The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[nut flush gooner]

The need for house building relates to the number of people that need to be housed. The latest figures on the population increase suggests that 49% of the predicted increase will come from later deaths and births, the rest from people coming in to the country. As we have discussed earlier with the decline of our employment base outside the big cities many places are finding their population expanding at a much faster rate than the local services can cope with. This does bring us to immigration but not necessarily from a racist point of view , just common sense.
Their is a split in opinion from various parts of the population . The older generation definitely see things differently to the young. I blame Thatcher and her "You can have society ". The baby boomers were bought up to realise that if you could not afford something then you didn't buy it . Subsequently the flexible friend turned out to be flexible but nobodies friend as excess credit took it's hold.. I said right at the beginning of this thread that immigration is not the big bogeyman that people make it to be. There is no problem with people coming here providing that they bring something with them that is useful.

Somewhat ironic the day after a march was held in Harlow in honour of a Polish bloke that was killed by a mob of local youths. Harlow is an utter shithole, a satellite town just outside London that emphatically voted for Brexit and for sure harbours the type of people who up and down the country think in exactly the same prejudiced way. You cannot get away from the fact that Brexit has brought quite a few people with extreme views out of the woodwork.

You mention Margaret Thatcher, immigration policy under her government was very strict.

As for the older generation, we have a demographic time bomb in this country. People living longer, needing care in their old age, help with social security due to illness or disability and adequate healthcare means we need a strong robust economy to fund the taxes that are needed to pay for all of these costs.

How do you solve this problem, well the obvious way is to inflate the workforce and the quickest way of doing this is through immigration. The types of jobs the immigrants do at the lower end of the scale such as working in care homes, domestic and commercial cleaning, and fruit pickers amongst others are exactly the sort of jobs that the indigenous population won't do. Yet it is these people who moan about "foreigners coming in and taking our jobs".

There is a general resentment in this country from people who don't like others who take things (eg housing) they think they should be entitled to. These are exactly the same people who can't be bothered to get off their backsides and graft to provide for themselves and their families.

On the subject of housing our building companies are just as guilty of the shortfall in meeting our housing needs as government. They have ridiculous hoards of land waiting for new houses to be built on. They won't build at any rate because they know that if the supply of property is short, then they can squeeze the maximum profit out of each property sale.

I genuinely think if there was a second vote, it wouldn't be the same outcome.

[A11M11]

Quite possible that the margin could be wider. Since the last vote most of the remain remarks have been tainted with self interest . Nothing dramatic has changed since the vote and the promises of hell and brimstone have not appeared and those scared into voting to stay ,quite possibly could vote to leave.

[nut flush gooner]

Quite possible that the margin could be wider. Since the last vote most of the remain remarks have been tainted with self interest . Nothing dramatic has changed since the vote and the promises of hell and brimstone have not appeared and those scared into voting to stay ,quite possibly could vote to leave.

The reason nothing has changed is because we are still part of the EU. Do you honestly think two months is sufficient enough time to look at the true impact. We have to activate article 50 then let's have a proper debate.

I am 90% certain that the consequences for this country will be negative. As I said being aspirational is not a bad thing. Much better than having a pop at immigrants as was the case on Harlow again this morning.

[hertsgunner]

The need for house building relates to the number of people that need to be housed. The latest figures on the population increase suggests that 49% of the predicted increase will come from later deaths and births, the rest from people coming in to the country. As we have discussed earlier with the decline of our employment base outside the big cities many places are finding their population expanding at a much faster rate than the local services can cope with. This does bring us to immigration but not necessarily from a racist point of view , just common sense.
Their is a split in opinion from various parts of the population . The older generation definitely see things differently to the young. I blame Thatcher and her "You can have society ". The baby boomers were bought up to realise that if you could not afford something then you didn't buy it . Subsequently the flexible friend turned out to be flexible but nobodies friend as excess credit took it's hold.. I said right at the beginning of this thread that immigration is not the big bogeyman that people make it to be. There is no problem with people coming here providing that they bring something with them that is useful.

Somewhat ironic the day after a march was held in Harlow in honour of a Polish bloke that was killed by a mob of local youths. Harlow is an utter shithole, a satellite town just outside London that emphatically voted for Brexit and for sure harbours the type of people who up and down the country think in exactly the same prejudiced way. You cannot get away from the fact that Brexit has brought quite a few people with extreme views out of the woodwork.

You mention Margaret Thatcher, immigration policy under her government was very strict.

As for the older generation, we have a demographic time bomb in this country. People living longer, needing care in their old age, help with social security due to illness or disability and adequate healthcare means we need a strong robust economy to fund the taxes that are needed to pay for all of these costs.

How do you solve this problem, well the obvious way is to inflate the workforce and the quickest way of doing this is through immigration. The types of jobs the immigrants do at the lower end of the scale such as working in care homes, domestic and commercial cleaning, and fruit pickers amongst others are exactly the sort of jobs that the indigenous population won't do. Yet it is these people who moan about "foreigners coming in and taking our jobs".

There is a general resentment in this country from people who don't like others who take things (eg housing) they think they should be entitled to. These are exactly the same people who can't be bothered to get off their backsides and graft to provide for themselves and their families.

On the subject of housing our building companies are just as guilty of the shortfall in meeting our housing needs as government. They have ridiculous hoards of land waiting for new houses to be built on. They won't build at any rate because they know that if the supply of property is short, then they can squeeze the maximum profit out of each property sale.

I genuinely think if there was a second vote, it wouldn't be the same outcome.

Very bad what's gone on in Harlow the last week but the scum that attacked the Polish guy would be found in most towns and cities across the country, that part of Harlow has been plagued by scum for months but the old bill haven't got the balls to go in there and put the fear of God up them. It's a bit naughty of you to slag off a whole town like that, I know quite a few people from Harlow and their are decent people mate.

[nut flush gooner]

The need for house building relates to the number of people that need to be housed. The latest figures on the population increase suggests that 49% of the predicted increase will come from later deaths and births, the rest from people coming in to the country. As we have discussed earlier with the decline of our employment base outside the big cities many places are finding their population expanding at a much faster rate than the local services can cope with. This does bring us to immigration but not necessarily from a racist point of view , just common sense.
Their is a split in opinion from various parts of the population . The older generation definitely see things differently to the young. I blame Thatcher and her "You can have society ". The baby boomers were bought up to realise that if you could not afford something then you didn't buy it . Subsequently the flexible friend turned out to be flexible but nobodies friend as excess credit took it's hold.. I said right at the beginning of this thread that immigration is not the big bogeyman that people make it to be. There is no problem with people coming here providing that they bring something with them that is useful.

Somewhat ironic the day after a march was held in Harlow in honour of a Polish bloke that was killed by a mob of local youths. Harlow is an utter shithole, a satellite town just outside London that emphatically voted for Brexit and for sure harbours the type of people who up and down the country think in exactly the same prejudiced way. You cannot get away from the fact that Brexit has brought quite a few people with extreme views out of the woodwork.

You mention Margaret Thatcher, immigration policy under her government was very strict.

As for the older generation, we have a demographic time bomb in this country. People living longer, needing care in their old age, help with social security due to illness or disability and adequate healthcare means we need a strong robust economy to fund the taxes that are needed to pay for all of these costs.

How do you solve this problem, well the obvious way is to inflate the workforce and the quickest way of doing this is through immigration. The types of jobs the immigrants do at the lower end of the scale such as working in care homes, domestic and commercial cleaning, and fruit pickers amongst others are exactly the sort of jobs that the indigenous population won't do. Yet it is these people who moan about "foreigners coming in and taking our jobs".

There is a general resentment in this country from people who don't like others who take things (eg housing) they think they should be entitled to. These are exactly the same people who can't be bothered to get off their backsides and graft to provide for themselves and their families.

On the subject of housing our building companies are just as guilty of the shortfall in meeting our housing needs as government. They have ridiculous hoards of land waiting for new houses to be built on. They won't build at any rate because they know that if the supply of property is short, then they can squeeze the maximum profit out of each property sale.

I genuinely think if there was a second vote, it wouldn't be the same outcome.

Very bad what's gone on in Harlow the last week but the scum that attacked the Polish guy would be found in most towns and cities across the country, that part of Harlow has been plagued by scum for months but the old bill haven't got the balls to go in there and put the fear of God up them. It's a bit naughty of you to slag off a whole town like that, I know quite a few people from Harlow and their are decent people mate.

I am sure they are, but where in my post did I slag the whole town off (in terms of its population) apart from calling it a shithole? In every town/city in this country there are people who have that sort of mindset, but in Harlow having been to the area loads, it's not unreasonable to say there are more of these sorts of people than other parts of Herts/Essex.

Compared with somewhere like St Albans, it's a poor town. In poor towns things like immigration breeds resentment over housing/jobs much more.

[Chippy]

Ooops

At the start of the G20 Summit, the Japanese government has taken the unprecedented step of warning of a series of corporate exits, "great turmoil" and harmful effects if Brexit leads to the loss of single market privileges.

An official Japanese government task force on Brexit, has collated views of big Japanese companies from car companies to banks and pharmaceutical companies that invest in the UK.

It has produced a 15-page list titled "Japan's message to the UK and the EU", detailing requirements from Brexit negotiations.

It lists the consequences if the requirements are not delivered.

Half of Japanese investment in the EU comes to the UK including companies such as Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi, Nomura and Daiwa.

Japan's next PM Shinzo Abe attends a news conference in Tokyo
Mr Abe is likely to meet Theresa May later this month in New York.
"Japanese businesses with their European headquarters in the UK may decide to transfer their head-office function to Continental Europe if EU laws cease to be applicable in the UK after its withdrawal," the report concludes.

It says: "In light of the fact that a number of Japanese businesses, invited by the Government in some cases, have invested actively to the UK, which was seen to be a gateway to Europe, and have established value-chains across Europe, we strongly request that the UK will consider this fact seriously and respond in a responsible manner to minimise any harmful effects on these businesses."

The list is the most tangible account anywhere of what businesses are asking for from the Brexit negotiations.

It suggests Japanese car companies fear that they will be hit by a double whammy of trade tariffs.

There were fears of levies being imposed twice "once for auto parts imported from the EU and again for final products assembled in the UK to be exported to the EU - which would have a significant impact on their businesses.".

Barack Obama: I never said Britain would be punished


Video: Obama Holds News Conference With May
The report also states that the UK leaving the EU would damage exports from Britain to third countries because of trade privileges within the EU single market around so-called "rules of origin".

"Brexit would make such products unable to meet the rules of origin as EU products, which means that Japanese companies operating in the EU would not be able to enjoy the benefit of the Free Trade Areas concluded by the EU," the report said.

It also calls on the UK to "maintain access to workers who are nationals of the UK or the EU", saying the European labour market could suffer "great turmoil" if EU nationals could not freely travel between and stay in the UK and continental Europe.

The Japanese government warns its banks will move their European HQs out of London if the Brexit negotiations fail to secure the financial services passport to operate in the EU.

"If Japanese financial institutions are unable to maintain the single passport obtained in the UK, they would face difficulties in their business operations in the EU and might have to acquire corporate status within the EU anew and obtain the passport again, or to relocate their operations from the UK to existing establishments in the EU," said the report.

Eddie Izzard at pro-Europe march in London


Video: Izzard Urges Leaders To 'Make Brexit Work'
This concern has already been noted by the Bank of England, but this is the strongest indication yet of other nations spelling out the implications of some types of Brexit.

Those impacts also will be felt in the pharmaceutical industry, says the report, which sees the location of the EU's European Medicines Agency in London as crucial to the UK's high tech research appeal.

"Many Japanese pharmaceutical companies are operating in London, due to the EMA's location in London.

"If the EMA were to transfer to other EU Member States, the appeal of London as an environment for the development of pharmaceuticals would be lost, which could possibly lead to a shift in the flow of R&D funds and personnel to Continental Europe.

"This could force Japanese companies to reconsider their business activities," says the report.

PM Shinzo Abe warned of some of this ahead of the Brexit vote in a joint press conference with then-Prime Minister David Cameron.

UK officials reacted with astonishment that Japan had chosen to publish this list of concerns and demands.

PM Theresa May is likely to meet Mr Abe later this month in New York.

More scare mongering. BTW I used to work for a very famous Japanese company and they are preparing to move their European HQ from the UK.

http://news.sky.com/story/japans-unprec ... t-10564585

[nut flush gooner]

Ooops

At the start of the G20 Summit, the Japanese government has taken the unprecedented step of warning of a series of corporate exits, "great turmoil" and harmful effects if Brexit leads to the loss of single market privileges.

An official Japanese government task force on Brexit, has collated views of big Japanese companies from car companies to banks and pharmaceutical companies that invest in the UK.

It has produced a 15-page list titled "Japan's message to the UK and the EU", detailing requirements from Brexit negotiations.

It lists the consequences if the requirements are not delivered.

Half of Japanese investment in the EU comes to the UK including companies such as Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi, Nomura and Daiwa.

Japan's next PM Shinzo Abe attends a news conference in Tokyo
Mr Abe is likely to meet Theresa May later this month in New York.
"Japanese businesses with their European headquarters in the UK may decide to transfer their head-office function to Continental Europe if EU laws cease to be applicable in the UK after its withdrawal," the report concludes.

It says: "In light of the fact that a number of Japanese businesses, invited by the Government in some cases, have invested actively to the UK, which was seen to be a gateway to Europe, and have established value-chains across Europe, we strongly request that the UK will consider this fact seriously and respond in a responsible manner to minimise any harmful effects on these businesses."

The list is the most tangible account anywhere of what businesses are asking for from the Brexit negotiations.

It suggests Japanese car companies fear that they will be hit by a double whammy of trade tariffs.

There were fears of levies being imposed twice "once for auto parts imported from the EU and again for final products assembled in the UK to be exported to the EU - which would have a significant impact on their businesses.".

Barack Obama: I never said Britain would be punished


Video: Obama Holds News Conference With May
The report also states that the UK leaving the EU would damage exports from Britain to third countries because of trade privileges within the EU single market around so-called "rules of origin".

"Brexit would make such products unable to meet the rules of origin as EU products, which means that Japanese companies operating in the EU would not be able to enjoy the benefit of the Free Trade Areas concluded by the EU," the report said.

It also calls on the UK to "maintain access to workers who are nationals of the UK or the EU", saying the European labour market could suffer "great turmoil" if EU nationals could not freely travel between and stay in the UK and continental Europe.

The Japanese government warns its banks will move their European HQs out of London if the Brexit negotiations fail to secure the financial services passport to operate in the EU.

"If Japanese financial institutions are unable to maintain the single passport obtained in the UK, they would face difficulties in their business operations in the EU and might have to acquire corporate status within the EU anew and obtain the passport again, or to relocate their operations from the UK to existing establishments in the EU," said the report.

Eddie Izzard at pro-Europe march in London


Video: Izzard Urges Leaders To 'Make Brexit Work'
This concern has already been noted by the Bank of England, but this is the strongest indication yet of other nations spelling out the implications of some types of Brexit.

Those impacts also will be felt in the pharmaceutical industry, says the report, which sees the location of the EU's European Medicines Agency in London as crucial to the UK's high tech research appeal.

"Many Japanese pharmaceutical companies are operating in London, due to the EMA's location in London.

"If the EMA were to transfer to other EU Member States, the appeal of London as an environment for the development of pharmaceuticals would be lost, which could possibly lead to a shift in the flow of R&D funds and personnel to Continental Europe.

"This could force Japanese companies to reconsider their business activities," says the report.

PM Shinzo Abe warned of some of this ahead of the Brexit vote in a joint press conference with then-Prime Minister David Cameron.

UK officials reacted with astonishment that Japan had chosen to publish this list of concerns and demands.

PM Theresa May is likely to meet Mr Abe later this month in New York.

More scare mongering. BTW I used to work for a very famous Japanese company and they are preparing to move their European HQ from the UK.

http://news.sky.com/story/japans-unprec ... t-10564585

This is the thing, most people are being lulled into a false sense of security thinking everything in the garden is rosy. It will only remain that way if all these companies that invest vast sums of money in this country remain, if they Brexit (excuse the pun couldn't resist it) the UK then thousands upon thousands of jobs will go.

Again I reiterate, the referendum should never have been given to the people, who really did not weigh up all of the relevant issues.

[hertsgunner]

The need for house building relates to the number of people that need to be housed. The latest figures on the population increase suggests that 49% of the predicted increase will come from later deaths and births, the rest from people coming in to the country. As we have discussed earlier with the decline of our employment base outside the big cities many places are finding their population expanding at a much faster rate than the local services can cope with. This does bring us to immigration but not necessarily from a racist point of view , just common sense.
Their is a split in opinion from various parts of the population . The older generation definitely see things differently to the young. I blame Thatcher and her "You can have society ". The baby boomers were bought up to realise that if you could not afford something then you didn't buy it . Subsequently the flexible friend turned out to be flexible but nobodies friend as excess credit took it's hold.. I said right at the beginning of this thread that immigration is not the big bogeyman that people make it to be. There is no problem with people coming here providing that they bring something with them that is useful.

Somewhat ironic the day after a march was held in Harlow in honour of a Polish bloke that was killed by a mob of local youths. Harlow is an utter shithole, a satellite town just outside London that emphatically voted for Brexit and for sure harbours the type of people who up and down the country think in exactly the same prejudiced way. You cannot get away from the fact that Brexit has brought quite a few people with extreme views out of the woodwork.

You mention Margaret Thatcher, immigration policy under her government was very strict.

As for the older generation, we have a demographic time bomb in this country. People living longer, needing care in their old age, help with social security due to illness or disability and adequate healthcare means we need a strong robust economy to fund the taxes that are needed to pay for all of these costs.

How do you solve this problem, well the obvious way is to inflate the workforce and the quickest way of doing this is through immigration. The types of jobs the immigrants do at the lower end of the scale such as working in care homes, domestic and commercial cleaning, and fruit pickers amongst others are exactly the sort of jobs that the indigenous population won't do. Yet it is these people who moan about "foreigners coming in and taking our jobs".

There is a general resentment in this country from people who don't like others who take things (eg housing) they think they should be entitled to. These are exactly the same people who can't be bothered to get off their backsides and graft to provide for themselves and their families.

On the subject of housing our building companies are just as guilty of the shortfall in meeting our housing needs as government. They have ridiculous hoards of land waiting for new houses to be built on. They won't build at any rate because they know that if the supply of property is short, then they can squeeze the maximum profit out of each property sale.

I genuinely think if there was a second vote, it wouldn't be the same outcome.

Very bad what's gone on in Harlow the last week but the scum that attacked the Polish guy would be found in most towns and cities across the country, that part of Harlow has been plagued by scum for months but the old bill haven't got the balls to go in there and put the fear of God up them. It's a bit naughty of you to slag off a whole town like that, I know quite a few people from Harlow and their are decent people mate.

I am sure they are, but where in my post did I slag the whole town off (in terms of its population) apart from calling it a shithole? In every town/city in this country there are people who have that sort of mindset, but in Harlow having been to the area loads, it's not unreasonable to say there are more of these sorts of people than other parts of Herts/Essex.

Compared with somewhere like St Albans, it's a poor town. In poor towns things like immigration breeds resentment over housing/jobs much more.

Wow I didn't know we had a mastermind amongst us, you've been to the area loads so that makes you an expert, you have your views I have mine let's leave it there.

[nut flush gooner]

The need for house building relates to the number of people that need to be housed. The latest figures on the population increase suggests that 49% of the predicted increase will come from later deaths and births, the rest from people coming in to the country. As we have discussed earlier with the decline of our employment base outside the big cities many places are finding their population expanding at a much faster rate than the local services can cope with. This does bring us to immigration but not necessarily from a racist point of view , just common sense.
Their is a split in opinion from various parts of the population . The older generation definitely see things differently to the young. I blame Thatcher and her "You can have society ". The baby boomers were bought up to realise that if you could not afford something then you didn't buy it . Subsequently the flexible friend turned out to be flexible but nobodies friend as excess credit took it's hold.. I said right at the beginning of this thread that immigration is not the big bogeyman that people make it to be. There is no problem with people coming here providing that they bring something with them that is useful.

Somewhat ironic the day after a march was held in Harlow in honour of a Polish bloke that was killed by a mob of local youths. Harlow is an utter shithole, a satellite town just outside London that emphatically voted for Brexit and for sure harbours the type of people who up and down the country think in exactly the same prejudiced way. You cannot get away from the fact that Brexit has brought quite a few people with extreme views out of the woodwork.

You mention Margaret Thatcher, immigration policy under her government was very strict.

As for the older generation, we have a demographic time bomb in this country. People living longer, needing care in their old age, help with social security due to illness or disability and adequate healthcare means we need a strong robust economy to fund the taxes that are needed to pay for all of these costs.

How do you solve this problem, well the obvious way is to inflate the workforce and the quickest way of doing this is through immigration. The types of jobs the immigrants do at the lower end of the scale such as working in care homes, domestic and commercial cleaning, and fruit pickers amongst others are exactly the sort of jobs that the indigenous population won't do. Yet it is these people who moan about "foreigners coming in and taking our jobs".

There is a general resentment in this country from people who don't like others who take things (eg housing) they think they should be entitled to. These are exactly the same people who can't be bothered to get off their backsides and graft to provide for themselves and their families.

On the subject of housing our building companies are just as guilty of the shortfall in meeting our housing needs as government. They have ridiculous hoards of land waiting for new houses to be built on. They won't build at any rate because they know that if the supply of property is short, then they can squeeze the maximum profit out of each property sale.

I genuinely think if there was a second vote, it wouldn't be the same outcome.

Very bad what's gone on in Harlow the last week but the scum that attacked the Polish guy would be found in most towns and cities across the country, that part of Harlow has been plagued by scum for months but the old bill haven't got the balls to go in there and put the fear of God up them. It's a bit naughty of you to slag off a whole town like that, I know quite a few people from Harlow and their are decent people mate.

I am sure they are, but where in my post did I slag the whole town off (in terms of its population) apart from calling it a shithole? In every town/city in this country there are people who have that sort of mindset, but in Harlow having been to the area loads, it's not unreasonable to say there are more of these sorts of people than other parts of Herts/Essex.

Compared with somewhere like St Albans, it's a poor town. In poor towns things like immigration breeds resentment over housing/jobs much more.

Wow I didn't know we had a mastermind amongst us, you've been to the area loads so that makes you an expert, you have your views I have mine let's leave it there.

What does being a mastermind have to do with anything? Let's just get this perfectly clear, a Polish man was killed just going about his daily chores. Yesterday less than 24 hours after a well publicised vigil for this victim 2 further poles where attacked outside a pub in Harlow.

Harlow has long had a reputation before these attacks, don't try and paint a town out to be something that it isn't just because you have "good" mates. It's like Tottenham in Essex.

[hertsgunner]

Somewhat ironic the day after a march was held in Harlow in honour of a Polish bloke that was killed by a mob of local youths. Harlow is an utter shithole, a satellite town just outside London that emphatically voted for Brexit and for sure harbours the type of people who up and down the country think in exactly the same prejudiced way. You cannot get away from the fact that Brexit has brought quite a few people with extreme views out of the woodwork.

You mention Margaret Thatcher, immigration policy under her government was very strict.

As for the older generation, we have a demographic time bomb in this country. People living longer, needing care in their old age, help with social security due to illness or disability and adequate healthcare means we need a strong robust economy to fund the taxes that are needed to pay for all of these costs.

How do you solve this problem, well the obvious way is to inflate the workforce and the quickest way of doing this is through immigration. The types of jobs the immigrants do at the lower end of the scale such as working in care homes, domestic and commercial cleaning, and fruit pickers amongst others are exactly the sort of jobs that the indigenous population won't do. Yet it is these people who moan about "foreigners coming in and taking our jobs".

There is a general resentment in this country from people who don't like others who take things (eg housing) they think they should be entitled to. These are exactly the same people who can't be bothered to get off their backsides and graft to provide for themselves and their families.

On the subject of housing our building companies are just as guilty of the shortfall in meeting our housing needs as government. They have ridiculous hoards of land waiting for new houses to be built on. They won't build at any rate because they know that if the supply of property is short, then they can squeeze the maximum profit out of each property sale.

I genuinely think if there was a second vote, it wouldn't be the same outcome.

Very bad what's gone on in Harlow the last week but the scum that attacked the Polish guy would be found in most towns and cities across the country, that part of Harlow has been plagued by scum for months but the old bill haven't got the balls to go in there and put the fear of God up them. It's a bit naughty of you to slag off a whole town like that, I know quite a few people from Harlow and their are decent people mate.

I am sure they are, but where in my post did I slag the whole town off (in terms of its population) apart from calling it a shithole? In every town/city in this country there are people who have that sort of mindset, but in Harlow having been to the area loads, it's not unreasonable to say there are more of these sorts of people than other parts of Herts/Essex.

Compared with somewhere like St Albans, it's a poor town. In poor towns things like immigration breeds resentment over housing/jobs much more.

Wow I didn't know we had a mastermind amongst us, you've been to the area loads so that makes you an expert, you have your views I have mine let's leave it there.

What does being a mastermind have to do with anything? Let's just get this perfectly clear, a Polish man was killed just going about his daily chores. Yesterday less than 24 hours after a well publicised vigil for this victim 2 further poles where attacked outside a pub in Harlow.

Harlow has long had a reputation before these attacks, don't try and paint a town out to be something that it isn't just because you have "good" mates. It's like Tottenham in Essex.

You really take the piss. It's like Tottenham in Essex. Is there anything that your not an expert on.No Harlow is not like Tottenham lets get this straight keep your sarcastic opinions to yourself cause I will keep digging you out.

[nut flush gooner]

Very bad what's gone on in Harlow the last week but the scum that attacked the Polish guy would be found in most towns and cities across the country, that part of Harlow has been plagued by scum for months but the old bill haven't got the balls to go in there and put the fear of God up them. It's a bit naughty of you to slag off a whole town like that, I know quite a few people from Harlow and their are decent people mate.

I am sure they are, but where in my post did I slag the whole town off (in terms of its population) apart from calling it a shithole? In every town/city in this country there are people who have that sort of mindset, but in Harlow having been to the area loads, it's not unreasonable to say there are more of these sorts of people than other parts of Herts/Essex.

Compared with somewhere like St Albans, it's a poor town. In poor towns things like immigration breeds resentment over housing/jobs much more.

Wow I didn't know we had a mastermind amongst us, you've been to the area loads so that makes you an expert, you have your views I have mine let's leave it there.

What does being a mastermind have to do with anything? Let's just get this perfectly clear, a Polish man was killed just going about his daily chores. Yesterday less than 24 hours after a well publicised vigil for this victim 2 further poles where attacked outside a pub in Harlow.

Harlow has long had a reputation before these attacks, don't try and paint a town out to be something that it isn't just because you have "good" mates. It's like Tottenham in Essex.

You really take the piss. It's like Tottenham in Essex. Is there anything that your not an expert on.No Harlow is not like Tottenham lets get this straight keep your sarcastic opinions to yourself cause I will keep digging you out.

Clearly it is judging by the way the locals behave..........

[Red Snapper]

It's probably disingenuous to mention that poor bloke in Harlow while ignoring that young woman murdered in West London and dumped in a canal by an immigrant who had previous or that bloke beaten to an unidentifiable pulp by a gang of foreign burglars. There's nasty, ignorant, vile people in every society but the Brexit vote didn't make them that way.

[DB10GOONER]

It's probably disingenuous to mention that poor bloke in Harlow while ignoring that young woman murdered in West London and dumped in a canal by an immigrant who had previous or that bloke beaten to an unidentifiable pulp by a gang of foreign burglars. There's nasty, ignorant, vile people in every society but the Brexit vote didn't make them that way.

Exactly. Every nation, race, creed and religion has good and bad people. Generalising doesn't help anyone.

[A11M11]

We have had instances of prejudicial unrest as long as I can remember , it goes back to Jewish beatings just after the war , through the West Indians and then Asian . Now it's eastern Europeans. It certainly has nothing to do with the recent referendum , more likely the policies that are meant to have dealt with the problems over a number of years are at fault.

[A11M11]

How do you solve this problem, well the obvious way is to inflate the workforce and the quickest way of doing this is through immigration. The types of jobs the immigrants do at the lower end of the scale such as working in care homes, domestic and commercial cleaning, and fruit pickers amongst others are exactly the sort of jobs that the indigenous population won't do. Yet it is these people who moan about "foreigners coming in and taking our jobs".


I agree that there is a need for immigration , I have never disputed this. However it must be controlled . After all how many hand car washes do we need ? Over 20 in Norwich at the moment. Mostly manned by Eastern Europeans or Portuguese , nearly all working just about 16 hours a week with the associated top ups. These people are drawing ,not contributing , and thereby hangs the problem. It's the nett result of the failure of politicians of all parties that have solved problems by bolting on something else rather than looking at the problem and setting out a policy to make things work properly.