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QuartzGooner wrote:The ancients had excellent astronomical knowledge.
The had good building skills, Rome is 2000 years old and it is more impressive than a lot of places built these days.
They also had good navigating and travelling ability, were able to sail pretty much anywhere.
The whole "Colombus discovered America" shtick is nonsense.
The Vikings got there earlier, so did the Scots and the Irish, and there is increasing suspicion that the ancient Middle East was trading with Central America in timber 3000 years ago.
Not to mention the "Clovis" people who might have been in America much earlier, and the migration of Africans to Australia and on to South America before what we call "Native Americans" crossed there from Siberia.
If there is one thing I know, it is that the history of migrations and of human development is constantly under revision.
Actually it's older; The Ancient Romans themselves traditionally believed that their city was founded in the year 753 BC. But many modern historians believe it was probably circa the years 620 - 625 BC. There is also evidence of basic human settlement there dating back 14000 years.
So from his inacurate dating I conclude Quartz is a creationist. Burn the witch!
But good points about Columbus.
The Oirish had been there and rode all their women long long before old Chris finally arrived! It's what we do.
Well corrected, I meant to say over 2000 years old.
I have an open mind about creationism though.
Early days of creation may have been "days" in a non literal sense, but refer to separate periods of time. Plus the ideas of different ancient civilizations before humanity leaving relics in "pre-time eras" are worth a look.
Second inscription carved into stone staircase confirms 'end date' of Mayan calendar - December 21, 2012
Second inscription that confirms date of 'end' of Mayan calendar
'End date' marks end of 5,125-year-old cycle of time
1,300 year old carvings described as biggest hieroglyphic find in decades
Inscription found on blocks abandoned by looters
Well aware that we have had two lengthy, in depth and frankly very heavy threads on the Middle East; with members of the Forum having personal involvement in fighting and details on more than one side of the conflicts.
Not especially wishing to re-visit the pro and anti Israel/Palestine argument.
But it is very much in the news that there could be an Israeli/American/British strike on Iranian nuclear program at any time.
Certainly it is public knowledge that these three powers have been working to delay and disrupt Iranian nuclear ambitions.
There too is a biblical prophecy of a war of Gog from the land of Magog, which some commentators link to a middle eastern conflict involving Israel and Iran.
Other biblical passages speak of war involving deaths of melted skin which sounds like the effects of chemical weapons.
It's very sad that there are many, many people out there who truly believe that the World will actually end in December.
This belief has been encouraged by the mass of rubbish video to be found on You Tube, and other places.
The mis-information has directly led to the suicide of vulnerable people. And has filtered down to school kids, some of whom are questioning the need to study hard, because they believe they don't have a long future. I'm not joking. This stuff has been documented.
This is a great put-down of an end-of-the-world-bullshit artist.......skip to 17 minutes into the video. The guy will be telling his fee paying audience that New Zealand, Japan and China( ) will disappear and a matter of minutes. The audience gasps in amazement. Stupid twats.
None of the ancient prophecies say the world will end permanently.
But the Gog U Magog one does say there will be a series of wars with huge casualties.
Small but serious group of Jewish eschatology bloggers think there is every chance these wars will begin in the next four years.
This is derived from various calculations of a cosmic calendar based on Kabbalistic writings.
Very much a fringe group, but worth noting as a Fortean ocurrence.
Answer: Historically speaking, Magog was a grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:2). The descendants of Magog settled to the far north of Israel, likely in Europe and northern Asia (Ezekiel 38:2). Magog seems to be used to refer to "northern barbarians" in general, but likely also has a connection to Magog the person. The people of Magog are described as skilled warriors (Ezekiel 38:15; 39:3-9).
Gog and Magog are referred to in Ezekiel 38-39 and in Revelation 20:7-8. While these two instances carry the same names, a close study of Scripture clearly demonstrates they do not refer to the same people and events. In Ezekiel’s prophecy, Gog will be the leader of a great army that attacks the land of Israel. Gog is described as “of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal” (Ezekiel 38:2-3). Ezekiel's battle of Gog and Magog occurs in the tribulation period, more specifically in the first 3 1/2 years. The strongest evidence for this view is that the attack will come when Israel is at peace (Ezekiel 38:8, 11). The description from Ezekiel is that of a nation that has security and has laid down its defenses. Israel is definitely not at peace now, and it is inconceivable that the nation would lay down its defenses apart from some major event. When Israel's covenant with the Beast/Antichrist is in effect at the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week (also known as the 7-year tribulation, Daniel 9:27a), Israel will be at peace. Possibly the battle will occur just before the midpoint of the seven-year period. According to Ezekiel, Gog will be defeated by God Himself on the mountains of Israel. The slaughter will be so great it will take seven months to bury all of the dead (Ezekiel 39:11-12).
Gog and Magog are mentioned again in Revelation 20:7-8. The duplicated use of the names Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8-9 is to show that these people demonstrate the same rebellion against God and antagonism toward God as those in Ezekiel 38-39. It is similar to someone today calling a person "the devil" because he or she is sinful and evil. We know that person is not really Satan, but because that person shares similar characteristics, he or she might be referred to as "the devil."
The book of Revelation uses Ezekiel's prophecy about Magog to portray a final end-times attack on the nation of Israel (Revelation 20:8-9). The result of this battle is that all are destroyed, and Satan will find his final place in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
It is important to recognize that the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is quite different from the one in Revelation 20:7-8. Below are some of the more obvious reasons why these refer to different people and battles.
1. In the battle of Ezekiel 38-39, the armies come primarily from the north and involve only a few nations of the earth (Ezekiel 38:6, 15; 39:2). The battle in Revelation 20:7-9 will involve all nations, so armies will come from all directions, not just from the north.
2. There is no mention of Satan in the context of Ezekiel 38-39. In Revelation 20:7 the context clearly places the battle at the end of the millennium with Satan as the primary character.
3. Ezekiel 39:11-12 states that the dead will be buried for seven months. There would be no need to bury the dead if the battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is the one described in Revelation 20:8-9, for immediately following Revelation 20:8-9 is the Great White Throne judgment (20:11-15) and then the current or present heaven and earth are destroyed, replaced by a new heaven and earth (Revelation 21:1). There obviously will be a need to bury the dead if the battle takes place in the early part of the tribulation, for the land of Israel will be occupied for another 1,000 years, the length of the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).
4. The battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is used by God to bring Israel back to Him (Ezekiel 39:21-29). In Revelation 20, Israel has been faithful to God for 1,000 years (the millennial kingdom). Those in Revelation 20:7-10 who are rebellious are destroyed without any more opportunity for repentance.
Recommended Resource: Understanding End Times Prophecy by Paul Benware.
) will disappear and a matter of minutes. The audience gasps in amazement. Stupid twats.
