THE WENGER THREAD

[Wengerism]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-WrgVpu ... 1&index=21

A good watch for those that haven't seen it before

[BFG4]

After 500odd pages I've come to the conclusion 90% of people on here would never have followed the arsenal in the 70's early 80's ....

All you do all you do all you do is FUCKING MOAN

Sorry mate but the majority of the 'moaners' on here WERE following Arsenal back in the 70's and 80's but weren't charged a fortune to do so while being force-fed constant bullshit about wanting to challenge when the reality is so different!!

Yes I was following The Arsenal in the 70's and 80's as well.

If anything, it's the JCL's from 1996 onwards who are giving Wenger a free pass that is out of order.

But let me ask the Wenger defenders on here - if we sack Wenger now, what do we actually have to lose ?

No JCL here (something to do with the knee I think?)

If we sack wenger we have the best manager we have had to lose. The manager that has kept us in with a shout despite the money fuelled teams near us. We could spend a fortune on players but only short term, we could glory grab a trophy perhaps but for me that is not good enough. I want longevity and I want my grandchildren to follow the Arsenal and have a chance to see us win something. The fact that this is a most likely occurence is, imo, because and not in spite of how the club has been and is being run and managed.

Yes we have money (cash rich at last after consolidation through which we have remained in touch whereas I believe any other manager tht would not necessarily have been the case) but we do not hav ethe money that the bottomless pit of oil or russian shenanigans produce.

We are getting there and I return to my mantra that is, in nine years time I believe we will lokk back at a collection of trophies and success and that will be chiefly down to Arsene and the current and recent management

it is truly sad that folk are outpriced and can't go and, because such as me are fans of Arsene does not mean we agree with 'everything' the club does.

The fickleness that arises, and here I agree with augie and the like, is marked on here at times of such defeats as we suffered yesterday, as it is when we have a good run of wins. I am also aware that here (this forum) is vastly skewed in relation to the real world [of course this is my opinion]

I still believe we can win something this year but remain convinced that we WILL over the next nine --- and a few wins too.

So, if we sack him we ruin everything that has thus far been built and the foundation we are strengthening as we go.

I believe also that my views are closer to the vaste majority than many here think or wish to accept but such is the way of the football fan.

uta

Hard to know where to begin, firstly, a man that has kept us in with a shout, is not finishing in the top two since the 04/05 season, keeping us in with a shout? Secondly, no one is saying we should spend 100s of millions, but are you really suggesting, we put in a sufficient effort in the transfer window? This is a manager, who knew we needed a striker from the very start of the season, but still was rushing around, trying to get whoever he could on loan, before the end of the window, not to mention, signing a player who was injured before his medical, how do you defend that? Would you have thought a top four finish was acceptable every season, back in the early 00's, or was it just when Arsene proclaimed it was? Have you considered that our manager has redefined what success is, as he is no longer capable of actually achieving real success?

[Swifty]

I agree, I think Juve will be peps next stop - he can't go to Real so i think there then maybe United, Liverpool and us.

But I think he will want to win another CL with Bayern maybe 2, first.

Plus if Wenger goes upstairs he would not want a manager more successful than him. His ego couldn't cope.

I think De Boer, Remi Garde or someone like that is more likely.

If Pep isn't at Bayern for at least 4 seasons i'd be surprised. They are a fair dinkum club and he isn't Mourinho needing to prove himself over and over.

[Salvage]

All you need to do is look at Le Forehead, Vela and even Chamakh now enjoying their football at other clubs to realize that the Wenger of today , is the problem.

[p206ab]

Bloody hell, we've come so far that even Adrian Durham started to write good stuff.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... nkies.html

[Bradywasking]

I followed arsenal in the 70s and 80s and from 73 to 87 it wasn't pretty believe me. And hopefully I am around to follow Arsenal for many more years and that alone entitles me to moan when I am not happy with what is happening to the club I love. This does not elevate me or any others to the status of superfan or our longevity does not make us better fans than our younger counterparts. But the main point here is I moaned and was unhappy with the dross and relegation battles of the mid 70s and I moan about what is a criminal neglect of care and duty by our current manager. He was a great manager and he brought new ideas and freshness to Arsenal and to football, but football caught up and Wenger stood still. We craved new signings to compete with the new superpowers of Chelsea and city. we got a world class player in the Summer and on Saturday we got nothing from him, and from the manager we got flapping of arms for a non existent foul when Liverpool were scoring yet another goal.
Signing players is half the job, getting the best out of them all the time is the second part of it and maybe the hardest. Our manager is not capable of doing that. Chelsea's second string side would not capitulate the way we did on Saturday. Not because they have better players but because they have a better manager.
My opinion on our manager is that Arsenal will always go so far but ultimately fail as long as Wenger is manager. Neither the club or the manager himself will ever change that scenario. I regretfully say that for as long as Arsene Wenger wants to stay he will stay and nothing will change .
Judge my comments in May, and I genuinely hope that I am wrong.

[northbank123]

All you need to do is look at Le Forehead, Vela and even Chamakh now enjoying their football at other clubs to realize that the Wenger of today , is the problem.

It's not how they are doing at their tinpot clubs/in their Mickey Mouse league that's the damning indictment on Wenger - none of them were ever good enough to make it at the top level, not even nearly - the sorry story is the length they were at the club whilst we were crying out for a quality forward instead.

[clockender1]

All you need to do is look at Le Forehead, Vela and even Chamakh now enjoying their football at other clubs to realize that the Wenger of today , is the problem.

It's not how they are doing at their tinpot clubs/in their Mickey Mouse league that's the damning indictment on Wenger - none of them were ever good enough to make it at the top level, not even nearly - the sorry story is the length they were at the club whilst we were crying out for a quality forward instead.

Roma and Serie A are hardly tinpot Quartz - to be fair to forehead, he was consistently played out of position and a lot of pressure put on him to perform as a CF, Chamakh similarly went from bit part sub to main CF (quite succesfully) and then got dropped like a stone when RVP was fit which crushed his confidence.

AW is good at finding attacking talent, he's just very poor at managing it - did you know Giroud ha splayed more EPL minutes than any other player in the PL this year....

had we had another top class striker from 2011 onwards maybe both chamakh and gerv would have been useful bit part players rotated in and out of the team like wreh, boa morte etc.

yes, we've needed another top class striker for 4 seasons now.....

[augie]

All you need to do is look at Le Forehead, Vela and even Chamakh now enjoying their football at other clubs to realize that the Wenger of today , is the problem.

It's not how they are doing at their tinpot clubs/in their Mickey Mouse league that's the damning indictment on Wenger - none of them were ever good enough to make it at the top level, not even nearly - the sorry story is the length they were at the club whilst we were crying out for a quality forward instead.

Roma and Serie A are hardly tinpot Quartz - to be fair to forehead, he was consistently played out of position and a lot of pressure put on him to perform as a CF, Chamakh similarly went from bit part sub to main CF (quite succesfully) and then got dropped like a stone when RVP was fit which crushed his confidence.

AW is good at finding attacking talent, he's just very poor at managing it - did you know Giroud ha splayed more EPL minutes than any other player in the PL this year....

had we had another top class striker from 2011 onwards maybe both chamakh and gerv would have been useful bit part players rotated in and out of the team like wreh, boa morte etc.

yes, we've needed another top class striker for 4 seasons now.....

That's hardly possible is it ? Is it more minutes than any other Arsenal player ? Or maybe more minutes than any other outfield player in the league ? I find it hard to believe either is true if I'm honest

[Robin_L]

Blaming Wenger because Vela is playing well in Spain and Gervais likewise in Italy is naivety at its amusing best. Nothing to do with the league then, or coping with expectation, or the lifestyle, or the city. Nah, all down to Wenger.

[Salvage]

All you need to do is look at Le Forehead, Vela and even Chamakh now enjoying their football at other clubs to realize that the Wenger of today , is the problem.

It's not how they are doing at their tinpot clubs/in their Mickey Mouse league that's the damning indictment on Wenger - none of them were ever good enough to make it at the top level, not even nearly - the sorry story is the length they were at the club whilst we were crying out for a quality forward instead.

May I suggest someone like Arshavin. Arshavin carried the Russian team with unknown players through to the quarter finals of Euro 2008 where he was the orchestrator of every move when they beat a highly rated Dutch team. He was man of match in the UEFA Cup finals which Zenit won in the same year. How the same player suddenly became sh'it and dross like fans called him at the end of his stay here, is only left for Wenger to answer.

Is it a coincidence that when he went on loan to Zenit, he rediscovered form and became the pivot in the Russian team at the Euro 2012 . The whole world marveled at his creativity and enterprise during the Euro 2012 for someone who was being castigated at Arsenal and many felt that maybe Wenger would glean a few things from that tournament on how Arshavin played and play him in his rightful position, but that never happened.

I think its time we stopped calling a lot of our players sh'it(Except for maybe Giroud ) . The major questions should be addressed to Wenger on why they dwindle under his tutelage in recent years.
When Rosicky first joined from Dortmund, he could let a thunderous and accurate shot fly from yards away.You were guaranteed to see one or several excellent shots at goal from him .Now he hardly shoots at goal.

Ozil is slowly and gradually moving in that same direction. And no one can say that he is not a class act.

[clockender1]

Blaming Wenger because Vela is playing well in Spain and Gervais likewise in Italy is naivety at its amusing best. Nothing to do with the league then, or coping with expectation, or the lifestyle, or the city. .

all of which should be managed by Wenger no ?

do you think that Inter Milan and Juve were not to blame for Dennis and Henry failing in Italy then ???

[g88ner]

AW is good at finding attacking talent, he's just very poor at managing it - did you know Giroud ha splayed more EPL minutes than any other player in the PL this year....

That's hardly possible is it ? Is it more minutes than any other Arsenal player ? Or maybe more minutes than any other outfield player in the league ? I find it hard to believe either is true if I'm honest

Agreed. I don't believe that stat from Clockender for a second. Completely made up.

Edit: he's not even top at Arsenal... Chesney is. Where was that stat from Clockender?

Here's another FACT: did you know that Stompy the Elephant played the Cello in the Vienna Orchestra between 1912-1914 as their regular Cellist was on safari in Africa True. Sadly Stompy died in the war

[northbank123]

Clockender - tinpot is a bit of an exaggeration but Serie A is pretty gash.

Salvage - the extent to which Wenger is to blame for Arshavin's decline is pretty divisive - I personally blame them both in fairly equal measures. Wenger more to blame at the start but Arshavin was completely unprofessional with his (apparent) lack of motivation, his (obvious) lack of fitness and lack of work ethic. Although I don't disagree that Wenger's coaching philosophy, team selection and moreover his patented "Square Pegs Round Holes" formation has held back a number of players from producing their best for us (Podolski being a prime example). I just didn't agree with the particular examples you gave as they never had the talent to make it.

[clockender1]

Agreed. I don't believe that stat from Clockender for a second. Completely made up.

Edit: he's not even top at Arsenal... Chesney is. Where was that stat from Clockender?

Here's another FACT: did you know that Stompy the Elephant played the Cello in the Vienna Orchestra between 1912-1914 as their regular Cellist was on safari in Africa True. Sadly Stompy died in the war

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/soccer/premi ... -1.1645091

Giroud has played more minutes in the ECL and PL combined than any other outfield player. FACT

and in any case, the idea that he's been overplayed due to lack of support is still valid isn't it ?