is a realistic way to end all these and that is by getting a new manager

Deluded?

We've moved to a new stadium that we've been able to financially manage better than any other premiership team. We've got a decent scouting network and some very promising youngsters for the future.

For now though, we're 2nd in the league, got some truly quality players that play the kind of football that makes us stand-out not only in the Premiership but throughout Europe. We've had a decent season that no-one would have realistically predicted. Yeah, this season has been a real disaster.....be realistic with your expectations and you won't be disappointed and come here talking nonsense.

Look who's talking nonsense. Decent season? what decent season? losing to birmingham in the final, losing to barca in the CL and just lose to MU(again) in the FA cup and that is decent season to you? Oh man stop spouting crap. Stop telling us that we are financially secure, got some quality players etc. You are no different from louder

[antgel]

Double post.

[Glitch33]

No point in slagging off AW or any of the players. We are where we are and have to see it through to the end of the season.

Under the circumstances I thought the boys played well today. It has been a difficult couple of weeks and we looked good and passed the ball well.

Shame about the finishing again but if they continue to play like that and they keep their chins up we can still win the Premiership.

A touch more urgency and and coolness in front of goal will see us through.

pass,pass,pass,pass,pass...DOH!

Van der Sar got man of the match and kept them in it.

Passing the ball into the net is our style of play and has been for years now. When it works it the best football in the country.

As they said on ITV we were great box to box. It justs needs a bit more precision.

We are 3 points behind with a game in hand.

We won;t win the league - if history hasn't taught you anything up until now, then I can't really say anymore.

Learn from history, and you won't repeat it's mistakes.

No positives from tonight at all then?

I thought they went into the game with a better attitude than I expected.

We had clear chances and didn't take them.

Can't do anyhting about players missing and can't give up whilst we are still in a good position to win the league.

[JMascis666]

...and this is the problem. You don't need to make these kind of overblown judgements. Tonight they lost a game which by and large they played well in. These things happen, and will always happen as long as you follow football. You don't need to sit there and make out Wenger must go - if that was the case he would have been gone long ago. We are not perfect, we aren't a Barcelona type team that beats every team they face, and the sooner you be more realistic with you expectations with Arsenal you might just see these things with a more balanced view. Until you can point out a more (realistic) alternative to the way things are currently done at Arsenal you need to just be grateful for the good times and take the bad times in your stride.

Its been a shit 2 weeks, but we've been there before and we can be there again and maybe next time we will do better. But don't make out like this team is a disgrace - we've got so much going for us we can't just give up every time we face a difficult period.

I'm gutted we lost today, we deserved more. We played well, but it wasn't happening for us today, and I'm more worried about the injury to Djourou than the result.

got so much going? we deserved more? you are really deluded just like Wenger. How long has this shit been going? no it's not just 2 weeks. It's YEARS man. Wake up and smell the flowers. And there is a realistic way to end all these and that is by getting a new manager

Deluded?

We've moved to a new stadium that we've been able to financially manage better than any other premiership team. We've got a decent scouting network and some very promising youngsters for the future.

For now though, we're 2nd in the league, got some truly quality players that play the kind of football that makes us stand-out not only in the Premiership but throughout Europe. We've had a decent season that no-one would have realistically predicted. Yeah, this season has been a real disaster.....be realistic with your expectations and you won't be disappointed and come here talking nonsense.

SO what? Do you earn money from it? I dont think you do, so, fuck this off.

Supporters must concentrate on TITLES, not money. They take care of the money and we take care of the titles.

So we should just chuck a load of money in order to win a title now, but have no financial security in the future? No thanks, I would rather Arsenal be there competing for titles for the next 5+ years rather than win it now and be nowhere for the next 10+ years.

We don't need to spend insane amounts of money, just enough to add to the squad in the key areas that are blinding obviously in need of strengthing to everyone except the manager.

[QuartzGooner]

Do you think that if we had the same quality of 0players as we had from 2002-2005 throughout this team we wouild have played the same way? Yes or no.

YES. BOSS DECIDES PATTERN OF PLAY. BUT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.

Do you really believe the manager has justr refused to spend money available to him to acquire similar players? Yes or no.

YES.

Do you think the manager has simply lost the capacity to judge the quality of those players on viewing and coaching them? Yes or no.

YES.

Do you really believe the Boared has made one effort to encourage spending more money on the football team? Yes or no.

NO. THEY LET WENGER GET ON WITH IT.

But most of all do you really believe there was any benefit to Arsenal Football Club beyond increasing the share price in re-developing Highbury and did that justify the negative impact it had on the Football Team many actually consider to be Arsenal Football Club? Yes or no.

YES. PROFIT. IT WAS JUSTIFIED. TEAM DIPPED BUT AS MUCH DOWN TO WENGER's JUDGEMENT AND INCREASED CASH AT CHELSEA AND MAN CITY AS MUCH AS LESS CASH FOR US BECAUSE OF DEBT REPAYMENTS.

Have answered all these before have answered them again in bold, just so they are on record.

[Pilly]

Goodbye cruel world

[shu]

WENGER HAS TO GO and that is based on the fact that he never learns and the same things happens every season. Bloody hell i post this shit every season too.

I have a silver membership and i dont go , i got fed up with the line of 'we have 40 mill to strengthen the team' and u never fucking do

every bloody season

i would take the special one and 50 mill to spend any day

ffs that was not a particularly good manure line up and i have just lost money as well , ffs happy days