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mikeyb772001 wrote:Without doubt RVP is arsenal through and through he loves the club and loves the fans. But again I keep saying it there is no room for sentiment!
If he was fit all season he would be the best striker in the prem and possibly for his position in the world. I couldn’t think of anyone better.
But never scored more than 11 league goals since 2004????????
This is alarming
If we had an average striker or even a dare I say it Bent , Defoe, Kevin Davies all 3 would of scored more than 11 league goals in 1 season.
We probably would of won the league.
These are just examples but the point remains the same. RVP for 11 goals and half a season or a striker that gets you 20+ goals and a whole season?
His injury history is very bad and if he carries on he will be in a wheel chair the time 2014 world cup arrives.
If it were me I would keep offer him a reduced contract or a pay as you go bonus.
You really think other teams will give us good money for a half season striker
Adebayor plundered well over 20 goals back in 08 and we came where in the league that year. Wrighty used to bang in 30+ a season and the year he got a title medal? It was about 10. Torres scored a shit load for Liverpool and where are his title medals?
Netiher half a season of RvP or a 20+ goal striker gives you a better shot at success. That comes from the state of the rest of the team, particularly defence.
I think the point is though that while a striker that hits 20+ PL goals a season doesn't guarantee the title, you simply cannot win the title without one.
Of coure he has to be added to a strong defence, top notch keeper and a creative and combative midfield that supplies and scores goals as well as dominating the middle of the pitch box to box.
mikeyb772001 wrote:Without doubt RVP is arsenal through and through he loves the club and loves the fans. But again I keep saying it there is no room for sentiment!
If he was fit all season he would be the best striker in the prem and possibly for his position in the world. I couldn’t think of anyone better.
But never scored more than 11 league goals since 2004????????
This is alarming
If we had an average striker or even a dare I say it Bent , Defoe, Kevin Davies all 3 would of scored more than 11 league goals in 1 season.
We probably would of won the league.
These are just examples but the point remains the same. RVP for 11 goals and half a season or a striker that gets you 20+ goals and a whole season?
His injury history is very bad and if he carries on he will be in a wheel chair the time 2014 world cup arrives.
If it were me I would keep offer him a reduced contract or a pay as you go bonus.
You really think other teams will give us good money for a half season striker
I agree that the situation is Alarming.
But what can we do? The only reason I'd be ready to let RVP go is if we bought a replacement striker who would be at least as good as him! That's the Eto'o's, Villa's and Ibrahimovic of this world if you like.
Bent, Defoe and Kevin Davies would probably score us 11 goals a season but never would they make us win the league as they will never ever have the impact a player like RVP has on a game.
The problem I have is that if we sell RVP, we'll have a 19 yo unknown in replacement and then we'll only have our fingers to cross and hope he becomes the next TH14. That I can assure you!
I can also assure you that if we sell RVP and the replacement ends up not cutting the mustard, then we have Bender as No.1 striker for the rest of the season and I'd rather you give me a rope straight away!
Your right mate and this is what’s annoying
This is why we were saying maybe RVP should think about what’s more important. Not only Arsenal football club but his health and his future as a player. Its obviously to much playing for both club and country and this is obvious.
In a way its selfish for him to do so.
The ideal solution is that he rests in the summer , gets rest every international game and maybe regular rests in the season when rotating the squad. That way we get at least 80% from the guy and his career lasts longer.
mikeyb772001 wrote:Without doubt RVP is arsenal through and through he loves the club and loves the fans. But again I keep saying it there is no room for sentiment!
If he was fit all season he would be the best striker in the prem and possibly for his position in the world. I couldn’t think of anyone better.
But never scored more than 11 league goals since 2004????????
This is alarming
If we had an average striker or even a dare I say it Bent , Defoe, Kevin Davies all 3 would of scored more than 11 league goals in 1 season.
We probably would of won the league.
These are just examples but the point remains the same. RVP for 11 goals and half a season or a striker that gets you 20+ goals and a whole season?
His injury history is very bad and if he carries on he will be in a wheel chair the time 2014 world cup arrives.
If it were me I would keep offer him a reduced contract or a pay as you go bonus.
You really think other teams will give us good money for a half season striker
I agree that the situation is Alarming.
But what can we do? The only reason I'd be ready to let RVP go is if we bought a replacement striker who would be at least as good as him! That's the Eto'o's, Villa's and Ibrahimovic of this world if you like.
Bent, Defoe and Kevin Davies would probably score us 11 goals a season but never would they make us win the league as they will never ever have the impact a player like RVP has on a game.
The problem I have is that if we sell RVP, we'll have a 19 yo unknown in replacement and then we'll only have our fingers to cross and hope he becomes the next TH14. That I can assure you!
I can also assure you that if we sell RVP and the replacement ends up not cutting the mustard, then we have Bender as No.1 striker for the rest of the season and I'd rather you give me a rope straight away!
Your right mate and this is what’s annoying
This is why we were saying maybe RVP should think about what’s more important. Not only Arsenal football club but his health and his future as a player. Its obviously to much playing for both club and country and this is obvious.
In a way its selfish for him to do so.
The ideal solution is that he rests in the summer , gets rest every international game and maybe regular rests in the season when rotating the squad. That way we get at least 80% from the guy and his career lasts longer.
On that basis I would never sell him
The problem is Wenger allows all his players (apart from Denilson obviously) to play in meaningless friendlies. When in fact all he has to do is have them limp off 2 minutes before the end of the preceding club game, then say they are injured.
Either he or more importantly the players are refusing to employ this tactic, which has been used successfully by the likes of utd and more recently the Chavs for years.
This would send the right message to the national coaches ie "don't fuck with our players" thus the likes of shreik, fat frank and terry all being released for the ingerland friendly by Capello.
mikeyb772001 wrote:Without doubt RVP is arsenal through and through he loves the club and loves the fans. But again I keep saying it there is no room for sentiment!
If he was fit all season he would be the best striker in the prem and possibly for his position in the world. I couldn’t think of anyone better.
But never scored more than 11 league goals since 2004????????
This is alarming
If we had an average striker or even a dare I say it Bent , Defoe, Kevin Davies all 3 would of scored more than 11 league goals in 1 season.
We probably would of won the league.
These are just examples but the point remains the same. RVP for 11 goals and half a season or a striker that gets you 20+ goals and a whole season?
His injury history is very bad and if he carries on he will be in a wheel chair the time 2014 world cup arrives.
If it were me I would keep offer him a reduced contract or a pay as you go bonus.
You really think other teams will give us good money for a half season striker
Adebayor plundered well over 20 goals back in 08 and we came where in the league that year. Wrighty used to bang in 30+ a season and the year he got a title medal? It was about 10. Torres scored a shit load for Liverpool and where are his title medals?
Netiher half a season of RvP or a 20+ goal striker gives you a better shot at success. That comes from the state of the rest of the team, particularly defence.
I think the point is though that while a striker that hits 20+ PL goals a season doesn't guarantee the title, you simply cannot win the title without one.
Of coure he has to be added to a strong defence, top notch keeper and a creative and combative midfield that supplies and scores goals as well as dominating the middle of the pitch box to box.
Not true.
Man Utd won the league in 08/09, Ronaldo top scored with 18. In 06/07 when Ronaldo scored 17.
Chelsea 05/06, Lampard 16.
That’s three recent seasons where the team who won the league did so with a top scorer chipping in less than 20.
mikeyb772001 wrote:Without doubt RVP is arsenal through and through he loves the club and loves the fans. But again I keep saying it there is no room for sentiment!
If he was fit all season he would be the best striker in the prem and possibly for his position in the world. I couldn’t think of anyone better.
But never scored more than 11 league goals since 2004????????
This is alarming
If we had an average striker or even a dare I say it Bent , Defoe, Kevin Davies all 3 would of scored more than 11 league goals in 1 season.
We probably would of won the league.
These are just examples but the point remains the same. RVP for 11 goals and half a season or a striker that gets you 20+ goals and a whole season?
His injury history is very bad and if he carries on he will be in a wheel chair the time 2014 world cup arrives.
If it were me I would keep offer him a reduced contract or a pay as you go bonus.
You really think other teams will give us good money for a half season striker
Adebayor plundered well over 20 goals back in 08 and we came where in the league that year. Wrighty used to bang in 30+ a season and the year he got a title medal? It was about 10. Torres scored a shit load for Liverpool and where are his title medals?
Netiher half a season of RvP or a 20+ goal striker gives you a better shot at success. That comes from the state of the rest of the team, particularly defence.
I think the point is though that while a striker that hits 20+ PL goals a season doesn't guarantee the title, you simply cannot win the title without one.
Of coure he has to be added to a strong defence, top notch keeper and a creative and combative midfield that supplies and scores goals as well as dominating the middle of the pitch box to box.
Things look so simple when put like this DB! "Just add half a team and we're up there"!
I can see were you're coming from. But I wouldn't want more from our 2nd striker. Let's not forget initially Wenger bought RVP as a replacement for DB10, and so far he's done ok in this role, despite his injury record.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't get on players back because they don't play 40 games a season and score 20+ when they clearly never were meant to. RVP being constantly injuried is no surprise. The reason we don't click and don't win a single thing is not because our second striker gets injuried on international duty, but because Wenger never really bothered to replace neither TH14 nor Adebayor, and we now have a team that has no real No. 1 striker.
