I do wish he'd drop the pretence and just admit he's Baba. It's been obvious for a very long time.Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:Don't understand everyone's hate with Ike. His post is 100% accurate.
armchair wrote:Its the clique mate. God forbid you fall foul of the clique.Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:Don't understand everyone's hate with Ike. His post is 100% accurate.
Or sometimes known as "The Council of the Sages"
Ikechukwu1 wrote: I read in last night's Evening Standard that the Spuds are set to reward Delle Alli's form by doubling his pay. He will go from £10k to £20k a week now.
Reading that, I was absolutely gobsmacked but then again, it makes sense how we spend more than double what the Spuds do on wages. Players like Delle Alli and Alderweireld are getting less than £30k a week in wages - meanwhile there's talk our latest Egyptian farming friend from Swiss football will be earning £60k a week
That's credible when you see Giroud (£130k), Wankpot (£140k), Coquelin (£60k and for what?), Gibbs (£60k), Ox (£60k for a guy who just gets worse) and that's without even going into 80k Arteta and Rosicknote
I'm constantly amazed at people who talk about what a financial "genius" Arsene is because in any other industry paying such above-market rate wages for dross that fails persistently, would have you sectioned or sacked. Arsenal could have a world class holding mid, a world class centre back (instead of the German pussy) and of course, an outstanding striker of top quality (I'd take Lukaku in a heartbeat, or we could easily get Griezmann on those wages).
It's another example of how incredibly wasteful and badly/irresponsibly Wenker is running this club which is NOT his. Arsenal should be bigger than this cock, we are not Crewe Alexandra being held together by Dario Gradi FFS. We should be able to sack and replace any underperforming circus act with a superior one. But we demean ourselves by making Wenger bigger than the club - and make no mistake, Wenker is bigger than AFC. Which is pathetic. Unsackable, unaccountable, in charge of transfers, in charge of training and academy appointments, in charge of which CEO is appointed, attends board meetings FFS.
officepest wrote:I do wish he'd drop the pretence and just admit he's Baba. It's been obvious for a very long time.Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:Don't understand everyone's hate with Ike. His post is 100% accurate.
Come on Ike, out yourself.
....or will that mean the mods unleash the banana hammer again?
Spot onSean wrote:I certainly didn't expect us to win every single league title since we moved to Cashburton, I just expected TOF to see us over the line in 2008, 2010, 2011 and 2014. We have a great chance to win the title this year, but recent history suggests that TOF will fuck it up again, given the underwhelming summer window and what will prove to be an underwhelming January window.
God forbid I actually expect a man who is taking home a king's ransom to, you know... actually do his fucking job after almost ten years outside the top two in the league and had nine years without a trophy. I expect him not to overpay bang average players and kids who proved nothing yet in the grand scheme of things. I expect him not to make pre-arranged, predictable substitutions that have only a vague bearing on how the match is going. I expect him to sign talented players that upgrade what we currently have in the first team. I expect him to coach the players on something more than passing and I expect him to give instructions to the players during the match that might actually help us to achieve the results we need to achieve.
Not much to ask, is it? I think what I am describing is the fundamental duties of a football manager, amongst other things.
TOF used to do some of those things, either that or DD pushed him to. Now he seems to be a bank manager who only coaches tippy-tappy gutless shite.
The only sheep are the AKB as well as the Tarquins and tourists at Cashburton.LaughingGooner wrote:Yep, brilliant post. You'll be very popular here if you continue following the sheep on here.......officepest wrote:More unvarnished sense from Sean, as usual.
You should post more often mate, you're definitely one of the best of the newer members to have joined.
Absolutely. The rest of your post is spot on.GoonerMuzz wrote:I wonder where exactly all this wonderful management over the last 10 years actually is, here's a clue for the Wenger apologists the man is supposed to be a football manager not a bank manager.
It's no secret that we overpay players and waste money. I wouldn't mind having that Socialist Wage Policy if I got £50-60K per week regardless of performance.Ikechukwu1 wrote:I read in last night's Evening Standard that the Spuds are set to reward Delle Alli's form by doubling his pay. He will go from £10k to £20k a week now.
No I'm not having this revisionismxisstential wrote:Looking at the wreckage of the last 10 years one starts to wonder now if Wenger EVER really coached the players. Did he really "create" Henry, Viera, Bergkamp, Pires, Keown, Adams, Cole....etc,etc or were they just a magical,talented bunch who went out and played as they knew how to play. Maybe it wouldn't of mattered if he was there or not?? And for every Henry, there have been half a dozen, Kallstroms, Sanogo's, Bendtners and the like. Very, very occasionally we get a gem and all his supporters rave but the horrendous flops are never mentioned. And how many real journeyman are still on the books on obscene wages?? He buys this shit then sticks with them trying to convince everybody they're gold because if he admits they're crap, what does that make him?? Is there a man anywhere in the world on such good money who is so unaccountable???
I mostly agree here.beck wrote:No I'm not having this revisionismxisstential wrote:Looking at the wreckage of the last 10 years one starts to wonder now if Wenger EVER really coached the players. Did he really "create" Henry, Viera, Bergkamp, Pires, Keown, Adams, Cole....etc,etc or were they just a magical,talented bunch who went out and played as they knew how to play. Maybe it wouldn't of mattered if he was there or not?? And for every Henry, there have been half a dozen, Kallstroms, Sanogo's, Bendtners and the like. Very, very occasionally we get a gem and all his supporters rave but the horrendous flops are never mentioned. And how many real journeyman are still on the books on obscene wages?? He buys this shit then sticks with them trying to convince everybody they're gold because if he admits they're crap, what does that make him?? Is there a man anywhere in the world on such good money who is so unaccountable???
He was that good
He took a defence that was starting to fail under graham( even rioch steadied the ship in that respect) and gave them a new lease of life
He built the side that went unbeaten but it was towards the end of the 07/08 season where hubris took over and he became Canute like in his failure to adapt with what was needed
He deserved a period to put that right after what he had achieved at the start but to my mind that has gone on over 4 years too long and he should hav been sacked after failing to prepare properly for the 11/12 season after a poor finish to 10/11
To my mind ancelotti should have been installed when he was out of work and reluctant to leave london
But I won't have this slating of everything wenger
He was the right man for the job for over 11 years he just ain't now
Me too. Wenger was a brilliant manager in his first 10 years. To say different is just rubbish I'm afraid. I think that perversely the worst thing that happened to us might have been the unbeaten season. I think Wenger lost the plot after that milestone and began to truly believe that he was the Christ Incarnate of football. That's what led to The Project and the obsession with changing the Ingerlish game to tippy tappy.arseofacrow wrote:I mostly agree here.beck wrote:No I'm not having this revisionismxisstential wrote:Looking at the wreckage of the last 10 years one starts to wonder now if Wenger EVER really coached the players. Did he really "create" Henry, Viera, Bergkamp, Pires, Keown, Adams, Cole....etc,etc or were they just a magical,talented bunch who went out and played as they knew how to play. Maybe it wouldn't of mattered if he was there or not?? And for every Henry, there have been half a dozen, Kallstroms, Sanogo's, Bendtners and the like. Very, very occasionally we get a gem and all his supporters rave but the horrendous flops are never mentioned. And how many real journeyman are still on the books on obscene wages?? He buys this shit then sticks with them trying to convince everybody they're gold because if he admits they're crap, what does that make him?? Is there a man anywhere in the world on such good money who is so unaccountable???
He was that good
He took a defence that was starting to fail under graham( even rioch steadied the ship in that respect) and gave them a new lease of life
He built the side that went unbeaten but it was towards the end of the 07/08 season where hubris took over and he became Canute like in his failure to adapt with what was needed
He deserved a period to put that right after what he had achieved at the start but to my mind that has gone on over 4 years too long and he should hav been sacked after failing to prepare properly for the 11/12 season after a poor finish to 10/11
To my mind ancelotti should have been installed when he was out of work and reluctant to leave london
But I won't have this slating of everything wenger
He was the right man for the job for over 11 years he just ain't now
I think by 09/10 we'd seen enough, gathered enough evidence and nothing since has changed my mind.
I still can't for the life of me see us winning the league this year.
DB10GOONER wrote:Me too. Wenger was a brilliant manager in his first 10 years. To say different is just rubbish I'm afraid. I think that perversely the worst thing that happened to us might have been the unbeaten season. I think Wenger lost the plot after that milestone and began to truly believe that he was the Christ Incarnate of football. That's what led to The Project and the obsession with changing the Ingerlish game to tippy tappy.arseofacrow wrote:I mostly agree here.beck wrote:No I'm not having this revisionismxisstential wrote:Looking at the wreckage of the last 10 years one starts to wonder now if Wenger EVER really coached the players. Did he really "create" Henry, Viera, Bergkamp, Pires, Keown, Adams, Cole....etc,etc or were they just a magical,talented bunch who went out and played as they knew how to play. Maybe it wouldn't of mattered if he was there or not?? And for every Henry, there have been half a dozen, Kallstroms, Sanogo's, Bendtners and the like. Very, very occasionally we get a gem and all his supporters rave but the horrendous flops are never mentioned. And how many real journeyman are still on the books on obscene wages?? He buys this shit then sticks with them trying to convince everybody they're gold because if he admits they're crap, what does that make him?? Is there a man anywhere in the world on such good money who is so unaccountable???
He was that good
He took a defence that was starting to fail under graham( even rioch steadied the ship in that respect) and gave them a new lease of life
He built the side that went unbeaten but it was towards the end of the 07/08 season where hubris took over and he became Canute like in his failure to adapt with what was needed
He deserved a period to put that right after what he had achieved at the start but to my mind that has gone on over 4 years too long and he should hav been sacked after failing to prepare properly for the 11/12 season after a poor finish to 10/11
To my mind ancelotti should have been installed when he was out of work and reluctant to leave london
But I won't have this slating of everything wenger
He was the right man for the job for over 11 years he just ain't now
I think by 09/10 we'd seen enough, gathered enough evidence and nothing since has changed my mind.
I still can't for the life of me see us winning the league this year.
DB10GOONER wrote:Me too. Wenger was a brilliant manager in his first 10 years. To say different is just rubbish I'm afraid. I think that perversely the worst thing that happened to us might have been the unbeaten season. I think Wenger lost the plot after that milestone and began to truly believe that he was the Christ Incarnate of football. That's what led to The Project and the obsession with changing the Ingerlish game to tippy tappy.arseofacrow wrote:I mostly agree here.beck wrote:No I'm not having this revisionismxisstential wrote:Looking at the wreckage of the last 10 years one starts to wonder now if Wenger EVER really coached the players. Did he really "create" Henry, Viera, Bergkamp, Pires, Keown, Adams, Cole....etc,etc or were they just a magical,talented bunch who went out and played as they knew how to play. Maybe it wouldn't of mattered if he was there or not?? And for every Henry, there have been half a dozen, Kallstroms, Sanogo's, Bendtners and the like. Very, very occasionally we get a gem and all his supporters rave but the horrendous flops are never mentioned. And how many real journeyman are still on the books on obscene wages?? He buys this shit then sticks with them trying to convince everybody they're gold because if he admits they're crap, what does that make him?? Is there a man anywhere in the world on such good money who is so unaccountable???
He was that good
He took a defence that was starting to fail under graham( even rioch steadied the ship in that respect) and gave them a new lease of life
He built the side that went unbeaten but it was towards the end of the 07/08 season where hubris took over and he became Canute like in his failure to adapt with what was needed
He deserved a period to put that right after what he had achieved at the start but to my mind that has gone on over 4 years too long and he should hav been sacked after failing to prepare properly for the 11/12 season after a poor finish to 10/11
To my mind ancelotti should have been installed when he was out of work and reluctant to leave london
But I won't have this slating of everything wenger
He was the right man for the job for over 11 years he just ain't now
I think by 09/10 we'd seen enough, gathered enough evidence and nothing since has changed my mind.
I still can't for the life of me see us winning the league this year.
Not for me, mate.markmark64 wrote: for everything Wenger has done he will always be remembered for not converting us from domestic giants to european giants and with the players he has had at his disposal is sad.
I wouldn't go that far tbh mate. I don't think that's what he'll be remembered for in the media or the wider game. I think he'll be remembered (mostly) for the success he had. But I would absolutely agree the lack of European success is a massive hole in his CV and it does tarnish his managerial career to a certain extent. How much Gooners judge him on that is up to individual Gooners I suppose.markmark64 wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:Me too. Wenger was a brilliant manager in his first 10 years. To say different is just rubbish I'm afraid. I think that perversely the worst thing that happened to us might have been the unbeaten season. I think Wenger lost the plot after that milestone and began to truly believe that he was the Christ Incarnate of football. That's what led to The Project and the obsession with changing the Ingerlish game to tippy tappy.arseofacrow wrote:I mostly agree here.beck wrote:No I'm not having this revisionismxisstential wrote:Looking at the wreckage of the last 10 years one starts to wonder now if Wenger EVER really coached the players. Did he really "create" Henry, Viera, Bergkamp, Pires, Keown, Adams, Cole....etc,etc or were they just a magical,talented bunch who went out and played as they knew how to play. Maybe it wouldn't of mattered if he was there or not?? And for every Henry, there have been half a dozen, Kallstroms, Sanogo's, Bendtners and the like. Very, very occasionally we get a gem and all his supporters rave but the horrendous flops are never mentioned. And how many real journeyman are still on the books on obscene wages?? He buys this shit then sticks with them trying to convince everybody they're gold because if he admits they're crap, what does that make him?? Is there a man anywhere in the world on such good money who is so unaccountable???
He was that good
He took a defence that was starting to fail under graham( even rioch steadied the ship in that respect) and gave them a new lease of life
He built the side that went unbeaten but it was towards the end of the 07/08 season where hubris took over and he became Canute like in his failure to adapt with what was needed
He deserved a period to put that right after what he had achieved at the start but to my mind that has gone on over 4 years too long and he should hav been sacked after failing to prepare properly for the 11/12 season after a poor finish to 10/11
To my mind ancelotti should have been installed when he was out of work and reluctant to leave london
But I won't have this slating of everything wenger
He was the right man for the job for over 11 years he just ain't now
I think by 09/10 we'd seen enough, gathered enough evidence and nothing since has changed my mind.
I still can't for the life of me see us winning the league this year.
for everything Wenger has done he will always be remembered for not converting us from domestic giants to european giants and with the players he has had at his disposal is sad.
I have to agree. We've heard the old players say in their autobiographies that Wenger told them very little, just giving them the 'freedom to express themselves'. We just had a great mix of players with the like of Adams, Keown and Vieira policing the dressing room and giving orders on the pitch. Today, we have nothing in comparison. It's a shame to see a worker like Sanchez surrounded by a bunch of mutes who won't put their body on the line. Our change of style, both in play and players, since 2008 has imploded TOF's reputation.xisstential wrote:Looking at the wreckage of the last 10 years one starts to wonder now if Wenger EVER really coached the players. Did he really "create" Henry, Viera, Bergkamp, Pires, Keown, Adams, Cole....etc,etc or were they just a magical,talented bunch who went out and played as they knew how to play. Maybe it wouldn't of mattered if he was there or not?? And for every Henry, there have been half a dozen, Kallstroms, Sanogo's, Bendtners and the like. Very, very occasionally we get a gem and all his supporters rave but the horrendous flops are never mentioned. And how many real journeyman are still on the books on obscene wages?? He buys this shit then sticks with them trying to convince everybody they're gold because if he admits they're crap, what does that make him?? Is there a man anywhere in the world on such good money who is so unaccountable???
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:wooo go sean
I have to concur. He's not popular, but it's hard to disagree with him.Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:Don't understand everyone's hate with Ike. His post is 100% accurate.
Thank youbeck wrote:Spot on
2008 was the turning point. He bottled the league and went full steam ahead with the failure of Project Youth.DB10GOONER wrote:Me too. Wenger was a brilliant manager in his first 10 years. To say different is just rubbish I'm afraid. I think that perversely the worst thing that happened to us might have been the unbeaten season. I think Wenger lost the plot after that milestone and began to truly believe that he was the Christ Incarnate of football. That's what led to The Project and the obsession with changing the Ingerlish game to tippy tappy.arseofacrow wrote:I mostly agree here.beck wrote: No I'm not having this revisionism
He was that good
He took a defence that was starting to fail under graham( even rioch steadied the ship in that respect) and gave them a new lease of life
He built the side that went unbeaten but it was towards the end of the 07/08 season where hubris took over and he became Canute like in his failure to adapt with what was needed
He deserved a period to put that right after what he had achieved at the start but to my mind that has gone on over 4 years too long and he should hav been sacked after failing to prepare properly for the 11/12 season after a poor finish to 10/11
To my mind ancelotti should have been installed when he was out of work and reluctant to leave london
But I won't have this slating of everything wenger
He was the right man for the job for over 11 years he just ain't now
I think by 09/10 we'd seen enough, gathered enough evidence and nothing since has changed my mind.
I still can't for the life of me see us winning the league this year.
He should have won The Be All and End All with those teams of 2001-05. What are our chances of us ever winning it now?markmark64 wrote:for everything Wenger has done he will always be remembered for not converting us from domestic giants to european giants and with the players he has had at his disposal is sad.
He cannot be considered a 'top-qualitee' manager due to his consistent failure in Europe. His own stubbornness, ego and failure to coach the players (defensively or otherwise) - or let anyone else coach them - has failed him. Overall, he has been exposed and is as big an underachiever as our squads in the Cashburton era have been. He was supposedly an old-school manager when he was at Monaco. His experience in Japan at Grampus helped us in his first decade here, but has massively hindered us since. It is so frustratingDB10GOONER wrote:I wouldn't go that far tbh mate. I don't think that's what he'll be remembered for in the media or the wider game. I think he'll be remembered (mostly) for the success he had. But I would absolutely agree the lack of European success is a massive hole in his CV and it does tarnish his managerial career to a certain extent. How much Gooners judge him on that is up to individual Gooners I suppose.
