DB10GOONER wrote:clockender1 wrote:That is such a dreadful list - father and sons together, married couples, and the Fletcher family - three generations lost together.
This sums it up for me. Reading through those names. Dads and sons. Grandads and grandkids. Families. Just horrific. I remember seeing that footage of the poor guy on fire. Jesus what a terrible tragedy it was.
As was Hillsborough. I have nothing but sympathy for those that died that day too and their families. Let's not forget the ones that died were the ones that (mostly) turned up on time, with tickets, and were crushed by the surge from behind them.
It's the way the Mousers don't acknowledge their role in the tragedy and all but ignore the fact they murdered 39 Italians that sticks in my craw. It's always some one else's fault with them. The "Justice for the 96" scarves and banners... Whilst I agree there should be justice for the dead and their families, and any culpable police and authorities should be punished, I would add should justice not also be punishing their fellow fans that arrived late pissed up and without tickets and rushed the turnstiles and that still do that same shit even today?
Justice for the 96 - I absolutely agree with that sentence. Those poor souls deserve this limited form of justice and those responsible for the deaths and the cover-ups - be they football fan, copper or politician - should be held accountable. Not that it will do anything to bring them back.
But the whole "JFT96" slogan? Most of the cretins who mindlessly tag this on to the end of every social media post to do with football don't want justice for the 96 people who died. They just want everybody to know that Liverpool FC were wronged. That there was, and is, an agenda against the club from the media, the FA, the government, anyone and everyone. It's thrown around by anyone remotely connected to the club (e.g. new foreign ressies players
) because it's a cheap and easy way to gain acceptance from the fans.
It's not the being reminded of it that irritates me, it is what the campaign now stands for. Imo the focus is so far removed from the human tragedy and it is just a web of bitterness and anger. Obviously it has particular meaning for Liverpool fans, of course it does, but to them they own the tragedy. Until they want everybody else to acknowledge it, at which point it briefly becomes a football tragedy. When really it is a human tragedy. Sadly it's now got to the point where if I see JFT96 scrawled somewhere or hear the start of a story about Hillsborough on the news I just completely zone out, it evokes nothing.
As for constant demands for a new enquiry, can you imagine any public figure having the balls to come out and place any blame on Liverpool fans? No way. I remember Paul Merson saying that he once managed to prove to GG that a letter to the club complaining about his behaviour out and about was untrue as he was abroad at the time and must have been from a rival fan. He used this excuse every time the club got a letter even though most were probably true. It seems not too dissimilar here - clearly the police have acted disgracefully and dishonestly in some ways here, therefore Liverpool claim that every single claim they made about Liverpool fans being drunk, late, aggressive etc must also be a malicious lie. There is no hope of really finding the truth if nobody has the means or the will to pursue ALL of the evidence objectively.
As I said before I think kids growing up in this era will struggle to really grasp the real tragedy of Hillsborough because the 'campaign' completely eclipses the event nowadays. Which is a travesty and a great shame.
