DB10GOONER wrote:officepest wrote:They are kids though, aren't they?
Chances are they will find the reality of their 'jihad' very different from their internet-cosy fantasy version, and will regret going as soon as they hit Syria.
I'm all for condemning their stupid actions, but the wider question is how, as a society, do we stop these kids from becoming so disillusioned that they think shacking up with these murdering scumbags is the answer?
officepest is right - they are kids. I think 2 are only 15 years old! Christ, most 15 year olds now days are like 5 year olds. They have no concept of what the real world is like. These 3 kids have made the biggest mistake of their lives, all based on a false fantasy of romantic jihad. The reality is they will most likely be raped and used as servants/slaves.
I feel it is here that the wider Muslim community in the UK and Oireland (we have more Irish based jihadist per head per capita travelling out there than any other country in Europe apparently!
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) need to do more to educate their kids and dispell this myth of the romantic heroic jihad.
'false fantasy of romantic jihad' in what way has the british media reflected it as such? burning alive, beheadings, if that is someones, even a 15 year olds idea of romanticism, then seriously what hope is there.
the wider muslim community don't say anywhere near enough. why?
camerons/eric pickles letter to muslim civil leaders saying they should do more was a bare minimum and extremely mild, and yet, many, supposed moderate muslims, out cried that it was unfair that they were being singled out and over many aspects of the letter. that sums it up really.
its only a matter of time before there are further attacks in london/uk as a whole. eventually they will go to far and something will give in this country and other countries that suffer. france will likely have the NF in and then it could kick off big time.
huntingtons thesis was correct. we are living it and it will only get worse in the medium/short term
i can't see any way to avoid this, even if the west withdrew completely from the middle east, i think there would still be attacks, and a global jihad. the only thing stopping that is the internal divisions in islam.
the west dhould not have got rid of saddam, lybia was even worse, and thankfully we didnt topple assad as things would be even worse than they are now had we. if anything we should have helped assad.
these countires need strongman leaders to maintain order and uneasy co existence in their factioned populaces. they dont adhere to western ideals and they are often brutal and persecute sections of their countries, all nasty, distasteful actions, but the alternative is utter chaos and far far greater threat to ourselves in the west.
syria is a tragedy. it used to be a nice, fairly moderate/liberal, fairly secular (for the region) place, with most of the population living a decent standard of life. since certain, factions (agitated and led by al quaeda and isis under cover of 'free syrians' started causing trouble, and were misguidedly covertly aided by the west, its a complete cluster 'fuck. had we helped assad the whole isis thing would have been nipped in the bud or at the very least been a lot smaller and confined to northern iraq and have nowhere near the momentum and coverage it does now. had we helped the rebels (or the moderate rebels...) isis would be in an even stronger position with no assad resisting them.
egypt thankfully has so far stopped falling into the same trend thanks to the army being strong and moderate and not allowing it.