Cesc to return?

[flash gunner]

oooohhhh someones got a bee in her bonnet

[Babatunde]

Baba - you know me by now mate. Of course, it goes without saying that Wenger has played a key role in the departure of all of our star players by failing to keep us competitive. The 8-2 was just about as humiliating experience I can ever remember as an Arsenal, amplified by the banners that were displayed that day that just about wanted me to empty the contents of my stomach on my new carpet.

If the signings we all know were needed when he let the 2008 team break-up had happened then I believe we would definitely have kept RvP and maybe Cesc (although the Barca thing would eventually have happened).

The key point of difference between Cesc and RvP for me was that they were both here for similar periods of time. Cesc, on the whole, conducted himself superbly was mostly available for selection (barring the last year) and made no secret of his love for Barcelona. It was inevitable he'd go there someday, so we can handle it. Barca acted like tossers but what's new there?

RvP, despite probably being driven to despair by Wenger, shat on us by joining THEM, after a long history of injuries. He could have 'done an Henry' and extended his contract but in the knowledge he'd pre-agreed a move the year afterwards. He could have said to his agent 'I want out, but get me a move to Real Madrid or Barca'. But he didn't. He fucked us about with bland statements and joined a club that abused him for many a year.

Wenger at fault in both scenarios - I just personally believe one man conducted himself with more dignity than the other. Just my view

In all seriousness though SteveO, I actually totally get your point of view on RVP. The point about extending a contract is a salient one. But we need consistency here: Cesc Fabregas, do you not remember him posting pics of he and Puyol at the Spanish GP when his team was playing a match at Craven Cottage? A piss-take if ever I saw one!
Far as I am aware, RVP never did such a thing as captain.

Also, do you not remember his disguting back-pass in the Nou Camp, which came off the back of him laughing and joking with Barca players in the tunnel before kick-off? Ever imagine one of Fergie's captains doing such a thing! He cost us the lead, then played like shit and got subbed off.
People also forget to mention that Fabregas still went ahead and accepted a £3 million one-off payment from the club the previous summer before carting off.

The revisionism with Cesc is happening because people are so bitter - and understandaby so to a degree - about RVP.

I do hate to quote this point though SteveO and that is that although Fabregas was a topclass player for us, he never single-handedly gave us CL football. He always had an associate or two in the teams he played in: from Henry to Pires, to Adebayor, to Flamini, to Gilberto Silva to RVP etc...

RVP was surrounded by absolute shte. Last season's Arsenal squad is the weakest under Wenger and I think can only be compared in weakness to this season's current squad depth, which is beyond shocking. That is what RVP contended with. And despite that, he almost broke the calendar goals record, was a good captain and scored a whopping 40% of all our goals!

Cesc Fabregas in my opinion will never return to Arsenal an I would bet my bottom dollar that he would sooner play for Manchester United or Chelski where he can earn far more money and win trophies. I don't think Cesc loves Arsenal as much as is made out. What I do think, is that he's been very good at fooling people into believing he loves Arsenal so much.
I always laugh when I see interviews with Cesc where he claims
"I would ask the fans to trust Wenger"

LOL. Yeah pal, you trusted him so much you buggered off before you even turned 25...

I don't think Cesc wants to work under Wenger ever again, but if Arsenal were to appoint Pep Guardiola tomorrow, I reckon Fabregas would jump at the chance of joining Arsenal...

[storrmin571]

as you say in your first line, a bit of a nothing story,

no player likes to be on the bench .

get with the program storrmin

Yeah, a nothing story but its sent baba off on a rant. More than worth the hassle of copying and pasting

[OneBardGooner]

Offer Cazorla in a swap deal

Get thee to a errrmmm second hand sofa shop thouest evil plockboomden - Or feel the wrath (ie: width) of hashkads knob up yer wotsit!

[OneBardGooner]

as you say in your first line, a bit of a nothing story,

no player likes to be on the bench .

get with the program storrmin

Yeah, a nothing story but its sent baba off on another rant. More than worth the hassle of copying and pasting

REEEE SULTTTT!

[Babatunde]

LOL

[SteveO 35]

Fair enough points Baba. Its how you see it I guess. Personally I think Cesc was between a rock and a hard place. He had close pals at Barca like Pique, but in fairness to the lad when they pulled the Barca shirt over his head when on Spain duty I thought he looked genuinetly embarrassed. He fucked up for that goal in the Nou Camp no doubt about it but I'll forgive him the mistake and assume it was no more than that.

I do also agree, that Van Judas carried us single-handedly last year. I can't remember us ever being so reliant on one player and without him we would have been mid-table no doubt about it. So in some ways he probably feels he's paid his dues.

Let the fans decide - WHEN we draw Barcelona again this season we'll compare the reaction he gets compared to RvP when the Mancs are in town.

If both ofthem decide to do what Anelka did for several seasons afterwards and develop a 'mysterious injury' the night before the games then they will both be as bigger krunts as one another

[Supagoon]

way to derail the thread baba,

I think Cesc will stay at Barca, yeah he wants to play more, who doesn't and he may not have started as many games, but he played plenty of minutes last season. Most Barca fans were very happy with his return last season.

In other news, Ronaldo is 'depressed' at Madrid, surely just needs a hug right.

I'm sure these players will be just fine.

[Gunnersaurus]

For once Baba I am with you, Cesc is a Greasy Prick (who gets an easy ride on here, most must have been on the moon or with their heads burried in the sand through his final year and the Summer which led to his move but there's always a valid excuse for loveable Cesc) van Persie is a greedy prick and Wenger is Le Prick for allowing this all to happen.

[Gunnersaurus]

But if he wants to come back, make it happen.

[richie]

Cesc wanted to go to Barca and now he's there.....not our concern if he is happy or not i wouldn't of thought.I for one am not interested in re-signing players who wanted to leave us, so just let him sulk on Barca's bench and forget him...he made it clear he no longer wanted to play for The Arsenal and left...F"@k him
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[Gunnersaurus]

Can see United going for him to be honest if he becomes available, if they get him they can finally put Scholes down.

[Babatunde]

Fair enough points Baba. Its how you see it I guess. Personally I think Cesc was between a rock and a hard place. He had close pals at Barca like Pique, but in fairness to the lad when they pulled the Barca shirt over his head when on Spain duty I thought he looked genuinetly embarrassed. He fucked up for that goal in the Nou Camp no doubt about it but I'll forgive him the mistake and assume it was no more than that.

I do also agree, that Van Judas carried us single-handedly last year. I can't remember us ever being so reliant on one player and without him we would have been mid-table no doubt about it. So in some ways he probably feels he's paid his dues.

Let the fans decide - WHEN we draw Barcelona again this season we'll compare the reaction he gets compared to RvP when the Mancs are in town.

If both ofthem decide to do what Anelka did for several seasons afterwards and develop a 'mysterious injury' the night before the games then they will both be as bigger krunts as one another

Spot on.
I'll tell you what on RVP though SteveO and the reliance issue is a major point: have never ever seen Arsenal as reliant on a single player in my entire Arsenal lifetime than RVP. Frankly it was ridiculous last season. Please remember that when we had Wrighty he had rock of a back 5 playing behind him and the midfield is no way near as shabby as is sometimes made out by the Wenger revisionists.


Henry? He had Bergkamp. He had Vieira. He had Pires. He had Cole. He had Campbell. He had Lehmann.

RVP was literally a one man team. It was absurd at times, you just knew that if he didn't score then there's no ay Arsenal are getting the points because:
a. Defence was shite
b. N one else could hit a barn door
c. Keeper won't win you games.

Having said that however, I have just seen a pic someone posted of RVP on the Goonersid thread, and in it there is a picture of him wearing an Arsenal kit as a teenager in his bedroom
This implies he's actually genuinely always been an Arsenal fan, hence meaning he genuinely understands our 'rivalry' with Manure (unlike eg Adebayor and other foreign players)...and yet he still joined them.

He's a c*** then.

Mind you, I still wanna ask what kind of a serious manager sanctions the sale of such a world class player to Msan United of all teams? Seriously, who the fuck agrees to that?!

[Babatunde]

For once Baba I am with you, Cesc is a Greasy Prick (who gets an easy ride on here, most must have been on the moon or with their heads burried in the sand through his final year and the Summer which led to his move but there's always a valid excuse for loveable Cesc) van Persie is a greedy prick and Wenger is Le Prick for allowing this all to happen.

Spot on, why thank you sire

[Babatunde]

Can see United going for him to be honest if he becomes available, if they get him they can finally put Scholes down.

I am asolutely convinced that Manure will go for him as a means of restructuring their midfield. I absolutely expect this to happen, would not surprise me. He has bags of PL experience, right age, Arsenal certainly won't fork out for him, has won stuff etc...it makes perfect sense for Fergie. Imagine them with a team containing Fabregas and RVP.

Dear God that would be taking a dump upon taking the piss...