jimmy saville

[the playing mantis]

what are peoples opinions on this whole abuse scandal?

clearly he was an oddball and i dont doubt was guilty of taking advantage of his position no end, just look at him he was a weirdo. BUT the whole flood of allegations now is dubious imo. if it really was on such a scale surely someone would have come out before. sure you can say they lived in fear, but there are so many this stuff should have been heard b4.

imo, guilty of certain sick/wrong stuff no doubt, but on this scale cant quite believe it.

[QuartzGooner]

Reckon it is true.
People too shocked by what happened to them to have spoken out before.

[OneBardGooner]

The rumours are growing stronger and stronger with each day.

If it does turn out he was a Paedophile...then it is horrible for all those left behind, with no way to get justice of any kind (not that any kind of justice can be found in such horrorfying things)..what seems clear is that he used his popularity in order to get into a position where he could abuse those he was meant to be helping...it is EVIL...and if there is such a place as hell, may he go there and rot.

It is so terrible and sad that we have these (so called) hero's who do so much good work (charity fund raising etc) than turn out to be evil scumbags.

[skizz_b]

there are a lot of bandwaggoners who will say that they've been abused when they haven't

~BUT

I do believe it's true and that he was sheltered

the most shocking thing is most people I speak to of a certain age (my old dear, family, people at work etc) who watched him on TV etc are not at all surprised by it!

[Top Londoner]

Having being brought up in care homes I can quite easily accept these accusations of him.
I have personal experience of abusive carers, social workers, school teachers and police officers.
Things were different back then, you just shut up and carried on. I protected my younger brother from the same abuse and it is only now that he can talk about it, forty years later.

On the book thread I wrote of a book that I recently read, Nobody came/Robbie Garner. Traumatic stuff and certainly worse than what I experienced.

There are predatory pedophiles in all walks of life and, I would imagine that most people would be surprised at how far up this goes. To the very top in my experience.

So, yes. I can accept that this git has been protected by others with the same interests, and with more to lose. Equally I can accept the magnitude of offences committed.

I hope that there is a special place in hell for this C U N T.

[flash gunner]

I find it amazing that out of the 300 (so far) virtually no one ever said about it before. Im not doubting that some or maybe even all of the stories are true but i wish it would have surfaced while he was alive so that he a)could have been charged and convicted if found guilty and b)would have had the chance to defend himself if it wasnt true, he is guilty now whether he actually was or not.

There is also such a guilt trip thing going on now and its gone from one extreme to the other like Hillsbrough and every other thing it seems since Princess Di died, the BBC have gone from apparent covering it up to now Chris Patten saying anyone who is at the BBC inherits the guilt!! What utter fucking bollocks!!!!! the only people who are guilty and should feel guilty are the ones who knew and said nothing.... Its such an OTT thing to say......

If he was guilty he deserves to rot and the same goes for any child molester im not defending them but all the band wagon jumping pisses me off and savile should have had face the accusations while alive

[Top Londoner]

I agree with bandwaggoners flash. There will always be some people with an angle out there.
My point would be that, when this was happening to youngsters, they were either terrified or disabled (mentally or physically). In the 70's, you were just as likely to get a hiding to dare suggest that this had happened to you. The idea that so many people wishing to pursue this, as adults, does not sit easy with me. Get over it, and move on. It is that many cannot do that, and some just see ££££'s. Rather like the woman who had a 17 year affair with him and aborted his baby. Nothing to see there but a quick buck to be made.
Maybe some people just need to be heard in order to put it behind them though?
If pursuing this brings to light the offences of other people in authority then I fully endorse it.

[arseofacrow]

I agree with bandwaggoners flash. There will always be some people with an angle out there.
My point would be that, when this was happening to youngsters, they were either terrified or disabled (mentally or physically). In the 70's, you were just as likely to get a hiding to dare suggest that this had happened to you. The idea that so many people wishing to pursue this, as adults, does not sit easy with me. Get over it, and move on. It is that many cannot do that, and some just see ££££'s. Rather like the woman who had a 17 year affair with him and aborted his baby. Nothing to see there but a quick buck to be made.
Maybe some people just need to be heard in order to put it behind them though?
If pursuing this brings to light the offences of other people in authority then I fully endorse it.

I would most agree with smoke-free TL...

What I would add is that at least 4 police forces had complaints made to them so it's not as if no-one mentioned this. Plus Saville was an adult and some of these girls were underage so the responsibility is his and he knew this. But he used his position to gain access and as TL says, the climate of the time was very, very different - but the illegality of saville's actions remains.

If a few people jump on the bandwagon then so be it, especially if it weeds out some more of saville's mates of the time.

[flash gunner]

I agree with bandwaggoners flash. There will always be some people with an angle out there.
My point would be that, when this was happening to youngsters, they were either terrified or disabled (mentally or physically). In the 70's, you were just as likely to get a hiding to dare suggest that this had happened to you. The idea that so many people wishing to pursue this, as adults, does not sit easy with me. Get over it, and move on. It is that many cannot do that, and some just see ££££'s. Rather like the woman who had a 17 year affair with him and aborted his baby. Nothing to see there but a quick buck to be made.
Maybe some people just need to be heard in order to put it behind them though?
If pursuing this brings to light the offences of other people in authority then I fully endorse it.

I would most agree with smoke-free TL...

What I would add is that at least 4 police forces had complaints made to them so it's not as if no-one mentioned this. Plus Saville was an adult and some of these girls were underage so the responsibility is his and he knew this. But he used his position to gain access and as TL says, the climate of the time was very, very different - but the illegality of saville's actions remains.

If a few people jump on the bandwagon then so be it, especially if it weeds out some more of saville's mates of the time.

Fair enough i can't argue with yours or TL's posts. This story is bad enough without the extreme pole shifting of the BBC going from covering it up to saying every BBC employee inherits shame!! what even the 21 year old graduate that doesnt even know of savile before this all came out. Also its a shame savile wasnt alive to face these accusations so that he would be punished if guilty or clear his name if not. Can you imagine if in a few months time the police actually say after all enquiries we've actually found no evidence he was guilty, his rep is fucked for ever with no chance to reply.

As i said if he's guilty may he rot in hell along with all the other perverted paedos

[OneBardGooner]

Having being brought up in care homes I can quite easily accept these accusations of him.
I have personal experience of abusive carers, social workers, school teachers and police officers.
Things were different back then, you just shut up and carried on. I protected my younger brother from the same abuse and it is only now that he can talk about it, forty years later.

On the book thread I wrote of a book that I recently read, Nobody came/Robbie Garner. Traumatic stuff and certainly worse than what I experienced.

There are predatory pedophiles in all walks of life and, I would imagine that most people would be surprised at how far up this goes. To the very top in my experience.

So, yes. I can accept that this git has been protected by others with the same interests, and with more to lose. Equally I can accept the magnitude of offences committed.

I hope that there is a special place in hell for this C U N T.

It truly saddens (and Angers) me to hear of that TL.... Having once taught @ A level and then lectured in a college...I was "Shocked and Sickened" by just how many of the pupils and students had suffered abuse (of different kinds..violent/sexual etc) and I can readily believe this *word censored* HAS done all that's being claimed...the thing is (as you say) they rarely act alone...so there are other *word censored* who I hope are still alive and get everything and more they deserve.

it's fucking EVIL! *word censored* every one of them.

[Top Londoner]

Cheers OBG. But really, pfffttt. All in the past now mate.
I was once approached to do some relevant counselling regarding this.
You can see from my erratic postings on this forum that I made the right choice when declining.

[OneBardGooner]

Yeah...I started a course in counselling whilst I was teaching...but after the 1st year I gave up It was really just too much - I don't mean the studies that was easy, but when I used to 'shadow' the college counsellor in sessions...I used to have nightmares and stuff...Just not cut out for that kind of thing...I used to do Outward Bound stuff with students as well - survival courses/rock climbing/rescue scenarios/canoeing etc...and during the long weekends (5 staff to 20 students) some of the stuff that came out during the walks etc...used to make me so angry and sorry for these young people....

I don't believe in 'God' per se, but part of me hopes there is one, so revenge can be wreaked upon the scumbags.

[Top Londoner]

I didn't take it serious mate as a few of the counsellors in my time were also said abusers. LMFAO but true.

[Dan_85]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBl4dDzNaI0

[Top Londoner]

Fucking brilliant Dan. Brilliant