THE WENGER THREAD

[Nos89]

Nos89,

A few quick comments -

1. Whenever we get a new manager, the first thing I would demand from him would be to organise us better and to light a fire under the players. We have good technical players going forward but we are clueless defensively regardless of who is playing in the team - the same squad could easily be set up better by any astute manager, so if lvg added defensive nous to our attacking "flair" we would be a lot closer to winning the bigger trophies than we are now

2. I said it when moyes was there and I will say it again now.........ferguscum left them with a shite team when he left. Whoever went in there needed to spend a kings ransom to get the squad to their expected level - if a new manager took over our squad next season, they would inherit a much better squad and one with a few astute purchases and better tactics, would be at the top again.

3. I really dont give a flying fcuk about this "pretty football" nonsense - all down through the history of this club you will see us tagged as being a team that played boring football. Obviously that is a stereotype that wasn't always accurate, but as Gooners we really didn't give a f.uck because WE WERE SUCCESSFUL I am not an artist/theatre type of person who needs to be entertained or who judges things by how beautiful it looks, because at the end of the day it is a results business and I would rather support a successful club than an club that is defined by how it looks

I agree with most of that. Nothing better than a disciplined 1-0 win.

[Nos89]

Nos89 is smashing it today! The latest bullshit in the AKB Book of Mor(m)on, ie that LVG was apparently lined up as Arsene's replacement.
Apart from the fact that this is completely invented bollocks, Wenker himself is on record as saying that even if he'd lost the 2014 FA Cup that he would not have stepped down! If that fraud can sit there and chat lies after losing 8-2 at OT, or losing 6-0 on his 1,000th celebrations, what are you on about FA Cup? He claimed back in 2009 that if he didn't win the league within 2years he would be a failure. I'll get the link for you if you like - 2016 and this dinkle-wipe is still around despite having failed in the league for over a decade!

As NB123 says the funniest thing with AKBs is that they instantly dismiss every alternative you give them! We've named them before: Pep, Simeone, Ancelotti, Klopp, Allegri, Conte, Joachim Low. These managers have all been or are available and looking at major trophies, are FAR more successful than Le Tool.

Even if you claim worst case LVG scenario as you do, it's been widely reported that LVG has twice tendered his resignation at ManYoo because he knows the fans expect more and because he thinks it isn't good enough. Funny he doesn't take the alternative option, you know...remind Yernited fans that they were finishing 6th in 1953 and would they still want that...that they play in a 70,000 stadium...that they have loads of cash and that Grimsby and Barnet would kill to be in their position..."Be careful what you wish for" etc

Far as I see LVG would have been a better option for us: sure we'd have wasted 2 years but we've wasted 12 and counting under this Fraud! LVG woulda had the grace to piss off. Unlike Lord Wenker, who happily signs contract after contract FFS. Who knows maybe we'll finally score a league goal against the Chavs before the end of his next deal, and if we score one after 14+ hours of football we can celebrate that "achievement" along with annual last 16 CL butt-pumpings

The LVG rumour was in the press and the link was made when we appointed the Dutch guy as head of the academy, whom had worked with van gaal for 20 years at his various clubs. It was mentioned on this thread in may 2014 that Wenger had spoken to a Monaco representative and stated he'd leave if we lost the 2014 cup final. Remember he signed his current contract after the final win. As Augie mentioned earlier Utd were left with a poor squad when Ferguson left. Our current squad doesn't need a complete overhaul, needs a few quality additions. I look forward to our Galectico years, which wont happen under the current regime.
To add Wenger is like my current missus, in that he makes statements to cover every eventuality, contradicting himself, only to turn round at a later date to say , "I told you so" or "I said that would happen".

[Ikechukwu1]

Wenger, 65, said: "To walk where? Walk away, no. Look, I have just won my 600th game out of 1000. That means I have won 60 per cent of the games. After 18 years, it would not be serious to walk away for losing one game. I do my job as well as I can and I respect my contracts always."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... up-4909016

That's right Nos89 keep making it up as you go along. You have more in common with Lord Shite-muncher than you may care to admit!

[armchair]

We've had to listen to some really stupid shit from the Wengerites over the years excusing and apologising.

But to hold up LVG, a manager who will in all likeyhood get utd Wengers top four trophy again as a reason for us, the Arsenal not to seek to improve on that by changing manager is just ridiculous and typical of Wenger supporters who will say anything, any old tosh to muddy the water and defend him

Btw Ike, Wenger is a lying fraud. I firmly believe he would have walked had we not won the cup in 2014. He just waited to see the result.

[jonny3110]

I am in now way an AKB or WOB. I sit in the middle somewhere, clearly aware of our shortfalls but understanding of the markets lack of quality signings to take us onto the next level but also know there are some positions/players we could and should have recruited to strengthen. This current squad is very very close. Of all the years that AW fell short we had some stellar players and some real shite. It was also full of knobheads who were interested in Instagramming pics of them in a diamonte beanie instead of proper footballers. I'm thinking the Song, Eboue, Bendtner brigade. What is missing from this current crop for me is now simple. A Schneiderlein (should have bought) to support Coq, a proper proper WC striker (none available now but the Suarez debacle will always haunt me, worst thing they've EVER done IMO) and a CB to replace Mertesacker (John Stones should be got!). If we'd have got that not only would we piss the league we would also have challenged for the CL.

I do think AW is the best thing to happen to our club, I'm aware this will be met with vitriol but I've been a ST holder since 80 and and come from a long line of Gooners who also agree as he bought silverware in his first tenure, a brand of football that noone had in the country at the time and then also put everything in place the past 10 years to push us to the next level. If he doesn't win it this year he has completely lost the ability to get them over the line and past the mental blocks, as that is what it is. His training methods clearly also fuck the team as noone has our injuries, so if he don't do it this year, he never will. We should go all out for Pep, I genuinely think he would come!

[Ikechukwu1]

We've had to listen to some really stupid shit from the Wengerites over the years excusing and apologising.

But to hold up LVG, a manager who will in all likeyhood get utd Wengers top four trophy again as a reason for us, the Arsenal not to seek to improve on that by changing manager is just ridiculous and typical of Wenger supporters who will say anything, any old tosh to muddy the water and defend him

Btw Ike, Wenger is a lying fraud. I firmly believe he would have walked had we not won the cup in 2014. He just waited to see the result.

I am with you Armchair that the man is a grade A deceitful tosser. But just remember the 8-2!
I don't know of a manager, anywhere in Europe that doesn't walk after that. And that's especially since he had £70m sitting in the bank that summer (like every summer) and chose to chance it! Mysteriously, he made a trolley dash immediately after that thrashing and found £60m down the back of his IKEA sofa. Funny that! Yet more proof top 4 is all he wants. I think he's too arrogant and narcissistic to have walked. Walking after an FA Cup loss means he'd have left a failure in his eyes and his myth in tatters. Can't have that now can we!

[Ikechukwu1]

I am in now way an AKB or WOB. I sit in the middle somewhere, clearly aware of our shortfalls but understanding of the markets lack of quality signings to take us onto the next level but also know there are some positions/players we could and should have recruited to strengthen. This current squad is very very close. Of all the years that AW fell short we had some stellar players and some real shite. It was also full of knobheads who were interested in Instagramming pics of them in a diamonte beanie instead of proper footballers. I'm thinking the Song, Eboue, Bendtner brigade. What is missing from this current crop for me is now simple. A Schneiderlein (should have bought) to support Coq, a proper proper WC striker (none available now but the Suarez debacle will always haunt me, worst thing they've EVER done IMO) and a CB to replace Mertesacker (John Stones should be got!). If we'd have got that not only would we piss the league we would also have challenged for the CL.

I do think AW is the best thing to happen to our club, I'm aware this will be met with vitriol but I've been a ST holder since 80 and and come from a long line of Gooners who also agree as he bought silverware in his first tenure, a brand of football that noone had in the country at the time and then also put everything in place the past 10 years to push us to the next level. If he doesn't win it this year he has completely lost the ability to get them over the line and past the mental blocks, as that is what it is. His training methods clearly also fuck the team as noone has our injuries, so if he don't do it this year, he never will. We should go all out for Pep, I genuinely think he would come!

Fair enough entitled to your opinion. What id like to pull you up on though is:

1. "If Arsene doesn't get them over the line this year"...oh dear. Haven't we heard this since 2006? WHEN he fails again this year, are you sure you won't just point to "injuries", "bad luck" and "oil money"? Why is This year so different to others? In 2008 we were 4 points clear in Jan and in pole position to win the league. Transfer window was open and it was clear Almunia needed shopping out and we needed another striker because Eduardo was fucked and Barndoor well....
2 seasons ago we were top in Feb. again he did nothing in Jan. This season is playing out like the last 12, so I ask again, why is THIS season sooo different?

2. You talk about the "market's lack of quality". Are you for real? How are Leicester top and doing so well? It's called scouting. The market has quality but sadly Lord A-hole is self-absorbed and feels he needs nothing. How can you seriously, with a straight face, talk about a lack of market quality when clowns like Captain Wankpot are collecting £140g a week?
Sanogo is on our payroll FFS! Ox who is about as much use as a soggy marshmallow in a shitter. We are persisting with that useless German fucktard when the Spuds picked up Alderweireld for £9m was it? Leicester scout players like Kante who, being honest, has proved more than Mr "I had a good 3 months" Coquelin.
The market is full of quality holding mids and centre halves. Even up front we could have signed Higuain ir tried for Griezmann. Please don't parrot Lord A-Hole's excuses ad verbatim

3. You are making the usual error of talking about stuff he achieved ages ago. The football we played then is irrelevant as he has not kept with the times and the game has changed! Stop living in the past. Great football is successful football. So that means Barca, Bayern, Madrid, Fergie's United etc. Sure there's the odd exception (Chavs) but Wenger's football stopped being entertaining ages ago. Seriously we haven't scored in over NINE HOURS against the Chavs! How can you call that entertainment? Martinez put 3 past them. At Stamford Bridge. Bournemouth beat them there. Sunderland scored there Fat Sam FFS. Pulls and WBA scored 2 there. Yet Mr Knows hasn't in over 9 hours. Constant bollocks in the same way in Europe. We've scored less goals than Leicester FFS. Are you for real?

[augie]

I am in now way an AKB or WOB. I sit in the middle somewhere, clearly aware of our shortfalls but understanding of the markets lack of quality signings to take us onto the next level but also know there are some positions/players we could and should have recruited to strengthen. This current squad is very very close. Of all the years that AW fell short we had some stellar players and some real shite. It was also full of knobheads who were interested in Instagramming pics of them in a diamonte beanie instead of proper footballers. I'm thinking the Song, Eboue, Bendtner brigade. What is missing from this current crop for me is now simple. A Schneiderlein (should have bought) to support Coq, a proper proper WC striker (none available now but the Suarez debacle will always haunt me, worst thing they've EVER done IMO) and a CB to replace Mertesacker (John Stones should be got!). If we'd have got that not only would we piss the league we would also have challenged for the CL.

I do think AW is the best thing to happen to our club, I'm aware this will be met with vitriol but I've been a ST holder since 80 and and come from a long line of Gooners who also agree as he bought silverware in his first tenure, a brand of football that noone had in the country at the time and then also put everything in place the past 10 years to push us to the next level. If he doesn't win it this year he has completely lost the ability to get them over the line and past the mental blocks, as that is what it is. His training methods clearly also fuck the team as noone has our injuries, so if he don't do it this year, he never will. We should go all out for Pep, I genuinely think he would come!

Fair enough entitled to your opinion. What id like to pull you up on though is:

1. "If Arsene doesn't get them over the line this year"...oh dear. Haven't we heard this since 2006? WHEN he fails again this year, are you sure you won't just point to "injuries", "bad luck" and "oil money"? Why is This year so different to others? In 2008 we were 4 points clear in Jan and in pole position to win the league. Transfer window was open and it was clear Almunia needed shopping out and we needed another striker because Eduardo was fucked and Barndoor well....
2 seasons ago we were top in Feb. again he did nothing in Jan. This season is playing out like the last 12, so I ask again, why is THIS season sooo different?

2. You talk about the "market's lack of quality". Are you for real? How are Leicester top and doing so well? It's called scouting. The market has quality but sadly Lord A-hole is self-absorbed and feels he needs nothing. How can you seriously, with a straight face, talk about a lack of market quality when clowns like Captain Wankpot are collecting £140g a week?
Sanogo is on our payroll FFS! Ox who is about as much use as a soggy marshmallow in a shitter. We are persisting with that useless German fucktard when the Spuds picked up Alderweireld for £9m was it? Leicester scout players like Kante who, being honest, has proved more than Mr "I had a good 3 months" Coquelin.
The market is full of quality holding mids and centre halves. Even up front we could have signed Higuain ir tried for Griezmann. Please don't parrot Lord A-Hole's excuses ad verbatim

3. You are making the usual error of talking about stuff he achieved ages ago. The football we played then is irrelevant as he has not kept with the times and the game has changed! Stop living in the past. Great football is successful football. So that means Barca, Bayern, Madrid, Fergie's United etc. Sure there's the odd exception (Chavs) but Wenger's football stopped being entertaining ages ago. Seriously we haven't scored in over NINE HOURS against the Chavs! How can you call that entertainment? Martinez put 3 past them. At Stamford Bridge. Bournemouth beat them there. Sunderland scored there Fat Sam FFS. Pulls and WBA scored 2 there. Yet Mr Knows hasn't in over 9 hours. Constant bollocks in the same way in Europe. We've scored less goals than Leicester FFS. Are you for real?

Cannot agree with thae leicester part - they were players that leicester took a punt on and that could have turned out good or bad, and le cock buys enough of those players What the senile old c.unt should be doing is bringing in top quality proven players - yes they too might flop, but there is a smaller risk of that happening. We need proven quality players to come in and lift the confidence and expectations of the club and players, plus we need them to realise that if they want to play for this team then they sure as shit need to up their game.

[jonny3110]

I am in now way an AKB or WOB. I sit in the middle somewhere, clearly aware of our shortfalls but understanding of the markets lack of quality signings to take us onto the next level but also know there are some positions/players we could and should have recruited to strengthen. This current squad is very very close. Of all the years that AW fell short we had some stellar players and some real shite. It was also full of knobheads who were interested in Instagramming pics of them in a diamonte beanie instead of proper footballers. I'm thinking the Song, Eboue, Bendtner brigade. What is missing from this current crop for me is now simple. A Schneiderlein (should have bought) to support Coq, a proper proper WC striker (none available now but the Suarez debacle will always haunt me, worst thing they've EVER done IMO) and a CB to replace Mertesacker (John Stones should be got!). If we'd have got that not only would we piss the league we would also have challenged for the CL.

I do think AW is the best thing to happen to our club, I'm aware this will be met with vitriol but I've been a ST holder since 80 and and come from a long line of Gooners who also agree as he bought silverware in his first tenure, a brand of football that noone had in the country at the time and then also put everything in place the past 10 years to push us to the next level. If he doesn't win it this year he has completely lost the ability to get them over the line and past the mental blocks, as that is what it is. His training methods clearly also fuck the team as noone has our injuries, so if he don't do it this year, he never will. We should go all out for Pep, I genuinely think he would come!

Fair enough entitled to your opinion. What id like to pull you up on though is:

1. "If Arsene doesn't get them over the line this year"...oh dear. Haven't we heard this since 2006? WHEN he fails again this year, are you sure you won't just point to "injuries", "bad luck" and "oil money"? Why is This year so different to others? In 2008 we were 4 points clear in Jan and in pole position to win the league. Transfer window was open and it was clear Almunia needed shopping out and we needed another striker because Eduardo was fucked and Barndoor well....
2 seasons ago we were top in Feb. again he did nothing in Jan. This season is playing out like the last 12, so I ask again, why is THIS season sooo different?

2. You talk about the "market's lack of quality". Are you for real? How are Leicester top and doing so well? It's called scouting. The market has quality but sadly Lord A-hole is self-absorbed and feels he needs nothing. How can you seriously, with a straight face, talk about a lack of market quality when clowns like Captain Wankpot are collecting £140g a week?
Sanogo is on our payroll FFS! Ox who is about as much use as a soggy marshmallow in a shitter. We are persisting with that useless German fucktard when the Spuds picked up Alderweireld for £9m was it? Leicester scout players like Kante who, being honest, has proved more than Mr "I had a good 3 months" Coquelin.
The market is full of quality holding mids and centre halves. Even up front we could have signed Higuain ir tried for Griezmann. Please don't parrot Lord A-Hole's excuses ad verbatim

3. You are making the usual error of talking about stuff he achieved ages ago. The football we played then is irrelevant as he has not kept with the times and the game has changed! Stop living in the past. Great football is successful football. So that means Barca, Bayern, Madrid, Fergie's United etc. Sure there's the odd exception (Chavs) but Wenger's football stopped being entertaining ages ago. Seriously we haven't scored in over NINE HOURS against the Chavs! How can you call that entertainment? Martinez put 3 past them. At Stamford Bridge. Bournemouth beat them there. Sunderland scored there Fat Sam FFS. Pulls and WBA scored 2 there. Yet Mr Knows hasn't in over 9 hours. Constant bollocks in the same way in Europe. We've scored less goals than Leicester FFS. Are you for real?

I'm entitles to my opinion and am I for real? Quite confused by your acceptance and then finishing with disbelief but hey ho.

Regarding this feeling like Groundhog day I do agree. And for me 07' and 13' were criminal years to miss out on the title. I blame the injuries as much as I blame the fact we bought noone in the TW - the year we lost Rambo and he was flying we signed Kallstrom...appauling and unforgivable I completely agree. HOWEVER, why I feel this may be different. For me this is 2 fold -

1) the collapse previously has always happened after the injuries, and we have just come through an awful couple of months where we've looked crap and stuttered non stop but still level with points and 3 behind the leaders...who are Leicester. Yes it's a lovely story but I certain they'll drop after the next 3 games! We have the players coming back - Alexis can lead anyone tot the title he is with Ageuro as most lethal in the league for me and Coq, Welbeck (whatever you think of him a welcome addition) and Wilshere, Cazorla we hear no too far behind, so can push us on.

2) Cech - after Sunday seeing him pick up Kosilney and have the can do attitude is so so vital. All looked like they fear this is the same old story but he knows more than anyone as he has been there and done it most importantly that there are a lot of points left! We are equal with the leader FFS and still to play them. Yes we bottle it usually but it is a mental thing.

BTW I am not saying we will win anything or being pro AW just stating this one may be different!

Lack of quality - yes there is a lack of quality, if you think there isn't you're talking bo**ox! Scouting is one thing but that happens every year where the one's you don't think will be electric are. For all the steller signings there are 5 Benteke's, Soldado's, Darmian's, Schweinsteiger's etc. Agree re Higuain, that ship sailed the same summer as Suarez. And yes we have some crap at our club alla Sanogo. We do need a steller striker, we need to do it this summer no matter who is in charge.

And it's not a mistake to look at his past glory's, it shouldn't ever be ignored! But he has a lot of short comings, and getting them over the line is one of them. We should just pretend we're going for 4th, then we'd turn up! We have an issue going to the big prize for some unknown reason! Well I do blame AW. And we can't silo entertaining football to the games against the Chavs, it was the best we've seen at Arsenal when in full flow, even as recent as the 13' season, we were electric.

Anyways as mentioned think we need change and I worry we'll fail again, but he still should be remembered for the good and stability he has brought to the club but yes shouldn't forget the bad of course and the fact he's driven us to being nearly men with all the talent we have. Unlucky with injuries yes, but not excuses for not rectifying in the market. Also I hope this season is different for what I've stated. The abuse he gets however is very very OTT but that is modern football for you!

[arseofacrow]

It's always jam tomorrow.

We don't even buy jam.

[xisstential]

I am with you Armchair that the man is a grade A deceitful tosser. But just remember the 8-2!
I don't know of a manager, anywhere in Europe that doesn't walk after that. And that's especially since he had £70m sitting in the bank that summer (like every summer) and chose to chance it! Mysteriously, he made a trolley dash immediately after that thrashing and found £60m down the back of his IKEA sofa. Funny that! Yet more proof top 4 is all he wants. I think he's too arrogant and narcissistic to have walked. Walking after an FA Cup loss means he'd have left a failure in his eyes and his myth in tatters. Can't have that now can we!


You know what he said after that 8 - 2 anal reaming?? In every game you get a number of chances and on that particular day ALL of Uniteds chances went in so he doesn't read too much into it. Simple as that and that shameful afternoon was airily brushed aside.Did galvinise him to go on that insane trolley dash which resulted in Metersucker arriving at the club. I wish some Journalist would pop up and write a 2 page spread of how this fraudulent, intolerant, unaccountable man has conducted himself over the years.

[markyp]

I am in now way an AKB or WOB. I sit in the middle somewhere, clearly aware of our shortfalls but understanding of the markets lack of quality signings to take us onto the next level but also know there are some positions/players we could and should have recruited to strengthen. This current squad is very very close. Of all the years that AW fell short we had some stellar players and some real shite. It was also full of knobheads who were interested in Instagramming pics of them in a diamonte beanie instead of proper footballers. I'm thinking the Song, Eboue, Bendtner brigade. What is missing from this current crop for me is now simple. A Schneiderlein (should have bought) to support Coq, a proper proper WC striker (none available now but the Suarez debacle will always haunt me, worst thing they've EVER done IMO) and a CB to replace Mertesacker (John Stones should be got!). If we'd have got that not only would we piss the league we would also have challenged for the CL.

I do think AW is the best thing to happen to our club, I'm aware this will be met with vitriol but I've been a ST holder since 80 and and come from a long line of Gooners who also agree as he bought silverware in his first tenure, a brand of football that noone had in the country at the time and then also put everything in place the past 10 years to push us to the next level. If he doesn't win it this year he has completely lost the ability to get them over the line and past the mental blocks, as that is what it is. His training methods clearly also fuck the team as noone has our injuries, so if he don't do it this year, he never will. We should go all out for Pep, I genuinely think he would come!

Fair enough entitled to your opinion. What id like to pull you up on though is:

1. "If Arsene doesn't get them over the line this year"...oh dear. Haven't we heard this since 2006? WHEN he fails again this year, are you sure you won't just point to "injuries", "bad luck" and "oil money"? Why is This year so different to others? In 2008 we were 4 points clear in Jan and in pole position to win the league. Transfer window was open and it was clear Almunia needed shopping out and we needed another striker because Eduardo was fucked and Barndoor well....
2 seasons ago we were top in Feb. again he did nothing in Jan. This season is playing out like the last 12, so I ask again, why is THIS season sooo different?

2. You talk about the "market's lack of quality". Are you for real? How are Leicester top and doing so well? It's called scouting. The market has quality but sadly Lord A-hole is self-absorbed and feels he needs nothing. How can you seriously, with a straight face, talk about a lack of market quality when clowns like Captain Wankpot are collecting £140g a week?
Sanogo is on our payroll FFS! Ox who is about as much use as a soggy marshmallow in a shitter. We are persisting with that useless German fucktard when the Spuds picked up Alderweireld for £9m was it? Leicester scout players like Kante who, being honest, has proved more than Mr "I had a good 3 months" Coquelin.
The market is full of quality holding mids and centre halves. Even up front we could have signed Higuain ir tried for Griezmann. Please don't parrot Lord A-Hole's excuses ad verbatim

3. You are making the usual error of talking about stuff he achieved ages ago. The football we played then is irrelevant as he has not kept with the times and the game has changed! Stop living in the past. Great football is successful football. So that means Barca, Bayern, Madrid, Fergie's United etc. Sure there's the odd exception (Chavs) but Wenger's football stopped being entertaining ages ago. Seriously we haven't scored in over NINE HOURS against the Chavs! How can you call that entertainment? Martinez put 3 past them. At Stamford Bridge. Bournemouth beat them there. Sunderland scored there Fat Sam FFS. Pulls and WBA scored 2 there. Yet Mr Knows hasn't in over 9 hours. Constant bollocks in the same way in Europe. We've scored less goals than Leicester FFS. Are you for real?

I'm entitles to my opinion and am I for real? Quite confused by your acceptance and then finishing with disbelief but hey ho.

Regarding this feeling like Groundhog day I do agree. And for me 07' and 13' were criminal years to miss out on the title. I blame the injuries as much as I blame the fact we bought noone in the TW - the year we lost Rambo and he was flying we signed Kallstrom...appauling and unforgivable I completely agree. HOWEVER, why I feel this may be different. For me this is 2 fold -

1) the collapse previously has always happened after the injuries, and we have just come through an awful couple of months where we've looked crap and stuttered non stop but still level with points and 3 behind the leaders...who are Leicester. Yes it's a lovely story but I certain they'll drop after the next 3 games! We have the players coming back - Alexis can lead anyone tot the title he is with Ageuro as most lethal in the league for me and Coq, Welbeck (whatever you think of him a welcome addition) and Wilshere, Cazorla we hear no too far behind, so can push us on.

2) Cech - after Sunday seeing him pick up Kosilney and have the can do attitude is so so vital. All looked like they fear this is the same old story but he knows more than anyone as he has been there and done it most importantly that there are a lot of points left! We are equal with the leader FFS and still to play them. Yes we bottle it usually but it is a mental thing.

BTW I am not saying we will win anything or being pro AW just stating this one may be different!

Lack of quality - yes there is a lack of quality, if you think there isn't you're talking bo**ox! Scouting is one thing but that happens every year where the one's you don't think will be electric are. For all the steller signings there are 5 Benteke's, Soldado's, Darmian's, Schweinsteiger's etc. Agree re Higuain, that ship sailed the same summer as Suarez. And yes we have some crap at our club alla Sanogo. We do need a steller striker, we need to do it this summer no matter who is in charge.

And it's not a mistake to look at his past glory's, it shouldn't ever be ignored! But he has a lot of short comings, and getting them over the line is one of them. We should just pretend we're going for 4th, then we'd turn up! We have an issue going to the big prize for some unknown reason! Well I do blame AW. And we can't silo entertaining football to the games against the Chavs, it was the best we've seen at Arsenal when in full flow, even as recent as the 13' season, we were electric.

Anyways as mentioned think we need change and I worry we'll fail again, but he still should be remembered for the good and stability he has brought to the club but yes shouldn't forget the bad of course and the fact he's driven us to being nearly men with all the talent we have. Unlucky with injuries yes, but not excuses for not rectifying in the market. Also I hope this season is different for what I've stated. The abuse he gets however is very very OTT but that is modern football for you!

weather or not you think you sit in the middle you are still making excuses for our shit run the past 12 years like injuries for example which by the way the fault is well documented to lie at the feet of Wenger,no quality in the transfer market,really? because Bayern,Barca,Real even Chelsea city and utd have all managed to find quality in the the transfer market time and time again.you just want to believe what the senile old krunt spouts out.im guesing you think weve improved too??? this is nothing personal,just wake up and smell the coffee,we have been led a merry dance for years

[Gunner Rob]

Jonny, it is always "this season is different" for people like you.

NOTHING has changed this season, nothing.

hasn't the last month convinced you of that?
if not how about the 5-1 battering in Munich or the league cup defeat to mighty Sheffield Wednesday?

still not got the picture? - it is now 10 hours since we last scored against the chavs, this season we have scored fewer league goals than any season since we have been at the Emirates and...get this the new messiah Cech has let in just as many goals in the league as Chesney had at this stage of the season 2 years ago.

I am afraid that you as a season ticket holder are part of the problem as you have just sat there for the last decade hoping for change, whilst there has been absolutely no indication of any positive change taking place. The "success" of the club this season, if you can call NINE defeats in all competitions so far a success is based purely on the failure of other teams rather than any improvement that Wenger has made.

[DB10GOONER]

After the FA Cup wins someone here asked if we had made progress. At the time I agreed that we had made some sort of progress if you simplified the definition of progress from "no trophies won for 8 seasons" to "2 FA Cups won back to back".

But looking at our current run we have not progressed in the PL. We still flatter to deceive. We have a good run every season, a few players hit purple patches in their form, we top the table for X number of weeks/months etc but ultimately we cannot and do not sustain even a proper title challenge never mind actually win the title.

This lack of true progress has to be down to the manager. In every other club in the world it is the manager that takes the credit and/or the blame for progress or lack thereof. But not at Arsene FC/Arsenal PLC.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Wenger should have left in the summer, back to back FA Cups, a decent squad that a new manager can expand on......

But that would be the honourable thing to do.