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Post by **flash gunner** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:31 am

He has a right to an opinion i suppose, its a load of old ***** but seeing as he gets a column i guess he can write what he wants. Must be a slow news month for him

kiwomya · Post by **kiwomya** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:11 am

Some reasonable points but to say that peoples opinions aren't as valid if they don't go to games is just fucking arrogant.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:23 am

Talk about "pots" and "kettles". I can't think of a more tedious, uninformed section of the Gooner.

What was that you said Mickey.........zzzzzzzz..........still going Mickey..........zzzzzzz.......

Doubt his withdrawal from contributing on a regular basis would be met with the same disappointment as the Highbury Spy's for example.

And by the way Mickey boy........33 years of watching Arsenal, home and away. Less so these days but at least half of those years week in, week out. I don't expect my opinions to be any more or less valid than those of punters that get to go to games once in a blue moon. Bore off

jamjc64 · Post by **jamjc64** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:23 am

Mmmm super fan alert. who is he anyway........... Maybe i can have a word

safcftm · Post by **safcftm** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:29 am

kiwomya wrote:Some reasonable points but to say that peoples opinions aren't as valid if they don't go to games is just fucking arrogant.

Its a difficult one that tbh- sometimes I agree with him. I go to the SAFC games and if I get back and say that Jack Colback had a good game, only to be told by someone watching on tele that he was shite, I'd say that they can't really comment having not been there. You see bits on the tele, but a lot of the work that goes on during a match (tracking your man, off the ball movement to find space, the intelligence to know where a player will look to pass and close it off) can be seen easily from in the stadium with a full view of the pitch whereas on tele it only really focuses on where the ball is. So if a player does a lot of great work off the ball it can be missed by someone watching on tele, who might think that all the player did was pass sideways as thats all that was shown on the screen. A player who passes sideways a lot can still play a vital role in a team, and sometimes having been there you'll see that there werent really forward options, which can be missed on tele.

Having said that, for major talking points (was it a penalty, should the corner that led to the goal actually have been a goal kick etc) you get at least as much knowledge of the incident from tele, probably more due to the multitude of angles and the number of replays.

So he sort of has a point. Mind, on the flip side again, I go to games pissed out of my skull, so I probably dont get much advantage at all

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:43 am

Mickey Canon wrote:I always take the opinion of someone who goes to games over someone who watches them on tv

what a bizzare thing to say. As if being 50 feet behind the goal in the new north bank gives you a better view of the whole game than watching it on tv being able to see the whole pitch

he'd take the worthless opinion of the average tourist we get at that sterile concrete hole than some of the intelligent people on here that don't want to give their hard earned away to the fatcats that run our business sorry I mean our club.

bore off :awnker:

kiwomya · Post by **kiwomya** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:11 am

safcftm wrote:
kiwomya wrote:Some reasonable points but to say that peoples opinions aren't as valid if they don't go to games is just fucking arrogant.
Its a difficult one that tbh- sometimes I agree with him. I go to the SAFC games and if I get back and say that Jack Colback had a good game, only to be told by someone watching on tele that he was shite, I'd say that they can't really comment having not been there. You see bits on the tele, but a lot of the work that goes on during a match (tracking your man, off the ball movement to find space, the intelligence to know where a player will look to pass and close it off) can be seen easily from in the stadium with a full view of the pitch whereas on tele it only really focuses on where the ball is. So if a player does a lot of great work off the ball it can be missed by someone watching on tele, who might think that all the player did was pass sideways as thats all that was shown on the screen. A player who passes sideways a lot can still play a vital role in a team, and sometimes having been there you'll see that there werent really forward options, which can be missed on tele.

Having said that, for major talking points (was it a penalty, should the corner that led to the goal actually have been a goal kick etc) you get at least as much knowledge of the incident from tele, probably more due to the multitude of angles and the number of replays.

So he sort of has a point. Mind, on the flip side again, I go to games pissed out of my skull, so I probably dont get much advantage at all

I know what you are saying. I think it probably comes down to the sort of people you might speak to about games. Many people I speak to who haven't been to games don't try to talk like they have been! When it comes down to the know it all wankers who think that going to a game means listening to analysis from Jamie Redknapp and Gary Neville then I can see he has a point....

That said, I've been sat in the clockend at Arsenal many times and not been able to see everything. I specifically remember sitting behind the goal during the 05 FA Cup final in Cardiff and seeing nothing apart form the odd corner. Ended up watching it on the fucking big screen!

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:54 am

Does he go every game? There can't be many that go every game that aren't known?

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:14 am

Tbh a lot of the people rallying against Wenger have been fans who don't go because they have been priced out of the Arsenal.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:25 pm

rigsby wrote:Tbh a lot of the people rallying against Wenger have been fans who don't go because they have been priced out of the Arsenal.

I don't see what that has got to do with Wenger.

do they want to see someone brought in who is not as successful so the ticket prices get reduced?

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:44 pm

I know who Mickey Cannon is, I have met him years back and chatted to him - he certainly used to go to an awful lot of games but I'm still a little bit surprised to read what he wrote but can understand to a point. Maybe he could have looked into the regulars on here a bit and he would have found that a lot are also regulars at home/away games or even season ticket holders.
However, he is entitled to an opinion and if anyone doesn't agree then they can write an article for the fanzine with an opposite or differing view! There's a good chance it would be published.

northbankbren · Post by **northbankbren** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:12 pm

to put it in a DB10 sort of way.

SUPERFAN ALERT SUPERFAN ALERT

While I agree with his one point that the banner should never have been posted on line the utter tosh about no being able to judge unless you go every week is utter superfan bullshit. Yeah our scouts go and watch a player 40 times in person before making a judgement, do me a favour.

And then the comment about tickets being on general sale, so no excuse not going. Is insulting to say the least. - For me that translates as - I dont give a fuck how much they charge me - sheeptype behaviour. And also arrogant to think that most actually have the money to go to every game.

I have a feeling whatever his name is doesnt have kids or a family, or even worse

kids and family who want to go to every game too.

Not everyone has the luxury of a season ticket, and can guarentee if this fella didnt and had 3 kids who wanted to go to every game - the actual price may become an issue.

And moaning about posters on fourms, where in fact your opinions are brought into question, where people disagree, and give their arguments for and against certain opinions.....as opposed to him who writes it yet doesnt have to respond to feedback...nice and easy life eh.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:33 pm

kiwomya wrote:Some reasonable points but to say that peoples opinions aren't as valid if they don't go to games is just arrogant.

No, I think it is true.

Both those who go and those who do not go can have valid opinions, but

if you only watch on TV you do not see the whole pitch and how the players line up in space or make off the ball runs, or how they talk to each other during a game, unless a skilled director shows replays from different angles.

M-50 · Post by **M-50** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:34 pm

JMascis666 wrote:I read the Mickey Cannon stuff, he came over as a right Super-Fan.

His basic point appeared to be that his opinion is more important than anyone elses. He should come on here and argue his points if he has so much faith in them in my opinion rather than sniping away from a fanzine.

Will you shoot me your mobile via pm please mate.

northbankbren · Post by **northbankbren** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:47 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:
kiwomya wrote:Some reasonable points but to say that peoples opinions aren't as valid if they don't go to games is just arrogant.
No, I think it is true.

Both those who go and those who do not go can have valid opinions, but

if you only watch on TV you do not see the whole pitch and how the players line up in space or make off the ball runs, or how they talk to each other during a game, unless a skilled director shows replays from different angles.

I agree with you quartz that being at the game means you can read and take in far much more of what is happening on the pitch, but the way this fella puts it, is that if your not at ALL the games you cant judge or have an opinion. Which we all know is pure rubbish. I havent been to every game this season, and watched full 90mins of all games I havent been to.

And I'd honestly say there isnt any tactical or individual habits within the team that mickey cannon has picked up on that those who go quite a lot like me but not all the time, as opposed to season ticket holders, or those who go to all games. Yes you'll miss small incidents like little arguments between players or the odd off the ball incident, but to say your not entitled to an opinion if you dont go to all games (which imo is what he's saying) is rubbish.