As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we did our job against leicester. jesus fucking christ
didn't do it v swansea, mancs, southampton, aah fuck it i've lost count and can't be bothered to list every fucking team.
could he be any more fucking pompous? how has such an underachieving manager been allowed to turn into such a monster? would he have turned into such a smug, arrogant *word censored* if david dein was still here i wonder?
I thought that was incredibly childish - suggesting that the rest of the league have let us down somehow.
We are currently on for 68 points this year. Never going to win the title with that sort of return, not even if all of the other big sides flop and there's a spread field amongst the rest (like this year).
armchair wrote:Supporters who say they "want him out" but "will always love and respect him" need to re-evaluate their thinking based on the damage he has done to the club, the teams chances and the supporters. He has fractured the fanbase almost irreperably and the worst thing is.....?
He is continuing to do it. Right now, he is damaging us.
The rotten bastard defends the scandalous ticket prices that fans cough up to pay him then criticises the fans when he serves up turgid shite game after game, season after season.
I lost all respect for him a long, long time ago. He never, ever had respect for the supporters.
I hope he leaves a failed, broken man, under a cloud and in absolute disgrace.
Right now I cant think of anyone who hurts me more than him. I despise him and hes stealing the love and enjoyment I used to get from games.
hes been damaging the club for years. he is responsible for the fact the scum are closing the gap. we should be light years ahead and under anyone else would be but his willful neglect leads us to where we are with no one daring challenge him cos they dont care about the football side.
"Arsene Wenger
“I believe that I told you many times in these press conferences that I rate him [David Ospina] as a top class, world-class goalkeeper,” said Arsene Wenger after the game.
Smug and condescending when he feels he’s proved right, dismissive and patronising when proved wrong. It’s really not endearing."
But yes let's "always have respect for him", irrespective of what a smarmy c**t he truly is
Said exactly the same thing about Almunia. Exactly the same.
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we did our job against leicester. jesus fucking christ
didn't do it v swansea, mancs, southampton, aah fuck it i've lost count and can't be bothered to list every fucking team.
could he be any more fucking pompous? how has such an underachieving manager been allowed to turn into such a monster? would he have turned into such a smug, arrogant *word censored* if david dein was still here i wonder?
I thought that was incredibly childish - suggesting that the rest of the league have let us down somehow.
We are currently on for 68 points this year. Never going to win the title with that sort of return, not even if all of the other big sides flop and there's a spread field amongst the rest (like this year).
if theres any logic to AW then the rest of the league have let scum down as their second...
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we did our job against leicester. jesus fucking christ
didn't do it v swansea, mancs, southampton, aah fuck it i've lost count and can't be bothered to list every fucking team.
could he be any more fucking pompous? how has such an underachieving manager been allowed to turn into such a monster? would he have turned into such a smug, arrogant *word censored* if david dein was still here i wonder?
I thought that was incredibly childish - suggesting that the rest of the league have let us down somehow.
We are currently on for 68 points this year. Never going to win the title with that sort of return, not even if all of the other big sides flop and there's a spread field amongst the rest (like this year).
if theres any logic to AW then the rest of the league have let scum down as their second...
Well we are unbeaten against them so if everyone else had done their job they would have less than 30 points by now.
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we did our job against leicester. jesus fucking christ
didn't do it v swansea, mancs, southampton, aah fuck it i've lost count and can't be bothered to list every fucking team.
could he be any more fucking pompous? how has such an underachieving manager been allowed to turn into such a monster? would he have turned into such a smug, arrogant *word censored* if david dein was still here i wonder?
I thought that was incredibly childish - suggesting that the rest of the league have let us down somehow.
We are currently on for 68 points this year. Never going to win the title with that sort of return, not even if all of the other big sides flop and there's a spread field amongst the rest (like this year).
The other teams haven't let us down at all, we can clear a big space in the Virtual Trophy Cabinet for the nearly impossible to win "Beat the eventual champions home and away but still bottled it Cup" . In fact lets parade it in an open top bus.
My bewilderment with this thread is what exactly do you expect him to say at a press conference?
He's never going to curse out the team, or the board. He has as much right to hit back at the those that criticise him, as we do to criticise him. He's never gonna give up on a title race when it is still mathematically possible. Vitally, he's never going to admit making a mistake and we've had 20 years to get used to that.
This time last year Leicester were definite for relegation and their manager was calling reporters ostriches, whilst his son was suspended by the club for indiscretions whilst on a club tour. They survived.
I'm more worried that the team only average 15-16 points in their last 9 games of the season...when we need all points remaining.
Nos89 wrote:My bewilderment with this thread is what exactly do you expect him to say at a press conference?
He's never going to curse out the team, or the board. He has as much right to hit back at the those that criticise him, as we do to criticise him. He's never gonna give up on a title race when it is still mathematically possible. Vitally, he's never going to admit making a mistake and we've had 20 years to get used to that.
This time last year Leicester were definite for relegation and their manager was calling reporters ostriches, whilst his son was suspended by the club for indiscretions whilst on a club tour. They survived.
I'm more worried that the team only average 15-16 points in their last 9 games of the season...when we need all points remaining.
How about stop spinning, stop bullshitting, stop taking us for idiots, stop sneering at any hint of justified criticism and stop being so condescending. Then once he's mastered the above he can fuck off. And I don't know what you want the remaining points for unless you have your eye on that 4th place. I think you will find most of us on here would rather we miss out on the CL, it is the ONLY sure fire way of getting rid of him. Forget about the league we won't win it, he pretty much admitted it after the Swansea game.However he does still think we can progress in the CL, so you can hang your hat on that.
Nos89 wrote:My bewilderment with this thread is what exactly do you expect him to say at a press conference?
He's never going to curse out the team, or the board. He has as much right to hit back at the those that criticise him, as we do to criticise him. He's never gonna give up on a title race when it is still mathematically possible. Vitally, he's never going to admit making a mistake and we've had 20 years to get used to that.
This time last year Leicester were definite for relegation and their manager was calling reporters ostriches, whilst his son was suspended by the club for indiscretions whilst on a club tour. They survived.
I'm more worried that the team only average 15-16 points in their last 9 games of the season...when we need all points remaining.
How about trying to give honest answers at a press conference, not the spin bullshit he comes out with. For example, we couldn't compete with Barca because they have more money than us, but pre Leicester, he said that Leicester had proven you don't need to spend to be successful, its a different bullshit excuse from him every week. How about not using press conferences to do the boards dirty work of defending the indefensible of high ticket prices. It would also be nice if he didn't become a petulant child when anyone asks him a question he doesn't like, and refrain from belittling any reporter who asks him tough questions him e.g. Jacqui Oatley.
1st paragraph after the pictures in my interpretation he's almost admitting he's gone
Not sure i agree with your interpretation of him almost admitting he's heading out the door, but this quote from the article:
But Wenger said: 'I believe that opinions are opinions. I do my job, some day someone will replace me and someone will replace you.That's part of life.
'I always try to do my best so when I leave the club the guy coming in after me will have a good potential to work.
Tells me everything you need to know about Arsene, its him basically saying i've done all this great work work and whoever comes along behind me will benefit from my work!!
Oh really Arseme? Whoever comes in will need 18 months to sort out the complete and utter cluster fcuk this club has become under you, medical staff, scouts, coaches, academy and players all need reorganising, retraining and/or replacing to get out of the 'Wenger' way of doing things, the whole club needs a complete rebuild after what he has done to it.
I genuinely believe that what has happened at Man U after Fergie may actually be even worse for us because although they had/still have to replace a great manager, we have to undo Wenger's last 10 years
The pressure is getting to him, and he knows sentiment among the fans is really turning against him. The media are also openly speculating about his future. Because its finally dawning an everyone, that finishing in the top 4 with the likes of Sanchez, Ozil, Cech, Kosicleny, Bellerin, Monreal ect is not an achievement of any sorts. Just as finishing in the top 4 with RVP, Cesc, Nasri on the books was not an achievement. Think back to the old big 4 days, which other team could realistically bump us for 4th? Wenger has always achieved the bare minimum.
Paul Merson said it best when he said a thousand managers could get this team in the top 4 - and that realization has busted Wenge's bubble. I for one think we should be competing for the title even when Chelsea, City and United have better years. I thus think we SHOULD win the title this year given those 3 clubs have either imploded or been horrible. Yet even when the bar has been lowered spectacularly given the craziness of this season, Wenger still cant clear it.
His latest press conference referring to talk of his position as 'boring' is just further evidence of his arrogance. He doesnt appreciate the frustration of the fans, nor does he entertain the idea failure to win the league should be seen a monumental failure. He wont even conduct an autopsy of this season if we fail. He wont look at key points in the season to se where the league was lost. Giroud's 13 game goal drought. The lack of cover for Coquelin. Mertesacker lack of pace. The teams inability to cope with pressure. The constant naivety of the players. He wont look into an of that, and will simply put it behind him and move on. And that is totally unprofessional. Its just like his belief we shouldnt amend our game to suit the opposition - he thinks its sticking to his principals. But really, in this age of tactical football, its just negligence and unprofessional.
“I worked for 35 years at the top level,” said Wenger. “What I find just boring is always sitting here after 19 years to face, 'Do you think you are good enough?’ I don’t know. I am humble enough every day to question myself, to accept my mistakes – and believe me, I do that.
“After that, as well, there is no coincidence that the people who own the club tell me to be here for 19 years. Do you think they are more stupid than you or me?
“I always have to convince you that I am good enough. I have no problem to cope with everything but I find that a bit boring.”
Arsenal were booed by many angry and frustrated fans after the 2-1 defeat by Swansea City last Wednesday and Wenger was asked if the attitude of supporters would influence whether he extended a contract that expires next year.
“You are the guy who speaks to the fans – it’s not me,” said Wenger. “I am not on Twitter. I don’t invite anybody to go out to dinner and be nice with them. I work and work and work and work. If it’s not good enough someone will tell me one day. That’s all I can do.
“I do not worry what you or fans say about me. I try to do my job in a proper way and with full commitment. After that everybody has the right to have an opinion. You do not make a decision if I continue my job or not.”
Earlier in the press conference, Wenger was also asked whether he had ever felt under more pressure during his tenure as manager.
“I have always the same pressure, the pressure I apply to myself is always the same,” he said. “After that, more people talk than 20 years ago, there are more opinions but the pressure comes from your desire to win games. That’s the only one that matters really. Opinions are opinions. I do my job – some day someone will replace me – and someone will replace you. That’s part of life. I always try to do my best so, when I leave the club, the guy coming in after me will have a good potential to work.”
Wenger was appointed Arsenal manager in 1996 and, as well as three Premier League titles and an all-time record six FA Cups, has steered the club through the delicate process of funding a new £390 million stadium while also always qualifying for the Champions League. The frustration of fans, however, stems from the wait since 2004 to win a domestic title and the sense the same on-field mistakes are repeatedly made amid Wenger’s caution in spending the club’s resources. His cash budget for squad investment of around £75 million was largely available in the past two transfer windows when Wenger’s only senior signings were Petr Cech and Mohamed Elneny.
While the club hope that he will continue beyond the expiry of his contract, his longer-term future will not be decided until this summer and perhaps not even until next year. Whether Wenger himself would want to continue if Arsenal cannot maintain a Premier League title challenge either this year or next is questionable and, in the shorter term, he is concerned the “relentless” pressure of fans could impact on the players’ confidence.
“I feel privileged to have the confidence of the club for a long time but, on the other hand, I work seven days a week with full commitment,” said Wenger. “I feel it is privilege to work at a club of that stature for such a long time.”
Arsenal have just completed a sequence of five matches in 15 days and will fly to Hull on the morning of the match for the first of four games in 12 days. Wenger will take a full squad but there are likely to be opportunities for players who did not start in Saturday’s 2-2 draw against Tottenham, including Calum Chambers, Mathieu Flamini, Alex Iwobi, Theo Walcott and Olivier Giroud.
Depending on whether they beat Hull, Arsenal will face either Watford in the FA Cup quarter-finals at the Emirates on Sunday or West Bromwich Albion in the Premier League on Saturday. “At the moment I try to keep the whole squad on alert and involve everybody,” said Wenger. “We play so many games at the moment that we sleep more in hotels. When I listen to people, should we lose a game in the FA Cup, it will be a disaster. You cannot say on one side it’s undervalued, and on the other side if we lose, it’s a disaster.”
People on here think Maureenio is arrogant, and he is, but he can be because he is a winner and has proven it. But Wonga is the most arrogant man in world football, no doubt about it. He puts himself on a level no-one can touch. He doesn't think anyone else has a valid point of view or more importantly, a 'correct' point of view if it doesn't happen to match what he thinks. No wonder our club is full of yes men, it's what Wonga loves, he is a dictator in the true sense of the word. He can't even see.....or refuses to see.....that he could actually severely damage the club (in mine and many others he already has) but what I mean is, if he goes on as manager for the next 3 to 5 years, Arsenal are likely to lose most of their hardcore support and the stadium will be full of tourists and part time fans (I know there is a fair bit of that already too). He has no humility and no self awareness. He is dangerous, very dangerous to the club and the one man that can get rid of him is not interested in the sporting side of football, just the financial side of things. There is only one way that Wonga will be removed from Arsenal in the next 5 years IMO, and that is if Usmanov decides to make Kranky an offer he can't refuse, but to be honest, has he even got the balls to tell Wonga to go?? We are fucked......seriously, 4th place is the best we can hope for for years and years to come.
