THE WENGER THREAD

[tinpot lane]

I had to add this

'Know it all' set for Gunners talks

Reports claim that the arsenal world is suffering from a large number of dim witted fans who claim to know more than arsene wenger and any of these people should take the role. Should arsenal take up the option of a clause of 5 million to terminate the contract of arsene wenger and give the job to the next 'know it all' fan, the emirates could see a massive shake up. The news comes as a shock to arsene wenger with reports stating that the new 'know it all' manager already has his targets.

Dimitar Whineatov 25m (The skilful yet likes to throw his toys out of his pram at any given oppotunity would be a pricey yet perfect replacement for thierry henry who still hasn't been replaced)

David Bentley 22m - A shock return for the now white hart lane man but letting such a quality asset leave is a problem the new know it all can't bare to face.

William Gallas Kolo Toure Johan Djorou Phillipe Senderos Alexandre Song Harvard Nordveit Gavin Hoyte and Bacary Sagna (who can play centre back) Have all been likened to 'litter' by the possible new boss at the emirates stadium

Only players the caliber of Johnathan Woodgate and Rio Ferdinand are suitable for the emirates stadium (the possible new manager has been quoted as saying there englissh init!?)

Wenger has been told by relatives to leave the emirates and take his dream job at PSG

[g88ner]

The wenger diehards keep coming back to the same response to this arguement by asking who would replace him and do a better job so I'll ask you lot 3 questions instead.......could wenger have upgraded certain positions in the team at minimal expense, should he have done so and if you think he could and should have done so tell me why you think he didnt?

With regards to Almunia..maybe Wenger thinks that he's better than Given and Jaaskelainen.
- I've seen plenty of Jaaskelainen, and I don't think he's all that great, to be honest.
- Given has been injured for a long time, and maybe Newcastle would have demnaded more money than we were willing to part with.

In any case, I honestly think that Wenger rates Almunia..he plucked him from the Celta Vigo bench, and after a little while as lehmann's understudy, he put him in...and kept him there. Now he's given him the number 1 shirt.

We may not agree with it, but Wenger clearly sees something, I suppose

[T.S]

TBH i think Wenger should resign, looking at the majority of comments on here.

Makes me sick tbh

And what have the majority of comments been saying then? Should Arsene Wenger really resign because of a few people posting on a forum, discussing whether or not questions should be asked about where the club is going?

If you can tell me what has been said that is so outrageous (which has made you 'sick'), then fair enough. However, until then, it would appear that you're getting all worked up and throwing your toys out of your pram simply because there are some people on here who have a different opinion to you. If you don't want to hear other people's opinions, then you shouldn't be on here (you could probably level the same argument at me, but in response to that, I'd point you back to the first line of this second paragraph).

[T.S]

I had to add this

'Know it all' set for Gunners talks

Reports claim that the arsenal world is suffering from a large number of dim witted fans who claim to know more than arsene wenger and any of these people should take the role. Should arsenal take up the option of a clause of 5 million to terminate the contract of arsene wenger and give the job to the next 'know it all' fan, the emirates could see a massive shake up. The news comes as a shock to arsene wenger with reports stating that the new 'know it all' manager already has his targets.

Dimitar Whineatov 25m (The skilful yet likes to throw his toys out of his pram at any given oppotunity would be a pricey yet perfect replacement for thierry henry who still hasn't been replaced)

David Bentley 22m - A shock return for the now white hart lane man but letting such a quality asset leave is a problem the new know it all can't bare to face.

William Gallas Kolo Toure Johan Djorou Phillipe Senderos Alexandre Song Harvard Nordveit Gavin Hoyte and Bacary Sagna (who can play centre back) Have all been likened to 'litter' by the possible new boss at the emirates stadium

Only players the caliber of Johnathan Woodgate and Rio Ferdinand are suitable for the emirates stadium (the possible new manager has been quoted as saying there englissh init!?)

Wenger has been told by relatives to leave the emirates and take his dream job at PSG

Hilarious. Well, next time you're at the Arsenal, and disagree with a substitution Wenger has made, or a particular team selection, I know now that you will not be questioning him, for fear of being a "know it all". I mean, after all, as fans of a football club (most of whom who pay a shit load of money to watch the team play), who are we to have an opinion on how our club should be run?

[sarcasm]These "know it all" fans who spend their whole time whining, spurred on by some misplaced feeling of self-righteousness which comes out of spending an extortionate amount of money to follow a football team are honestly no good, and we need them out. It is they who are ruining this once great club. What we need is for people to conform. To never question anything, for they are the true Gooners. No real Arsenal fan would dare to question Arsene Wenger. After all, as a wise man once said, he IS Arsenal FC. Arsenal will simply cease to exist after he is gone, so to suggest that he should leave one day is not only disrespectful, but is also tantamount to hatred towards our club. [/sarcasm]

[tinpot lane]

TBH i think Wenger should resign, looking at the majority of comments on here.

Makes me sick tbh

And what have the majority of comments been saying then? Should Arsene Wenger really resign because of a few people posting on a forum, discussing whether or not questions should be asked about where the club is going?

If you can tell me what has been said that is so outrageous (which has made you 'sick'), then fair enough. However, until then, it would appear that you're getting all worked up and throwing your toys out of your pram simply because there are some people on here who have a different opinion to you. If you don't want to hear other people's opinions, then you shouldn't be on here (you could probably level the same argument at me, but in response to that, I'd point you back to the first line of this second paragraph).

"Wenger out" and the possible replacements that were provided by the bloke who began this thread. Also the constant slagging of Wenger. It's beyond me to be honest.

[tinpot lane]

I had to add this

'Know it all' set for Gunners talks

Reports claim that the arsenal world is suffering from a large number of dim witted fans who claim to know more than arsene wenger and any of these people should take the role. Should arsenal take up the option of a clause of 5 million to terminate the contract of arsene wenger and give the job to the next 'know it all' fan, the emirates could see a massive shake up. The news comes as a shock to arsene wenger with reports stating that the new 'know it all' manager already has his targets.

Dimitar Whineatov 25m (The skilful yet likes to throw his toys out of his pram at any given oppotunity would be a pricey yet perfect replacement for thierry henry who still hasn't been replaced)

David Bentley 22m - A shock return for the now white hart lane man but letting such a quality asset leave is a problem the new know it all can't bare to face.

William Gallas Kolo Toure Johan Djorou Phillipe Senderos Alexandre Song Harvard Nordveit Gavin Hoyte and Bacary Sagna (who can play centre back) Have all been likened to 'litter' by the possible new boss at the emirates stadium

Only players the caliber of Johnathan Woodgate and Rio Ferdinand are suitable for the emirates stadium (the possible new manager has been quoted as saying there englissh init!?)

Wenger has been told by relatives to leave the emirates and take his dream job at PSG

Hilarious. Well, next time you're at the Arsenal, and disagree with a substitution Wenger has made, or a particular team selection, I know now that you will not be questioning him, for fear of being a "know it all". I mean, after all, as fans of a football club (most of whom who pay a shit load of money to watch the team play), who are we to have an opinion on how our club should be run?

[sarcasm]These "know it all" fans who spend their whole time whining, spurred on by some misplaced feeling of self-righteousness which comes out of spending an extortionate amount of money to follow a football team are honestly no good, and we need them out. It is they who are ruining this once great club. What we need is for people to conform. To never question anything, for they are the true Gooners. No real Arsenal fan would dare to question Arsene Wenger. After all, as a wise man once said, he IS Arsenal FC. Arsenal will simply cease to exist after he is gone, so to suggest that he should leave one day is not only disrespectful, but is also tantamount to hatred towards our club. [/sarcasm]

Are you being serious, the post was a joke, or didn't you quite understand that? As for everyone and their opinions, ofcourse they are entitled to share them, but that doesn't mean i am not allowed to disagree with them and think they're idiotic.

I don't agree with Wenger on certain issues. However, i have 100% trust in the man who has brought a huge amount of success and took our club to the top of English football.

[eDub]

well... this is a tough topic to have your first post, but here it goes...

my name is Erick, and i'm from the other side of the pond. i have read this forum for well over a year, and believe it is the best place online for gooners to discuss openly anything Arsenal (and see some tits every once and a while)

i have read many different views in this thread, and i found 95% of them to have very valid points. i myself believe in Arsene, and i believe that he is an Arsenal legend, but i also strongly agree that NO man is above the club. as previously stated here, every regime regardless of how powerful it may be will eventually need to change or it will become obsolete.

i honestly think that Arsene is doing the best but does have his hands tied due to the financial hardship brought upon from the Emirates... i do not have any proof, so i will not state it as a fact. but i do have much more faith in Arsene than i do the board. if there's anyone who is gutted at the fact that the club has not won any honors in years, it must be him. however, if the club goes without trophies for a fifth straight season, i will agree that change needs to be seriously considered. here's what i suggest:

let Arsene show us if he can bring home another piece of silverware this season. if that cannot be accomplished, then let the man run out his contract through 09-10 while the club searches for his replacement. this will help as those young players he has brought in (such as Cesc and Theo) not feel betrayed by the club. after the 09-10 season, Arsene is offered a spot on the board and we have a new manager who can (hopefully) lead Arsenal into a new era.

it sounds alot better than sacking the man with one year left on his contract, alienating his young proteges, and hastily bringing in a new manager... which sure as hell won't bring any silverware next season either.

...oh, and its nice to meet you all.

[Cus Geezer]

Martin O'Neil - Can't even get Villa into CL recognition, won titles in a league where only 2 teams have won it since 1985

Also got them to a Uefa Cup final and did well in CL. Should he have got such a small squad into the CL by now? Seems a little harsh to blame him considering this is only his third season

Fucking amazing!

You're giving patience to O'Neill to pull something off at Villa, but none for Wenger at Arsenal.

[Cus Geezer]

And that is why I hate it when people slag the man off. He is Arsenal FC in my opinion and without him, we would not challenge for the EPL IMO.

Anyone who doubts him is a real disappointment.

Try putting some meat around that and stating why we would be a disappointment! Why is Arsene Arsenal FC because last time I looked we was going for a fair while before him

We were but do you ever recall a 12 year record of

3rd
1st
2nd
2nd
2nd
1st
2nd
1st
2nd


This is where its gone wrong !!!
4th
4th
3rd

And let's look at the record before he came - 3rd and 4th looked good.

You'fre judging the man by his own exceptionally high standards and ignoring other factors like depleted financial reserves - where our main rivals, particularly Chelsea have a seemingly endless pool of finance.

[Cus Geezer]

Of course if Wenger does go do you think our rivals will miss a trick?

How do you fancy a Chelsea, United or Barcelona taking Wenger off our hands with much bigger resources than us and Wenger's eye for developing talent saving THEM a few bob. See how up shit creek we'd be then.

Let's not forget that Monaco actually sacked Wenger in 1994, so they obviously thought that he was past his best long before he even came to Highbury.

[Magic Hat]

Fucking amazing!

You're giving patience to O'Neill to pull something off at Villa, but none for Wenger at Arsenal.

yes because I haven't been backing him all summer or anything at all, I have been in the anti Wenger camp camp demanding we sign Villa, Given, put ourselves in further debt, sack Arsene and replace him with Tony Adams and a Berkamp double team... seriously why the heck am I being labelled as both a doomer and gloomer and a rose tinted guy in one night? Agree on a label guys and stick with it

[REB]

people know on here my views on the arsenal board, as for wenger well he is the greatest manager we have ever had and more then likely ever to have, but time stands still for no man and sometimes you have to plan ahead, maybe after this season if nothing is won then the man himself might step down, i hope for all our sakes that doesnt happen and we do fulfill our potential and sweep all beore us this season ( dont think so but can hope )
but wenger deserves our respect for all he's done for us, so im not going to worry about this till next summer

[gus ceasar is a legend]

well... this is a tough topic to have your first post, but here it goes...

my name is Erick, and i'm from the other side of the pond. i have read this forum for well over a year, and believe it is the best place online for gooners to discuss openly anything Arsenal (and see some tits every once and a while)

i have read many different views in this thread, and i found 95% of them to have very valid points. i myself believe in Arsene, and i believe that he is an Arsenal legend, but i also strongly agree that NO man is above the club. as previously stated here, every regime regardless of how powerful it may be will eventually need to change or it will become obsolete.

i honestly think that Arsene is doing the best but does have his hands tied due to the financial hardship brought upon from the Emirates... i do not have any proof, so i will not state it as a fact. but i do have much more faith in Arsene than i do the board. if there's anyone who is gutted at the fact that the club has not won any honors in years, it must be him. however, if the club goes without trophies for a fifth straight season, i will agree that change needs to be seriously considered. here's what i suggest:

let Arsene show us if he can bring home another piece of silverware this season. if that cannot be accomplished, then let the man run out his contract through 09-10 while the club searches for his replacement. this will help as those young players he has brought in (such as Cesc and Theo) not feel betrayed by the club. after the 09-10 season, Arsene is offered a spot on the board and we have a new manager who can (hopefully) lead Arsenal into a new era.

it sounds alot better than sacking the man with one year left on his contract, alienating his young proteges, and hastily bringing in a new manager... which sure as hell won't bring any silverware next season either.

...oh, and its nice to meet you all.

Hello Erick!

[26may1989]

The wenger diehards keep coming back to the same response to this arguement by asking who would replace him and do a better job so I'll ask you lot 3 questions instead.......could wenger have upgraded certain positions in the team at minimal expense, should he have done so and if you think he could and should have done so tell me why you think he didnt ?

In a thread titled "Wenger out" the critics of Wenger HAVE to be able to provide a credible response to the question "Who could replace Wenger and do better in the conditions as they are now?" Otherwise this is all just pissing in the wind, and regardless of any perceived or actual faults in or mistakes by Wenger, our club would be damaged by losing him.

As for your questions augie, it's all a matter of oppinion and judgment. I have my views on team selection, signings, tactics etc, you have yours, and we even agree on the odd point (eg, whether Almunia should have been so much match time last season). But what do we really know in comparison with Wenger, or even Allardyce? Very little. How many of us thought last summer that Flamini could do as well as he did? Or that some guy called Sagna would be the PL's best right back? I would say none of us.

Arsenal are at a very delicate stage in their history, and this is a time to have faith in Wenger, even if we don't always like what he says or agree with his decisions. The reality is there is no-one who we could realistically hope to recruit and who could do the job Wenger is doing. The best thing for the club is keeping him - once the property developments are sold off, then judge Wenger by the same measures as others.

I don't have any doubts in Wenger, and I'm pleased to be called a "Wenger diehard". My worries are about whether we, the Arsenal fans, are up to the job, whether we have the mettle to ignore what the tabs say, and see what is really good for Arsenal's future. I will always defend fans' rights to say what they want, but the fact that we even have a thread with this title is worrying.

[augie]

Tinpot, everybody here is entitled to their opinion believe it or not whether they be right or wrong. You are not even a member here for a month yet but still you feel it is ok to come in here and insult another members intelligence If you are unable to argue your point without insulting people then maybe it is you that suffers from sub standard intelligence but either ways dont bother posting on here if you are not going to show any level of respect for people that do not agree with you