Goodbye Sagna

[QuartzGooner]

Donaldo

Sagna was offered a one year deal initially.
But this was changed to a two or three year deal, at about £20,000 - £40,000 per week less than City, depending which paper you read.

[g88ner]

So Sagna joins the long list of players who see no problem whatsoever in joining one of our direct rivals

RVP, Cesc (both former captains ffs! ), Cashley, Nasri, Toure, Clichy, Adebayor and now Sagna.

I seriously worry what sort of education they're getting at Arsenal. None of them seem to think there's anything wrong with playing for Citeh, Chavs or ManUre. Hell, we're lucky Sp*rs are shite, because I doubt they'd think twice about signing for them either!

It's indicative of Arsene FC, where players are pampered and never challenged or criticised. Hell, RVP got a handshake from Vermaelen, chased by a momento hunting starstruck groupie in Santos, and a hug ON THE OLD TRAFFORD PITCH from Wenger even though we were losing 1-0 to a RVP goal!

Wenger's new contract means 3 more years of this. 3 more years of our players looking up the road to Chelsea, Citeh and United and seeing them as genuine future employers rather than bitter rivals.

Quite frankly, I'm Sick of it.

[Gunnersaurus]

I must admit I'm not getting the Sagna love in, he ran his contract down and left for more money to sit on the bench, does he not qualify as a mercinary then?

He was a great servant because he was paid well to be, being proffesional should be a minimal requirement along with being able to kick a ball.

Total bullshit.He ran his contract down because the board under the instructions of Wenger offered him a one year deal.A one year deal to one of our most consistent players.

I bet you didnt like Sol Campbell because in your words he was a mercenary and you call Flamini a mercenary.Loyalty cuts both ways

Mark my words if Rambo has another great season and we finish 4th or worse he will be off.And you will call him a mercenary

..and how exactly do you know this? Wasn't they arguing over the wages because allegedly he was offered 80k at 31 which is more than reasonable but he took the 150K a week?

I'm pretty certain Wenger wanted to keep him but for once he/the club is right on this, I imagine people on here would be pulling their hair out of the club paid a 31 year old with 2 broken legs behind him and clearly winding down over 100k a week and tied him down for a further 3 years because after one we would be needing to think about replacing him, people were irate when Walcott wanted 100K and he had his whole career infront of him.

As you say, it cuts both ways.

If Ramsey leaves no one could ever hold it against him because he was treated like dogshit for 18 months and to his credit made us all look muggy, dont use him as any way of jusifying your point, he would have every right to want to move and no one could say anything.

[scotgooner]

So Sagna joins the long list of players who see no problem whatsoever in joining one of our direct rivals

RVP, Cesc (both former captains ffs! ), Cashley, Nasri, Toure, Clichy, Adebayor and now Sagna.

I seriously worry what sort of education they're getting at Arsenal. None of them seem to think there's anything wrong with playing for Citeh, Chavs or ManUre. Hell, we're lucky Sp*rs are shite, because I doubt they'd think twice about signing for them either!

It's indicative of Arsene FC, where players are pampered and never challenged or criticised. Hell, RVP got a handshake from Vermaelen, chased by a momento hunting starstruck groupie in Santos, and a hug ON THE OLD TRAFFORD PITCH from Wenger even though we were losing 1-0 to a RVP goal!

Wenger's new contract means 3 more years of this. 3 more years of our players looking up the road to Chelsea, Citeh and United and seeing them as genuine future employers rather than bitter rivals.

Quite frankly, I'm Sick of it.

Great post , totally agree!

Sad but true

[Peeman]

So Sagna joins the long list of players who see no problem whatsoever in joining one of our direct rivals

RVP, Cesc (both former captains ffs! ), Cashley, Nasri, Toure, Clichy, Adebayor and now Sagna.

I seriously worry what sort of education they're getting at Arsenal. None of them seem to think there's anything wrong with playing for Citeh, Chavs or ManUre. Hell, we're lucky Sp*rs are shite, because I doubt they'd think twice about signing for them either!

It's indicative of Arsene FC, where players are pampered and never challenged or criticised. Hell, RVP got a handshake from Vermaelen, chased by a momento hunting starstruck groupie in Santos, and a hug ON THE OLD TRAFFORD PITCH from Wenger even though we were losing 1-0 to a RVP goal!

Wenger's new contract means 3 more years of this. 3 more years of our players looking up the road to Chelsea, Citeh and United and seeing them as genuine future employers rather than bitter rivals.

Quite frankly, I'm Sick of it.

100% Agreed

[VAVAVOOM 14]

If Ramsey leaves no one could ever hold it against him because he was treated like dogshit for 18 months and to his credit made us all look muggy, dont use him as any way of jusifying your point, he would have every right to want to move and no one could say anything.

So basically you're saying because Ramsey received some stick in the past he could leave for more money and no one could bat an eye, but if a player who hadn't received any stick left for more money they're mercenaries?

Logic is extremely flawed. A mercenary is a mercenary: if Ramsey left two years from now in pursuit of more lucrative wages and then you tried to justify/rationalize his departure citing the booing he received 4 years previously don't you think that'd look a bit daft?

[Gunnersaurus]

If Ramsey leaves no one could ever hold it against him because he was treated like dogshit for 18 months and to his credit made us all look muggy, dont use him as any way of jusifying your point, he would have every right to want to move and no one could say anything.

So basically you're saying because Ramsey received some stick in the past he could leave for more money and no one could bat an eye, but if a player who hadn't received any stick left for more money they're mercenaries?

Logic is extremely flawed. A mercenary is a mercenary: if Ramsey left two years from now in pursuit of more lucrative wages and then you tried to justify/rationalize his departure citing the booing he received 4 years previously don't you think that'd look a bit daft?

Im not justifying it Im just say no one would really have a right to be angry due to the way he was abused (and he did get abuse) he was not supported here while we have reason to feel let down by the rest and that can't he re written even if people are loving him now (and im one that wanted him gone and bitched when he got a payrise) if I was him I would be off not motivated by more money (but its obvious he wont move for less) but just to stick 2 fingers up and say look now, its called principle and self respect.

Very few players leave for less money so to link it to being a mercinary is a bit odd but when you are 31 and wanting to stay at a club where you are a first team regular to than take 70k or more a week to sit on the bench you have to ask questions about their mindset, principles and self respect.

Nice pension though so fair play to him but he like all the rest have moved on for the bigger money which you cant blame them for but lets not dress it up to be anything else, players have used the line about wanting to win trophies, a) he just won one, b)he will play very little part in winning more so his move is questionable, he doesnt deserve animosity but he certainly doesnt deserve to have his arse licked like some are doing, hes had 2 broken legs and the club made him a very good offer given his age and injury record on that leg.

The issue is not him leaving anyway, good luck to him, the issue is that he will not be adequately replaced.

[Kallstrom29]

I hope the chumps who sang "bacary sagna we want you to stay" feel like mugs now. To pay a player like him in excess of £100,000 a week is nuts. If he wants to chase the money and not accept a fair wage then I say good riddance.

Look at someone like Arteta who took a paycut to join us. I'd rather have him (even though he is passed it) playing in defence than paying Sagna more than £100k a week!

[VAVAVOOM 14]

if I was him I would be off not motivated by more money (but its obvious he wont move for less) but just to stick 2 fingers up and say look now, its called principle and self respect.

If Ramsey were to act in the aforementioned matter - leaving Arsenal as a matter of "principle" and "self-respect" - he would've had to have done it the season after he received so much abuse. If he were to leave now - as he's developed into a world class talent - and then claim he did it on principle, it'd obviously be insincere.

If he had a problem with it he would've acted at the time, leaving in the future and blaming it on his past treatment wouldn't be genuine at all.

[SteveO 35]

I hope the chumps who sang "bacary sagna we want you to stay" feel like mugs now. To pay a player like him in excess of £100,000 a week is nuts. If he wants to chase the money and not accept a fair wage then I say good riddance.

Look at someone like Arteta who took a paycut to join us. I'd rather have him (even though he is passed it) playing in defence than paying Sagna more than £100k a week!

When I went to the FA Cup parade I couldn't believe how many grown men were singing that. There's certain songs like that and "same old Arsenal always cheating" where I'm genuinely shocked that anyone over primary school age can actually join in without thinking...."err...don't I ever so slightly look like a total cock?"

[Kallstrom29]

When I went to the FA Cup parade I couldn't believe how many grown men were singing that. There's certain songs like that and "same old Arsenal always cheating" where I'm genuinely shocked that anyone over primary school age can actually join in without thinking...."err...don't I ever so slightly look like a total cock?"

Couldn't agree more with you. On second thoughts, the only possible acceptable reason for singing that is if a grown man is gutted we won't be seeing Sagna's tasty bird at the end of season lap of honour in future. He has done well for himself. Must be that magnetic charisma he has

[T.S]

Yeah, because you'd all turn down a chance to go to a more ambitious company and make more money.

Christ, everyone stop being so bloody precious about this. You've got two choices; accept that this is modern football now and get over it, or be pissed off. Forever.

If Jack Wilshere has one good (entire) season, he'll be off to Chelsea. You might as well start preparing for it now.

[augie]

So Sagna joins the long list of players who see no problem whatsoever in joining one of our direct rivals

RVP, Cesc (both former captains ffs! ), Cashley, Nasri, Toure, Clichy, Adebayor and now Sagna.

I seriously worry what sort of education they're getting at Arsenal. None of them seem to think there's anything wrong with playing for Citeh, Chavs or ManUre. Hell, we're lucky Sp*rs are shite, because I doubt they'd think twice about signing for them either!

It's indicative of Arsene FC, where players are pampered and never challenged or criticised. Hell, RVP got a handshake from Vermaelen, chased by a momento hunting starstruck groupie in Santos, and a hug ON THE OLD TRAFFORD PITCH from Wenger even though we were losing 1-0 to a RVP goal!

Wenger's new contract means 3 more years of this. 3 more years of our players looking up the road to Chelsea, Citeh and United and seeing them as genuine future employers rather than bitter rivals.

Quite frankly, I'm Sick of it.

I agree with most of that except for the bit referring to the education the players are getting within our club - for me, when you continually sell your best players (witout properly replacing them) you are sending a message loud and clear to the players that there is zero ambition within the club. These players will start looking at themselves and their team-mates, as nothing more than commodities that are used as a source of income for the club - if you were a player within AFC that felt like that, would you feel any sense of loyalty to the club ? Some clubs show their importance to players by building a team around them, but our players are shown by the club that their main worth to us is when they are sold. If I was a player in those circumstances, then I would want to control my future and go to a club that will pay me well and who wants to win trophies and who are buying me to help win those trophies and not just be a financial investment for the club.

There is a selling club ethose running right through our club these days and no longer can we continue to blame players for leaving us or not wanting to join us

[g88ner]

Yeah, because you'd all turn down a chance to go to a more ambitious company and make more money.

Christ, everyone stop being so bloody precious about this. You've got two choices; accept that this is modern football now and get over it, or be pissed off. Forever.

If Jack Wilshere has one good (entire) season, he'll be off to Chelsea. You might as well start preparing for it now.

It's not that simple though is it?

Moving to a more ambitious company where you can earn more money is normal and all part of the career ladder many of us are on.

However, whether it's sport or business, if you move to a company that is a direct rival on your own patch and your success has a clear detrimental impact on your former employers, then it's clearly not simply about being "precious" and unreasonable.

There's an understandable exasperation that many years good, honest service can be wiped out and that club/company that was your home and life, is now your competition and rival. It's unnatural to be in that position and can't be good for the soul knowing you're harming your former employer whom you like and have fond memories for.

I don't go in for all the hating and booing former players, but it doesn't sit well with me at all and when you see RVP being warmly greeted by Arsenal players in the Old Trafford tunnel, and Santos chasing him for his shirt, and Wenger hugging him at half time, even though it we were 1-0 down to a RVP goal you realise that none of them at the club are educating the players that these clubs are bitter rivals and games against them are not fun days out to be enjoyed and should be seen as going to war against the enemy.

So is it any surprise the players don't see these clubs as rivals? - we don't educate them that way so it's no wonder our players move to citeh, chavs and manure on an almost annual basis. We're lucky Sp*rs are shit, because I'm sure our players would be heading there too.

[SteveO 35]

When I went to the FA Cup parade I couldn't believe how many grown men were singing that. There's certain songs like that and "same old Arsenal always cheating" where I'm genuinely shocked that anyone over primary school age can actually join in without thinking...."err...don't I ever so slightly look like a total cock?"

Couldn't agree more with you. On second thoughts, the only possible acceptable reason for singing that is if a grown man is gutted we won't be seeing Sagna's tasty bird at the end of season lap of honour in future. He has done well for himself. Must be that magnetic charisma he has

Singing "we want you to stay", "same old Arsenal always cheating", wearing a shirt with a player's name and number on it, singing pathetic songs about Munich / Hillsborough / any other disaster, shouting out the players surnames when the teams are announced, waving your arms around like a demented c u n t when you spot yourself on the big screen

If you answered 'yes' to any of the above and you are over the age of 25 do you travel to games on a 'special bus'?