Tony Adams praises Danny Fiszman

[flash gunner]

and so it continues

It's beyond a joke now. The Forum has been ruined.

Yep its getting that way

[marcengels]

I'm beginning to sympathise with USMartin

[flash gunner]

I'm beginning to sympathise with USMartin

Please. Stop.

[USMartin]

Martin,

You are either a WUM, or incredibly stupid. Which one is it?

I am neither.

Frank I was gonna be snarky like you but of course if I am it's some unforgivable conduct on my part even as a reply.

So I'll try to appeal to the intelligence I know you have even if you happily shut it down when its inconvieient.

Anyway let;'s say I am wrong it's all down to Arsene Wenger and him alone. That means he should and will be sacked a new manager appointed, sufficiently reinvested as needed into the footballk team improved players brought into the squad and improved perfomance and results and silverware won again. I'll be as happy as any Gooner because that is all any of us wants really right?

But what if you're wrong, Frank? What if you're wrong Quartz? What if you're wrong, Flash?

What if not only there is no more money invested now under this or any other manager any time soon at the Board's instruction or a dividend is voted to shareholders and even less money is made available for several years so that Mr Kroenke can pay for the money he borrowed to by Arsenal when the Board sold to him knowing he would have to do that - basically exposing us to the same jeopardy Liverpool were exposed to?

What will you say? What will you do?

[flash gunner]

Martin,

You are either a WUM, or incredibly stupid. Which one is it?

I am neither.

Frank I was gonna be snarky like you but of course if I am it's some unforgivable conduct on my part even as a reply.

So I'll try to appeal to the intelligence I know you have even if you happily shut it down when its inconvieient.

Anyway let;'s say I am wrong it's all down to Arsene Wenger and him alone. That means he should and will be sacked a new manager appointed, sufficiently reinvested as needed into the footballk team improved players brought into the squad and improved perfomance and results and silverware won again. I'll be as happy as any Gooner because that is all any of us wants really right?

But what if you're wrong, Frank? What if you're wrong Quartz? What if you're wrong, Flash?

What if not only there is no more money invested now under this or any other manager any time soon at the Board's instruction or a dividend is voted to shareholders and even less money is made available for several years so that Mr Kroenke can pay for the money he borrowed to by Arsenal when the Board sold to him knowing he would have to do that - basically exposing us to the same jeopardy Liverpool were exposed to?

What will you say? What will you do?

Martin no-one cares anymore. youve knocked the bollocks out of your own argument. I used to hate the board but youve made me trust them more

[DB10GOONER]

Martin,


I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt, though. With that in mind, I'd like to propose something to you; now, I know a 'USMartin board thread' sticky has been mooted and has actually been tried before, but I feel that, if you're not going to listen to any constructive ciriticism (blog, Twitter, facebook, etc.), then I'd like to suggest it again....

So, back to my thread idea. Given that I want what is best for this forum, and I don't want to commit to the idea that you're simply a WUM, what do you think about the idea? I'll set it up and I'll personally moderate it. Any silly, off-topic stuff (you know who you are!), personal attacks and insults will be deleted. If you like, you can even have a strict set of rules for the thread. It will give people who actually WANT to discuss this with you a place to do it seriously, whilst leaving people who want to talk about tits and transfers alone to do that, safe in the knowledge that their thread won't turn into a sermon about how the Hill-Woods are the spawn of Satan, and such.

This will be the last time I reach out to you. You should give this some thought. I'm sincere when I say that I don't mind taking sole responsibility for the thread. No other mods will have to waste their time on it. Of course, you don't have to go with it, and you can carry on doing what you're doing, but I'm not sure whether other mods or other forum members will be willing to be as accommodating.

If you're interested, PM me or reply on here and we can work together to set it up. If not, then that's also fine. I will then stay out of this and leave you to it.

Hi Tony - been a while, mate.

I actually did set this idea in motion with Martin before, but it proved more problematic than anything. I worked tirelessly modding the initial USMartin Board thread.

I received alot of pm's from regulars asking why one particular member was getting such preferential treatment. I explained it was for the broader benefit of the forum but alot of people were pissed off by it tbh.

And then Martin "thanked" me by breaking our agreement that he would confine this Board stuff to one thread by starting numerous new Board threads disguised as "daily updates" that were in essence just the same message over and over again.

I canned the idea.

Martin just cannot accept that no one on here wants to discuss the Board relentlessly. Either he is worryingly deluded or a very very highly evolved troll. To be honest I thought the former initially and so have defended and helped him for a long time on here but now I feel he is actually the latter. Or at the very least his behaviour can be categorised as having the same effect.

I wasn't going to make this known (and still not sure I should tbh but I feel transperancy might be best here) but I have asked the Owner to ban USMartin because he is ruining this forum. He is making it a seriously less fun and less interesting place for our regulars to visit and also making it a nightmare to mod - something I give up alot of my spare time to do.

Martin, I'm making this public so you cannot come back with your conspiracy / secrecy accusations. I alone have asked the Owner to ban you. No other mod as far as I know has done so. I have asked for this course of action for the good of the forum, nothing personal against you as a person, and not (as I know you will suggest) to silence you and somehow "protect" the Board.

You have been asked time and again to stop (or at least curtail) your Board rantings and you have not. You have been given more leeway than most regular members would receive tbh.

I cannot post the Owner's response or the course of action he is deciding upon as that would be unfair on the Owner. I just want it out in the open that I have asked for him to ban you, Martin and I can give no more details beyond that. You have no one to blame but yourself.

One last reason I posted this on the forum rather than a pm to Martin is that I think it should be a warning to other members that we cannot let one member's behaviour ruin the forum for the majority. Banning is a last resort on the OG (and rightly so) but sometimes it has to happen for the overall good of the forum.

My suggestion Martin, if you are genuine, is just go start that blog.

[biglunn]

I do have to ask a question on here - why are all sorts vitriolic ad-himenm attacks of the manager or claims with little or no factual basis at all about the manager and his policies perfectly valid posts in these same threads in which posts that suggest another party mat be the problem such as mine unacceptable? Why is that?

And this is the crux of it. Your relentless defence of Arsene Wenger. Your obsession of defending Arsene Wenger at every opportunity, diverting everything to 'The Board'. Well, Im sick of it. And if you haven't guessed, pretty much everyone else is as well. You deny you are a WUM... I agree with you. I honestly think you believe in what you preach. I believe you think you are some sort of Jesus-like messiah sent here to change peoples opinions & ways. You aint no Jesus. And you are NOT going to change peoples opinions - quite the contrary.

I'll say it once again.... I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT THE BOARD HAVE DONE. YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. But let me tell you this. Arsene Wenger was THE person that made it happen. You make out he is some kind of damsel in distress that was forced to do it... he had his opportunity not to stay at Arsenal and sign for Real Madrid (or any other big club) - but he didnt. Why? Because he would not have had total control there. Something he has at Arsenal - even more so since 2005. Something he has always wanted.

Arsene knew what he was getting into. He is the most qualified person at the club. He is the one that has lied and decieved me - an ordinary fan. He is the one that, in my eyes, got his priorities wrong. He is the one thats getting it wrong on the pitch. He is the one I point my finger at. The one that I vent my fury at. If you dont like it, politely speaking, F**K OFF.

Im an Arsenal fan. Not an Arsene fan. And by the looks of things - this ain't the place for you.

[USMartin]

I do have to ask a question on here - why are all sorts vitriolic ad-himenm attacks of the manager or claims with little or no factual basis at all about the manager and his policies perfectly valid posts in these same threads in which posts that suggest another party mat be the problem such as mine unacceptable? Why is that?

And this is the crux of it. Your relentless defence of Arsene Wenger. Your obsession of defending Arsene Wenger at every opportunity, diverting everything to 'The Board'. Well, Im sick of it. And if you haven't guessed, pretty much everyone else is as well. You deny you are a WUM... I agree with you. I honestly think you believe in what you preach. I believe you think you are some sort of Jesus-like messiah sent here to change peoples opinions & ways. You aint no Jesus. And you are NOT going to change peoples opinions - quite the contrary.

I'll say it once again.... I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT THE BOARD HAVE DONE. YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. But let me tell you this. Arsene Wenger was THE person that made it happen. You make out he is some kind of damsel in distress that was forced to do it... he had his opportunity not to stay at Arsenal and sign for Real Madrid (or any other big club) - but he didnt. Why? Because he would not have had total control there. Something he has at Arsenal - even more so since 2005. Something he has always wanted.

Arsene knew what he was getting into. He is the most qualified person at the club. He is the one that has lied and decieved me - an ordinary fan. He is the one that, in my eyes, got his priorities wrong. He is the one thats getting it wrong on the pitch. He is the one I point my finger at. The one that I vent my fury at. If you dont like it, politely speaking, F**K OFF.

Im an Arsenal fan. Not an Arsene fan. And by the looks of things - this ain't the place for you.

Ah yes, throw the book at the middle manager while the master minds run off with the money scott-free. Give the generals medals form order9ing the massacres and execute the Colonel who followed their orders. I really sincerely hiope that really isn't how you think deep down.


But seriiously the whole effort to make Arsene the one who did all this on his own is silly. My point is simply that Arsene Wneger chiose to act as his employers desired. I think he was dead wrong to do that in this instance.

What do you think nhe would have done if they gave him money every year and a wage structure to make using it easier? Just tell them to fuck off?

No matter how you spin it it doesn't happen the same way if we don;t let the Board do what they did and moslead about it. Hanging the wrong man because you can or just need to hang someone is not any form of justice or honour. And it never will be no matter what.

Most of all it will never solve the problem. You can't fix something by pretending you have.

[biglunn]

^^^^ Conveniently underplay Wengers involvement!

Soundbites ... massacres, execute the Colonel who followed their orders, justice or honour... man you sound like a politician! No substance to what you have to say, but sounds sexy!

"What is very important for me is that I decide who we buy and not somebody else. I am not against money but I feel I should decide what happens on the technical front."

"It looks like managers have less of a say but I will go my way if that happened. You can buy the players who can win you the Champions League but you can't buy the trophy. If you could there would be a big queue after it."

"We now have a different policy which is very difficult to change. We have gone that way and now we must push it through, no matter what people say."

"That is not linked with money, it's more linked with our strength and capability to keep the team together."

ARSENE WENGER quotes in 'The Mirror' - 14-09-2008


‘If we find a player we need who can give something more to the team then we will do it.

‘But the problem is people want me to develop young players. They want me to develop Jack Wilshere, Kieran Gibbs, Theo Walcott and to also buy players.

‘But the two do not go well together. You have to play players at a certain age or you lose them.’

ARSENE WENGER quotes in 'Metro' Dec-2010

[HashKads]

Marty.


:finger:

[mcdowell42]

It must be killing him

[RossieGooner]

..

[mcdowell42]

..

well said

[olgitgooner]

Strange that page 21 is invisible