THE WENGER THREAD

[augie]

Is it really only 21 posts? Seems like an awful lot more.

[Titi Gooner for life]

Comparing Bayern with where Arsenal are is not appropriate. The amount of money they have spent on players compared to us is worlds apart.

Bayern are streets ahead in terms of experience in the CL.

We have to accept that we have fallen off from the top - mailnly in my opinion to the money that City, Chelsea and United have been able to spend. We cant compete with that level of money (along with mistakes we've made in the meantime).

Havent we had 16 years now mate? How much experience of it do we need?

We've had 16 years of competing in the CL - correct. Over the past 5 years we havent been competing in the later stages of the CL and winning titles like Bayern have - hence I think that those Bayern players have more experience when it comes to knockout CL.

If thats true why hasnt Wenger bought experienced players? We have spunked money away on Gervinho and the rest like theres no tomorrow, why hasnt he spent the same amount of money (and less in terms of wages than Bayern's experience) on better and more experienced players?

Well in fairness, over the past season or two - we have seen Wenger buy more experience - BFG, Arteta, Poldi etc.

So i think he has recognised that.

Signing of Santos, Gervinho - not good enough. Does it warrant me calling him a pschopath? No!

[Titi Gooner for life]

Comparing Bayern with where Arsenal are is not appropriate. The amount of money they have spent on players compared to us is worlds apart.

Bayern are streets ahead in terms of experience in the CL.

We have to accept that we have fallen off from the top - mailnly in my opinion to the money that City, Chelsea and United have been able to spend. We cant compete with that level of money (along with mistakes we've made in the meantime).

Havent we had 16 years now mate? How much experience of it do we need?

We've had 16 years of competing in the CL - correct. Over the past 5 years we havent been competing in the later stages of the CL and winning titles like Bayern have - hence I think that those Bayern players have more experience when it comes to knockout CL.

Bayern are one of the top 2/3 teams in the world.

So we could just say Bayern are streets ahead of us and leave it at that?

We always get out of the group stages so we've got a fair bit of experience of the knockout stages too. Unfotunately our experience is mainly one of getting knocked out !! Nobody has more experience of getting knocked out of the knockout stages than Wenger's Arsenal

[rodders999]

It was me that called him a psychopath. I called him that after he proclaimed yesterday to Arsenal fans that "you'll miss me when I'm gone". A bit like the threat of a wife beater to his battered missus after she threatens to take out a restraining order against him.

Miss you when you're gone? I'm counting down the seconds until we're rid of him the has been old dear.

[Titi Gooner for life]

It was me that called him a psychopath. I called him that after he proclaimed yesterday to Arsenal fans that "you'll miss me when I'm gone". A bit like the threat of a wife beater to his battered missus after she threatens to take out a restraining order against him.

Miss you when you're gone? I'm counting down the seconds until we're rid of him the has been old dear.

Ya thats all - that my opinion that the man has achieved a lot with the club so doesnt deserve to be abused, called a psycopath etc.

And that as fans - fair enough if we want him to go (understand that) but we should have more class than to abuse him on the way out!

[rodders999]

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[SouthCoastArsenal]

Wenger is 4/11 to still be in charge the 1st game of next season (Sky Bet)

4/11 shots are that price for a reason..........

Wenger is going nowhere

[markyp]

Welcome to the forum, Titi. Unfortunately, we are like vampires here looking for fresh blood and you are the fresh blood

Essentially, if you take away the financial portion of the game, which others have highlighted and seem a point of contention with people who still support Wenger, you are down to what we see on the field. What we see (effort aside) is a lot of headless chicken defending and the now predictable tactics of pass through the middle.

If you look at Bayern last night, they were organized, ran for each other and had a plan to stop us. We didn't even make it out of our half for most of the first half. Now that is Bayern, other teams may not believe in their quality as much and prefer to park the bus. We can't break them down - how many years have we seen that?

We can't defend set pieces, our attacking set pieces are a joke (yes, we got a gift last night), we are awful without the ball, and when things aren't working out, we wait until 70 minutes almost every game to change it. Half the games, we don't even bother to turn up until after the first half. We lead the league in individual defensive errors. If you take away our routs this year (Southampton, West Ham, etc) you will notice that we are actually struggling to score goals.

Any other manager would have been chucked out on his ear now, but because Wenger was great almost 10 years ago, he remains in a job because people have belief about the financial aspects that he may be operating under rather than what is on the pitch. This also flies in the face of the official Arsenal accounts, what Gazidis has said and also includes quotes from Wenger, himself.

Comparing Bayern with where Arsenal are is not appropriate. The amount of money they have spent on players compared to us is worlds apart.

Bayern are streets ahead in terms of experience in the CL.

We have to accept that we have fallen off from the top - mailnly in my opinion to the money that City, Chelsea and United have been able to spend. We cant compete with that level of money (along with mistakes we've made in the meantime).

another AKB trying to make a valid case for wenker,hilarious!!!the 'we cant compete with city,chavski financially' is the biggest load of bull that wenger has fed us,we have 175m in the bank,man utd are something like £200m in debt,the january transfer window was proof that us not competing is wengers choice.also saying you shouldnt compare us to bayern is bull,we are Arsenal,we are massive,as massive as bayern, the fact that bayern have won the CL/Euro cup in the past means nothing about what went on last night.we live in the now and right now we are shite,bayern are a force,our teams in the 1930's were a force does that give us a divine right to win league titles year after year?no.you have to earn the right,we dont have the ability under wenger to earn the right to compete,money isnt a issue,losing to bradford and blackburn isnt about not being able to compete with city etc its about the current crop under wengers rule being shite .this shite is lord wenkers doing,his finest team he says,the blokes a nutter,a dictator,the day he walks willl be a great day,especailly as all the brain washed disciples like yourself will finally realise that once we start winning again and competing under a differant manager that he was a fraud,who promised everything but delivered nothing but lies.by the way welcome to the forum

[begeegs]

Comparing Bayern with where Arsenal are is not appropriate. The amount of money they have spent on players compared to us is worlds apart.

Bayern are streets ahead in terms of experience in the CL.

We have to accept that we have fallen off from the top - mailnly in my opinion to the money that City, Chelsea and United have been able to spend. We cant compete with that level of money (along with mistakes we've made in the meantime).

The problems that I have highlighted cost nothing to fix. In fact, we are already paying money for it which is Wenger's salary. It doesn't require new players. It requires tactics, organization and practice.

If you watch the games and we are all over the place like headless chickens when we defend, that should tell you something. When we are trying to get forward and everyone is standing around without moving, that should tell you something. When it is all 1-2's trying to thread the eye of a needle and playing through the middle, that should tell you something. When we cross the ball into the box and there is one player there surrounded by 4-5 defenders, that should tell you something. When we constantly conceded set piece after set piece after more keystone cops defending, that should tell you something.

It should tell you that Wenger's Arsenal do not practice these things. We have been waiting for these things to change for years. None of this cost a penny to change or implement.

With proper organization and a tactical gameplan, we may have given Bayern a game. We may not have won, but I guarantee you that we wouldn't have gotten thrashed at home.

[Offside]

We all give out because Arsene doesn't do tactics. Well turns out the fucker doesn't do strategy either. To sacrifice our ONLY chance of a trophy so he could field a stronger team in a competition we have no chance in hell of winning is mismanagement on a criminal level.

He's being doing it for years.

In 2008, we had to beat Liverpool to stay in the title race but he fielded a weakened team because he was focussing on the CL game with Liverpool. What happened? We draw in the league and then lose to Liverpool anyway in the CL.

In 2009, he dropped Arshavin for the FA Cup game with Chelsea (with that bonkers reason about needing to give the team confidence that they could beat Man Utd in the CL without him ) and played a weakened team. What happened? We lose in the FA Cup and get our arses handed to us by Man Utd in the CL.

In 2010, he played a weakened team at Stoke in the FA Cup because we had big league games coming up with Aston Villa, Man Utd and Chelsea. What happened? We lose in the FA Cup and pick up only one point from our next three league games.

[Titi Gooner for life]

Welcome to the forum, Titi. Unfortunately, we are like vampires here looking for fresh blood and you are the fresh blood

Essentially, if you take away the financial portion of the game, which others have highlighted and seem a point of contention with people who still support Wenger, you are down to what we see on the field. What we see (effort aside) is a lot of headless chicken defending and the now predictable tactics of pass through the middle.

If you look at Bayern last night, they were organized, ran for each other and had a plan to stop us. We didn't even make it out of our half for most of the first half. Now that is Bayern, other teams may not believe in their quality as much and prefer to park the bus. We can't break them down - how many years have we seen that?

We can't defend set pieces, our attacking set pieces are a joke (yes, we got a gift last night), we are awful without the ball, and when things aren't working out, we wait until 70 minutes almost every game to change it. Half the games, we don't even bother to turn up until after the first half. We lead the league in individual defensive errors. If you take away our routs this year (Southampton, West Ham, etc) you will notice that we are actually struggling to score goals.

Any other manager would have been chucked out on his ear now, but because Wenger was great almost 10 years ago, he remains in a job because people have belief about the financial aspects that he may be operating under rather than what is on the pitch. This also flies in the face of the official Arsenal accounts, what Gazidis has said and also includes quotes from Wenger, himself.

Comparing Bayern with where Arsenal are is not appropriate. The amount of money they have spent on players compared to us is worlds apart.

Bayern are streets ahead in terms of experience in the CL.

We have to accept that we have fallen off from the top - mailnly in my opinion to the money that City, Chelsea and United have been able to spend. We cant compete with that level of money (along with mistakes we've made in the meantime).

another AKB trying to make a valid case for wenker,hilarious!!!the 'we cant compete with city,chavski financially' is the biggest load of bull that wenger has fed us,we have 175m in the bank,man utd are something like £200m in debt,the january transfer window was proof that us not competing is wengers choice.also saying you shouldnt compare us to bayern is bull,we are Arsenal,we are massive,as massive as bayern, the fact that bayern have won the CL/Euro cup in the past means nothing about what went on last night.we live in the now and right now we are shite,bayern are a force,our teams in the 1930's were a force does that give us a divine right to win league titles year after year?no.you have to earn the right,we dont have the ability under wenger to earn the right to compete,money isnt a issue,losing to bradford and blackburn isnt about not being able to compete with city etc its about the current crop under wengers rule being shite .this shite is lord wenkers doing,his finest team he says,the blokes a nutter,a dictator,the day he walks willl be a great day,especailly as all the brain washed disciples like yourself will finally realise that once we start winning again and competing under a differant manager that he was a fraud,who promised everything but delivered nothing but lies.by the way welcome to the forum

Money isnt an issue?? You joking me? In modern day EPL - money isnt an issue?? Right. Of course it is. And yes I stand b the comment - we CANNOT compete with Chelsea and Man City financially. Only United can - and as I've said thats because their a GLOBAL brand - we are not in that league yet.

Bayern are a bigger side than us - always were to be fair. Wenger has increased the profile of this club in his time but we are not a bigger club than Bayern. (bigger club is difficult to assess - based on history, fan base etc)

Im far from brain washed but sounds like you might be with comments like "the blokes a nutter,a dictator,the day he walks willl be a great day" - about one of the greatest mangers this club has ever employed??! Who's brainwashed??!

The Wenger Out brigade think they own the place around here! ye do know that its 50:50 in the polls as to whether people back Wenger or not!

[Titi Gooner for life]

Comparing Bayern with where Arsenal are is not appropriate. The amount of money they have spent on players compared to us is worlds apart.

Bayern are streets ahead in terms of experience in the CL.

We have to accept that we have fallen off from the top - mailnly in my opinion to the money that City, Chelsea and United have been able to spend. We cant compete with that level of money (along with mistakes we've made in the meantime).

The problems that I have highlighted cost nothing to fix. In fact, we are already paying money for it which is Wenger's salary. It doesn't require new players. It requires tactics, organization and practice.

If you watch the games and we are all over the place like headless chickens when we defend, that should tell you something. When we are trying to get forward and everyone is standing around without moving, that should tell you something. When it is all 1-2's trying to thread the eye of a needle and playing through the middle, that should tell you something. When we cross the ball into the box and there is one player there surrounded by 4-5 defenders, that should tell you something. When we constantly conceded set piece after set piece after more keystone cops defending, that should tell you something.

It should tell you that Wenger's Arsenal do not practice these things. We have been waiting for these things to change for years. None of this cost a penny to change or implement.

With proper organization and a tactical gameplan, we may have given Bayern a game. We may not have won, but I guarantee you that we wouldn't have gotten thrashed at home.

This is a top top post! Agreed.

As I said Im not a AKB - i'm only outlining that the man deserves more respect that ye're giving him on here.

Completely agreed on your point - organisation, drilled organisation and heart can take a team a long way - and yes we are missing that.

But did we have that when we were challenging for the titles 5/6 yrs ago?

agreed - its scarey to think that everytime the opposition attack that you can see a goal conceeded - something wrong there

[markyp]

we have one of the largest wage bills in the premier league,we have one of the highest paid managers in europe,we pay over the odds on shit like Gervinho,giroud,chamakh etc etc etc with no resale value,now tell me we dont have any money,its a farce,a smoke screen that wenger has built to fool all you akb's into thinking our decline is because we dont have money.WE LOST WITH A FULL STRENGTH SQUAD TO BRADFORD,HOW IS THAT ABOUT NOT HAVING MONEY???THAT IS ABOUT A SHIT MANAGER WHO HAS SADLY BEEN FOUND OUT.
just one question,how many years of winning nothing under Wenger will it take before you realise he is no longer the man??cos as it stands right now this 8 year drought is the longest in the 34 years of supporting Arsenal that we have gone without a trophy,that being 79 -87,and we were absolutey shit back then too or did you think TN/DH were messiahs too and should have stayed in charge??

[burns718]

Comparing Bayern with where Arsenal are is not appropriate. The amount of money they have spent on players compared to us is worlds apart.

Bayern are streets ahead in terms of experience in the CL.

We have to accept that we have fallen off from the top - mailnly in my opinion to the money that City, Chelsea and United have been able to spend. We cant compete with that level of money (along with mistakes we've made in the meantime).

The problems that I have highlighted cost nothing to fix. In fact, we are already paying money for it which is Wenger's salary. It doesn't require new players. It requires tactics, organization and practice.

If you watch the games and we are all over the place like headless chickens when we defend, that should tell you something. When we are trying to get forward and everyone is standing around without moving, that should tell you something. When it is all 1-2's trying to thread the eye of a needle and playing through the middle, that should tell you something. When we cross the ball into the box and there is one player there surrounded by 4-5 defenders, that should tell you something. When we constantly conceded set piece after set piece after more keystone cops defending, that should tell you something.

It should tell you that Wenger's Arsenal do not practice these things. We have been waiting for these things to change for years. None of this cost a penny to change or implement.

With proper organization and a tactical gameplan, we may have given Bayern a game. We may not have won, but I guarantee you that we wouldn't have gotten thrashed at home.

This is a top top post! Agreed.

As I said Im not a AKB - i'm only outlining that the man deserves more respect that ye're giving him on here.

Completely agreed on your point - organisation, drilled organisation and heart can take a team a long way - and yes we are missing that.

But did we have that when we were challenging for the titles 5/6 yrs ago?

agreed - its scarey to think that everytime the opposition attack that you can see a goal conceeded - something wrong there

Yes when we had Keown and Campbell in our team

[denhaaggooner]

I keep saying this and i will say it 1 more time how many trophies has wenger won with 11 of his own players ? none thats how many ! I could have been manager with the basis of the team he inherited and won as much as he has he has done nothing since .We are sinking slowly and if the board doesnt act soon we will be back to the mid 80,s when we were really poor . I know many of you have problems with GG but he built a team of winners and fighters that made 38,000 people happy every week wenger has built a team of bottlers for the 60,000 super bowl and half of them think he is some kind of superman i would rather go back to the mid 80,s coz then i knew we were shit but at least they tried .