Let's All Laugh At Man Utd! (Merged thread)

[LDB]

No Europe.. lump on the Mancs for the league and Liverpool to drop out of the top 4.

[GranadaJoe]

Van Gaal doesn't take shit from anyone and it'll be interesting to see what happens if Rooney throws his toys out of the pram. The Board can only back one of them.
I suspect VG would be happy to get shot and invest the money elsewhere.

Whatever happens it's sure to be entertaining.

[northbank123]

No Europe.. lump on the Mancs for the league and Liverpool to drop out of the top 4.

Don't think United will quite be there next season but agree with the sentiment and think Liverpool will finish 5th. Don't buy into all this doom-mongering about how things will get worse before they get better and it will take United years before they're even capable of qualifying for the CL again. There is still a fair amount of quality in that squad with De Gea, Rooney, van Judas, Mata and even Valencia if they can get him performing, if they go out and spend £100m and offer big wages as I suspect they will there's no reason they can't challenge for the league. Despite their weakness in midfield this year their problems are exacerbated by not being able to defend, puts so much more pressure on the rest of the team.

[Blood_Gooner]

Valencia is shit tbh.

And I'm not buying into this media hype for a second re: this utterly arrogant *word censored*, Van Gaal, stepping in to immediately turn them if a dominant force again. A spent force he is, imo, living off past glory (eerily familiar) which ended from around 1997.

[northbank123]

Valencia is shit tbh.

And I'm not buying into this media hype for a second re: this utterly arrogant *word censored*, Van Gaal, stepping in to immediately turn them if a dominant force again. A spent force he is, imo, living off past glory (eerily familiar) which ended from around 1997.

He's not shit. I tagged him onto that list, he's not in the same bracket as the others and not a player you'd build your whole shape around when you already have to figure out how to cram in Rooney, van Judas and Mata and another possible £100m to spend. But he's proven before that he can provide consistent quality over a season, the point is there is more to work with there than a lot of people are acknowledging.

Likewise Carrick is a useful player - not outstanding, obvious limitations and his best days are behind him. But he suffers from not being a media darling - he has been a central part of a side that has won 5 PL titles and a CL trophy and tbh doesn't get the credit for that. If you're looking for a rapid transition a player like him can be extremely valuable.

Do people really think there is a lot less talent there than at Anfield last summer? Liverpool did fantastically well this year despite their hilarious SLIP, but last summer they spent £50m without even really improving the team. If United go out and buy three big players and a few other squad players no reason they can't win the league next year imo.

[augie]

I can see this going tits up and ending in tears.

The entitled class of 92 with Giggs spearheading it will stop at nothing to grab hold of the reins of power there.

Judas to be made captain won't go down well with the granny shagger.

The tears will be flowing soon enough best believe.

I know that van gaal is strong willed and wont take any shit, but I am absolutely amazed that he agreed to keep gigs as his assistant Surely anybody with half a brain can recognise the shit he caused behind the scenes which eventually led to moyes departure, and how can any manager trust a guy that has history for stabbing his boss in the back (and shagging his brother's wife ) ?

I don't envy van gaal when it comes to tackling the rvp/shrek situation - most of us believe that it will be impossible for them to co-exist as main men at the club as it appears that there is some jealously between them, so how vg deals with that will be interesting. People assume that the granny shagger will be history but the guy is on 300k per week and will be virtually impossible to move on unless he agree's to take a pay cut (imo he is unlikely to do that if he feels that he is being forced out). If by some miracle vg does get them to form a harmonious and successful striking partnership then the rest of the league had better watch out cos those two are capable of dragging a mediocre team into position to challenge and win trophies.

Was talking to a couple of my manc supporting buddies yesterday and they all fear that mata will be the one shafted by van gaal

[Blood_Gooner]

Northbank123,

Difference with the dippers was their blistering pace going fwd and an extra bit of quality in Suarez. Sterling caused nightmares with his darting direct runs at pace and with much strength, and Sturridge managed to shock the football fraternity with his above average finishing last season.

I'm not expecting the Judas *word censored* to be as good as he was his last season with us and 1st season at the filth. Throw in his dodgy injury record, which seems to have crept back in over the course of last season, and it's all but guaranteed that he won't be setting the league on fire.

Who knows which side of the ugly granny shagger will show up under the Dutch Stalin, who isn't one to molly cuddle twats like him.

Mata I've always felt was an overrated Spanish B lister from his chavs days. Him joining the filth has done nothing to change my perception of him.

As for Valencia, again, he's shit and a majority of the filth fans seem to want him out as much as they want out other wasters such as Youngie and Nani to fuck off.

[QuartzGooner]

I would not trust Giggs as far as I could throw him.
A man who cheats on his wife with his brother's wife is a slippery so and so.

That said, I think he is cunning.
He is shrewd enough to know that Man Utd have a bit of work to do to get back to being competitive, and it would suit Giggs that Van Gaal could be the fall guy if it goes wrong.
It is also likely that given Van Gaal's career and age he would be looking to hang around 3 - 5 seasons maximum, which gives Giggs a chance to learn the business side of management without being in the direct firing line.
He can then be in prime position to take over the manager's job, or leave for another club should he so wish.

It is fascinating to see what happens now with RvP.
I thought he would leave this summer leaving Mata as number 10, but that looks unlikely now.

[northbank123]

Northbank123,

Difference with the dippers was their blistering pace going fwd and an extra bit of quality in Suarez. Sterling caused nightmares with his darting direct runs at pace and with much strength, and Sturridge managed to shock the football fraternity with his above average finishing last season.

I'm not expecting the Judas *word censored* to be as good as he was his last season with us and 1st season at the filth. Throw in his dodgy injury record, which seems to have crept back in over the course of last season, and it's all but guaranteed that he won't be setting the league on fire.

Who knows which side of the ugly granny shagger will show up under the Dutch Stalin, who isn't one to molly cuddle twats like him.

Mata I've always felt was an overrated Spanish B lister from his chavs days. Him joining the filth has done nothing to change my perception of him.

As for Valencia, again, he's shit and a majority of the filth fans seem to want him out as much as they want out other wasters such as Youngie and Nani to fuck off.

Sterling had done nothing really in football until January, last year you would have been laughed out for rubbishing players like Mata and Valencia yet hyping him up. Players can unexpectedly step up and United have enough who possess enough ability and have been around the block to contribute to a successful season.

Liverpool's fundamental transformation is due to finding a system that best utilises their players, who as a group punched well above their weight this season. I think that this season Liverpool pretty much hit their maximum and without a few good signings will really struggle to repeat it. Rodgers also already had a year to work on his squad and far less scrutiny or the annoyance of having to offload a stream of players.

But whilst I don't think it's realistic to expect van Gaal to be able to find the 'magic formula' in the same way that Rodgers seemed to second half of this season, if he can make some good signings with the money available and find a way to get something near the best out of the squad he starts the season with, I don't see why they can't win the league. Which is what I would also say in theory for us, Chelsea and Liverpool. I just don't buy into this view that they are a side devoid of any quality other than a useful keeper and a few overrated mismatched forwards.

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

Its going to be interesting next season. Obv City and Chavs are guaranteed to be in top 4 (ok I know they dropped out a few years ago), but that leaves:

UTD, Liverpool, Spurs and us for the last 2 places.

Spurs I dont think will be there, they are extraordinarily ordinary.
Liverpool are Suarez FC, but it looks like they will keep him
UTD will have 150m to spend + no europe, which is a scary combination. However, we
Arsenal have a good defensive partnership that UTD dont have.

Its pointless trying to predict it really is. Who would have thought UTD would drop out?

[clockender1]

VG's main problem is Rooney - Giggs will sit tight - with no Rio, Vidic, Evra, Phil Neville to back him up now he's on very thin ice.

if Giggs steps out of line VG will sack or demote him, The Glazers won't let anything get in the way of 4th - the survival of their stake in the club depends on it, they will back VG.

i think VG will either drop Rooney by September or Sell him in January - too heavy, too slow and too distracted.

Liverpool will strengthen their backline - have to, united will improve but only top 4, city will have a fit Aguero and the chavs will disappoint and beat us to 4th.

City
Liverpool
United
Chavs
Us/Everton.

but ask me again on 01/09.

[Blood_Gooner]

Northbank123,

Difference with the dippers was their blistering pace going fwd and an extra bit of quality in Suarez. Sterling caused nightmares with his darting direct runs at pace and with much strength, and Sturridge managed to shock the football fraternity with his above average finishing last season.

I'm not expecting the Judas *word censored* to be as good as he was his last season with us and 1st season at the filth. Throw in his dodgy injury record, which seems to have crept back in over the course of last season, and it's all but guaranteed that he won't be setting the league on fire.

Who knows which side of the ugly granny shagger will show up under the Dutch Stalin, who isn't one to molly cuddle twats like him.

Mata I've always felt was an overrated Spanish B lister from his chavs days. Him joining the filth has done nothing to change my perception of him.

As for Valencia, again, he's shit and a majority of the filth fans seem to want him out as much as they want out other wasters such as Youngie and Nani to fuck off.

Sterling had done nothing really in football until January, last year you would have been laughed out for rubbishing players like Mata and Valencia yet hyping him up. Players can unexpectedly step up and United have enough who possess enough ability and have been around the block to contribute to a successful season.

Liverpool's fundamental transformation is due to finding a system that best utilises their players, who as a group punched well above their weight this season. I think that this season Liverpool pretty much hit their maximum and without a few good signings will really struggle to repeat it. Rodgers also already had a year to work on his squad and far less scrutiny or the annoyance of having to offload a stream of players.

But whilst I don't think it's realistic to expect van Gaal to be able to find the 'magic formula' in the same way that Rodgers seemed to second half of this season, if he can make some good signings with the money available and find a way to get something near the best out of the squad he starts the season with, I don't see why they can't win the league. Which is what I would also say in theory for us, Chelsea and Liverpool. I just don't buy into this view that they are a side devoid of any quality other than a useful keeper and a few overrated mismatched forwards.

I'm not trying to lift Sterling above anyone in particular. I was merely outlining what I think the dippers had going for them last season in terms of personnel and how they contributed.

I always enjoy reading your posts and value your views very highly, but I just cannot agree with you that Valencia is quality.

[SteveO 35]

All I hope is that Sky Sports show the Van Gaal story and confirmation that Giggs is his assistant another 315 times today.

Fuck all that winning cups nonsense

[DB10GOONER]

Valencia is shit tbh.

And I'm not buying into this media hype for a second re: this utterly arrogant *word censored*, Van Gaal, stepping in to immediately turn them if a dominant force again. A spent force he is, imo, living off past glory (eerily familiar) which ended from around 1997.

Erm... I think he has won something like 7 or 8 trophies since then, mate...

But I think it will end in acrimony as he seems to get pissed off with people / piss off people everywhere he goes and never lasts anywhere more than 3 or 4 years. But then apart from Arsene, and Rednose previously, the days of managers staying in charge at a single club in the PL for 5 - 10 years or more are over really anyway.

He will win Manure a trophy or two in that time but he'll be gone under a cloud by 2018.

[officepest]

Valencia is shit tbh.

And I'm not buying into this media hype for a second re: this utterly arrogant *word censored*, Van Gaal, stepping in to immediately turn them if a dominant force again. A spent force he is, imo, living off past glory (eerily familiar) which ended from around 1997.

Erm... I think he has won something like 7 or 8 trophies since then, mate...

But I think it will end in acrimony as he seems to get pissed off with people / piss off people everywhere he goes and never lasts anywhere more than 3 or 4 years. But then apart from Arsene, and Rednose previously, the days of managers staying in charge at a single club in the PL for 5 - 10 years or more are over really anyway.

He will win Manure a trophy or two in that time but he'll be gone under a cloud by 2018.

LvG: Win things, alienate everybody, leave.

He'll arrest the decay, probably kill Ronney, then sack Giggs and move on.