As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Ikechukwu1 wrote:Maybe with the game poised at 1-0 to them they should have chucked 8 outfield players in the opposition half? And then conceded 3 on the break and end up drawing 4-4 or something - I mean, that's what fans pay for right? It's hilarious reading Gooners talk about how the Chavs fans are not getting value for money. This from the team with the most expensive ST in Europe and yet had come nowhere hear a title in over a decade
If getting value for money is watching the same predictable collapses year after year, as Monaco pump you at home, then no thanks! .
Have you forgotten your med's again Itchybaba? You're getting quite tiresome now. See you next season.
Ikechukwu1 wrote:Maybe with the game poised at 1-0 to them they should have chucked 8 outfield players in the opposition half? And then conceded 3 on the break and end up drawing 4-4 or something - I mean, that's what fans pay for right? It's hilarious reading Gooners talk about how the Chavs fans are not getting value for money. This from the team with the most expensive ST in Europe and yet had come nowhere hear a title in over a decade
If getting value for money is watching the same predictable collapses year after year, as Monaco pump you at home, then no thanks! .
I think with the amount of money Chelsea have spent and the players they've got at their disposal I feel they should be offering more to football than what they do.
Can you imagine Hazard, Oscar or Diego Costa playing at Bayern or Real Madrid. They'd be a joy to watch. As it stands they are playing for Chelsea who restrict their talents and play functional. It has come back to bite them this season. The PSG game was there for the taking if they'd actually attacked rather than look to sit back. Same when they went away to Manchester United. Can you imagine one of the other big sides in Europe ever playing like that...I can't.
Under Ancelotti Chelsea played some brilliant football and my hatred to them softened slightly. They've won the league, fair play to them but they're a complete and utter stain on the sport.
armchair wrote:Mourinho is a winner. That coupled with the fact hes arrogant about it means everyone apart from Chelsea fans and me, it seems, hates him. I wish we were as "boring" as Chelsea. I certaintly wish we had a manager with a winning mentality and was more "Mourinho-like" instead of the mediocrity we've endured for a decade.
We really should stop crying about money and history. Its embarrassing
Its pathetic when some of our fans take the moral high ground over the money argument. Chelsea are horrible wankers, but Abramovich pumped serious money into making them a success, and did so knowing that he would make a huge loss. Contrast his actions with that of silent Stan, who doesn't give a shit about the team being successful, just as long as we turn a profit. If being financially doped means having an owner that actually gives a fuck about winning things then I don't see a problem with it.
This Is The Daybreak wrote:I think with the amount of money Chelsea have spent and the players they've got at their disposal I feel they should be offering more to football than what they do.
Can you imagine Hazard, Oscar or Diego Costa playing at Bayern or Real Madrid. They'd be a joy to watch. As it stands they are playing for Chelsea who restrict their talents and play functional. It has come back to bite them this season. The PSG game was there for the taking if they'd actually attacked rather than look to sit back. Same when they went away to Manchester United. Can you imagine one of the other big sides in Europe ever playing like that...I can't.
Under Ancelotti Chelsea played some brilliant football and my hatred to them softened slightly. They've won the league, fair play to them but they're a complete and utter stain on the sport.
I'm in the group that believes when you when trophies then it matters not how you won them, but at the same time I do 100% agree with that - a team consisting of talents like cesc, hazard, will I am etc, should play far better football because they have the quality of the players to do so. Moaninho is not being asked to transform ordinary players into top quality one's or anything, but he def puts a straight jacket on them and expects them to be functional more than anything else. People forget that the fall out between moaninho and abramovich a few years ago, centred on the portugese cnuts refusal to build an entertaining team despite the millions that he spent - the Russian will enjoy the trophies he brings to the club in the next two seasons, but he will lose patience with moaninho again as his football prevents the chavs ever becoming popular and respected/viewed as a big club.
However I will say again that the number priority for a fan should be to win trophies and if that is done with entertaining football then great, but if it is won by playing functional football then so be it
Had we bought Fabregas instead of letting him go to the chavs - we just might have been celebrating instead....still there's always the infamy of 2nd, 3rd or 4th.....
OneBardGooner wrote:Had we bought Fabregas instead of letting him go to the chavs - we just might have been celebrating instead....still there's always the infamy of 2nd, 3rd or 4th.....
wenger knows - fuck all.
It wouldn't matter who we have in our squad, Wenger will play players out of position, and have zero understanding of tactics, while due to out of date medical practices, our main players will spend chunks of the season on the treatment table. Our squad isn't perfect, but if Mourinho was managing us, there is a good chance we could of won the league this season.
Boringly consistent but did we mind when GG's teams ground out 1-0 wins with Wrighty poaching a goal on the break and then letting the famous back five close out the game?
Chelsea will never win neutral admirers but I don't expect they care any more than we did when opposition fans sang "Boring Boring Arsenal" (which for those who started watching in 1996, actually used to happen !). In fact I used to love it when oppo fans sang it to us...it usually meant we were winning and that they had no answer to it
SteveO 35 wrote:Boringly consistent but did we mind when GG's teams ground out 1-0 wins with Wrighty poaching a goal on the break and then letting the famous back five close out the game?
Chelsea will never win neutral admirers but I don't expect they care any more than we did when opposition fans sang "Boring Boring Arsenal" (which for those who started watching in 1996, actually used to happen !). In fact I used to love it when oppo fans sang it to us...it usually meant we were winning and that they had no answer to it
Add in the FACT that the most tedious cup final in living memory was our 0-0 with Man Utd under "expansive football" Wenker and we have no moral high ground from which to preach from at all.
One word to all the people that have said Mourinho is only successful due to money - PORTO. He won the UEFA Cup in 2003, followed by the Champions League in 2004 with (in European terms) a footballing minnow. We can hate him, call him classless, call him boring as much as we want but he is a winner.
Some of the football we player under George Graham was very similar but I loved watching us win 1-0 as we moved closer to yet another trophy.
If Mourinho was our manager, we'd probably all find a way to love him.
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:One word to all the people that have said Mourinho is only successful due to money - PORTO. He won the UEFA Cup in 2003, followed by the Champions League in 2004 with (in European terms) a footballing minnow. We can hate him, call him classless, call him boring as much as we want but he is a winner.
Some of the football we player under George Graham was very similar but I loved watching us win 1-0 as we moved closer to yet another trophy.
If Mourinho was our manager, we'd probably all find a way to love him.
And Greece won the European championships but that tells me that, even in the modern era, freak results like that happen. You gotta remember that his porto team were easily the best team in their own league at that time, and they were able to win their domestic league at a canter - this no doubt helps them with they face opponents who might be physically and mentally drained from the efforts in their gruelling domestic competitions. This becomes even more vital when your team plays defensive containment football against tired teams who find it harder to break them down.
That is not me rubbishing porto's success in the champs league that season cos it was still a great achievement, but it also shouldn't be ignored that for all the money he spent at the chavs over the years, he has never come close to winning the champs league with them - his tactics wouldn't have changed but the quality of the players he had at his disposal had improved, and yet he still didn't come close
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:One word to all the people that have said Mourinho is only successful due to money - PORTO. He won the UEFA Cup in 2003, followed by the Champions League in 2004 with (in European terms) a footballing minnow. We can hate him, call him classless, call him boring as much as we want but he is a winner.
Some of the football we player under George Graham was very similar but I loved watching us win 1-0 as we moved closer to yet another trophy.
If Mourinho was our manager, we'd probably all find a way to love him.
And Greece won the European championships but that tells me that, even in the modern era, freak results like that happen. You gotta remember that his porto team were easily the best team in their own league at that time, and they were able to win their domestic league at a canter - this no doubt helps them with they face opponents who might be physically and mentally drained from the efforts in their gruelling domestic competitions. This becomes even more vital when your team plays defensive containment football against tired teams who find it harder to break them down.
That is not me rubbishing porto's success in the champs league that season cos it was still a great achievement, but it also shouldn't be ignored that for all the money he spent at the chavs over the years, he has never come close to winning the champs league with them - his tactics wouldn't have changed but the quality of the players he had at his disposal had improved, and yet he still didn't come close
Agree with most of that Augie but you can't call 2 European trophies in 2 seasons a freak.
For all his faults, Mourinho is the modern day equivalent of the brilliant George Graham - in that you would back one of his teams to get a result on any ground, against any opposition. There are very few managers in the world you can say that about.
