THE WENGER THREAD

[flash gunner]

Arsene Wenger has just announced that as he has managed more Capital One Cup games than Herbert Chapman he now is the greatest manager in the history of the Club.

EIGHTEEN years and his most successful season in this was when we lost to Birmingham City in the final !
one Arsene Wenger, there's only one Arsene Wenger!

What??? You're using the reserve team cup to judge Wenger?

I want him gone but lets use the genuine reasons he's had it, theres enough of them, not shite ones

[OneBardGooner]

Enough Is Enough.............I love The Arsenal ...but my feelings for Wenger are now only of the Negative kind...I don't want to be or feel that way, but he has left me No Option - the longer he goes on the worse things will get in terms to real success - the art of winning trophies and titles.

I have far more important things to dedicate my time and energy to, than to a cause that is lost and to a once great (classy) football club, that has now become a franchise that is (and under the present management and ownership) always will be interested more in finacial gain than becoming the best in football and the Winners of Trophies

This just goes beyond anger and sadness - it just makes me feel and want to say;

Just FuckOff Wenger
Just FuckOff Kroenke
Just...Just Fuckoff all you AKB sheeple apologists, excuse making *word censored*.s, you *word censored*.s do not have the ability to percieve what is happening or to concieve your own thoughts and understanding of what has happened to a once great, great Football Club.

[Clash]

...and they should be then shown dvds of the games where we won trophies prior to his arrival - they should be made pay special attention to the one's we won under GG so that they might actually realise that the french c.unt had actually inherited a team who knew how to win trophies before he came along and he hadnt actually lifted us from football's wastelands

I'm winding down at work before Christmas so decided to put together some Graham v Wenger statistics.

These do not include the 94/95 as Graham didnt complete the season but it does include 96/97 for Wenger as all trophies were still to play for when he arrived:


Seasons
Graham - 8
Wenger- 18


Trophies won
Graham - 6
Wenger - 8


Seasons ending with a trophy
Graham - 5 from 8 (62.50%)
Wenger - 6 from 18 (33.33%)


Success rate (e.g. trophies won against trophies available to compete for)
Graham - 6 trophies from a possible 26 = 23.08% ( first 5 seasons English teams banned in Europe)
Wenger - 8 trophies from a possible 72 = 11.11%


Cup Finals Apperances / Wins
Graham - 5 (won 4) Win ratio = 80%
Wenger - 10 (won 5) Win ratio = 50%


Cup final appearance per season
Graham - 5 from 8 seasons = 62.5%
Wenger - 10 from 18 seasons = 55.56%


Many people will simply say Wenger's 8 trophies to Graham's 6 means Wenger is our most successful manager.

But considering Wenger has to date had 10 more seasons than Graham and an extra 46 trophies to compete for - then for me it is George Graham.

[augie]

Newcastle - we won - so what? so we fucking should with our resources compared to them

So it's all down to resources? Rubbish, if that's the case we might as well give up and let city and chav win everything. The whole point of replacing Wenger is we could get a better manager/tactitian who could compete with less resources

Never mind getting a tactical manager to compete with citeeh and the chavs, I would be happy with a tactical manager that can compete with stoke, leicester and hull

[flash gunner]

Newcastle - we won - so what? so we fucking should with our resources compared to them

So it's all down to resources? Rubbish, if that's the case we might as well give up and let city and chav win everything. The whole point of replacing Wenger is we could get a better manager/tactitian who could compete with less resources

Never mind getting a tactical manager to compete with citeeh and the chavs, I would be happy with a tactical manager that can compete with stoke, leicester and hull

Yeah that too

[LaughingGooner]

...and they should be then shown dvds of the games where we won trophies prior to his arrival - they should be made pay special attention to the one's we won under GG so that they might actually realise that the french c.unt had actually inherited a team who knew how to win trophies before he came along and he hadnt actually lifted us from football's wastelands

I'm winding down at work before Christmas so decided to put together some Graham v Wenger statistics.

These do not include the 94/95 as Graham didnt complete the season but it does include 96/97 for Wenger as all trophies were still to play for when he arrived:


Seasons
Graham - 8
Wenger- 18


Trophies won
Graham - 6
Wenger - 8


Seasons ending with a trophy
Graham - 5 from 8 (62.50%)
Wenger - 6 from 18 (33.33%)


Success rate (e.g. trophies won against trophies available to compete for)
Graham - 6 trophies from a possible 26 = 23.08% ( first 5 seasons English teams banned in Europe)
Wenger - 8 trophies from a possible 72 = 11.11%


Cup Finals Apperances / Wins
Graham - 5 (won 4) Win ratio = 80%
Wenger - 10 (won 5) Win ratio = 50%


Cup final appearance per season
Graham - 5 from 8 seasons = 62.5%
Wenger - 10 from 18 seasons = 55.56%


Many people will simply say Wenger's 8 trophies to Graham's 6 means Wenger is our most successful manager.

But considering Wenger has to date had 10 more seasons than Graham and an extra 46 trophies to compete for - then for me it is George Graham.

Think you need get out a bit mate...

[OneBardGooner]

But he Does Have a Point!

[Clash]

Think you need get out a bit mate...

What on a Monday morning?

[Ikechukwu1]

Why is afcforever not an Arsenal fan?

Not everyone on here wants to publicly abuse Wenger.

And yet the guy that comes on here and only posts hatred for the club is genuine Arsenal to some, huh?

Out of interest, where is BlahBlahitchycoo since the Toon game? What's wrong, did we play too much good football? Score a few too many quality goals?

Yep someone on here who hates Arsenal and knocks us at any opportunity is a real Gooner and someone who clearly loves Arsenal and isn't desperately unhappy with things is a chav wum

Another day on the OG forum

LMAO
Funny that. I was on the forum immediately after the Geordie game and during it
But yeah that's me told. I look a right plum with my overt criticism of Arsene eh? A wage bill of over £150m manages a home win v the Geordies, and another v the worst team in Europe and errrrm...yep that's right! There was "too much" good football, it was like watching Real Madrid, or Barca.
Of course, as ever, all the Wenger haters are now relics of a bygone era.
Dear Christ imagine how foolish my abuse of Arsene is going to look after we put 6 past Leicester at home later in the season

[GoonerMuzz]

Come now Clash, lets not allow facts and logic get in the way of Myths and Legends, Wenger is obviously the far better manager, after all look at the number of years he's ensured CL qualification!

[flash gunner]

Why is afcforever not an Arsenal fan?

Not everyone on here wants to publicly abuse Wenger.

And yet the guy that comes on here and only posts hatred for the club is genuine Arsenal to some, huh?

Out of interest, where is BlahBlahitchycoo since the Toon game? What's wrong, did we play too much good football? Score a few too many quality goals?

Yep someone on here who hates Arsenal and knocks us at any opportunity is a real Gooner and someone who clearly loves Arsenal and isn't desperately unhappy with things is a chav wum

Another day on the OG forum

LMAO
Funny that. I was on the forum immediately after the Geordie game and during it
But yeah that's me told. I look a right plum with my overt criticism of Arsene eh? A wage bill of over £150m manages a home win v the Geordies, and another v the worst team in Europe and errrrm...yep that's right! There was "too much" good football, it was like watching Real Madrid, or Barca.
Of course, as ever, all the Wenger haters are now relics of a bygone era.
Dear Christ imagine how foolish my abuse of Arsene is going to look after we put 6 past Leicester at home later in the season

Still going on about your abuse at a game of Wenger? I remember you said exactly the same thing 2-3 years ago Baba I think it was a QPR game that you said you would chucked out of after shouting abuse but you didn't tell us how it went after

[foxinthebox2001]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... ve-respect
So he thinks 99.9% of our fans has respect for him.
Delusional as ever.
A lot has been written and said by journos about the 'only one..' chant, but I am sure there were also boos in response to it.
Can anyone of the 59k+ (allegedly) at the game confirm this?

[A11M11]

North Bank Lower , the chant came up twice around 85 minutes . It was certainly not universal and I would think probably 15% were singing it. The rest were either ambivalent or heading for the Arsenal station queue.

[BFG4]

...and they should be then shown dvds of the games where we won trophies prior to his arrival - they should be made pay special attention to the one's we won under GG so that they might actually realise that the french c.unt had actually inherited a team who knew how to win trophies before he came along and he hadnt actually lifted us from football's wastelands

I'm winding down at work before Christmas so decided to put together some Graham v Wenger statistics.

These do not include the 94/95 as Graham didnt complete the season but it does include 96/97 for Wenger as all trophies were still to play for when he arrived:


Seasons
Graham - 8
Wenger- 18


Trophies won
Graham - 6
Wenger - 8


Seasons ending with a trophy
Graham - 5 from 8 (62.50%)
Wenger - 6 from 18 (33.33%)


Success rate (e.g. trophies won against trophies available to compete for)
Graham - 6 trophies from a possible 26 = 23.08% ( first 5 seasons English teams banned in Europe)
Wenger - 8 trophies from a possible 72 = 11.11%


Cup Finals Apperances / Wins
Graham - 5 (won 4) Win ratio = 80%
Wenger - 10 (won 5) Win ratio = 50%


Cup final appearance per season
Graham - 5 from 8 seasons = 62.5%
Wenger - 10 from 18 seasons = 55.56%


Many people will simply say Wenger's 8 trophies to Graham's 6 means Wenger is our most successful manager.

But considering Wenger has to date had 10 more seasons than Graham and an extra 46 trophies to compete for - then for me it is George Graham.

Think you need get out a bit mate...

Said while posting in an online forum

[BFG4]

How many of the top clubs in Europe would take Wenger this season or at the end of the season?

I know that almost all of the "also-ran" sides (Liverpool) would take him tomorrow, but of the title challengers in each country who would have him?

If top jobs became available tomorrow (for example, if Guardiola had to leave Bayern for person reasons), who'd take him on?

I would imagine he would get any job he wanted on the world. Seriously and it's possible he would do really well with them. Things have gone stale at Arsenal and have been for 5 years or more but hes a decent manager and at another club he could do well IMO

I disagree completely. He used to be a good manager. The reality is that if you judge him since 2006, he is an average manager. Your characterisation of 'decent' is that he is able to finish above a bunch of mediocre teams, and come no where near challenging teams with actual quality. If he went somewhere else, he would have no tactics, which is obviously a must in every day football. He would penny pinch over signings also. I admit that if he went somewhere else, he would be highly respected by the players he was coaching, but after experiencing his shit management for long enough, they would lose respect for him.