POLL: WOULD YOU GIVE ARSENE WENGER A NEW CONTRACT

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Would you give Wenger a new deal?

Yes - 4 years
24
24%
Yes - but offer a one year rolling contract
12
12%
No - not under any circumstances
62
63%
 
Total votes: 98

rudytel
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northbank123 wrote:
rudytel wrote:I'd thank Wenger for his services and kindly show him the exit and then get on the blower to David Moyes.
Think Moyes is the last thing we need. Tactically limited, tends to be found wanting on big occasions, has done well on limited resources (NO MORE OF THAT PLEASE) but has also held Everton back by spending years signing one shit striker after another. I would want somebody more ambitious and tactically versatile (not to mention well-known and respected) than Moyes.
If we never had the current board in charge then you might have a point. Cant see them appointing any of europes top
draw divas to work under their restraints. He builds defensively solid teams with the ability to play effective attacking football. He's a tough disciplinarian who brings in some quality imports on the cheap and he'll do as he's told.
I reckon he could walk into in N5 shake things up and surprise people.
Just my humble unqualified opinion :wink:

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QuartzGooner wrote:
rudytel wrote:
northbank123 wrote:Can't be reading the essay but surely that has to be the biggest WUM-related bites of all time?
Same here
I read it.

Richpye counters Babatunde very well.
Credit to Babatunde and Richpye, top class Forum discussion.
Stand corrected for assumption.. Roped me in.. Quality constructed counter argument.. Fuckin walking encyclopaedias
The pair of em!!

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It would seem very apparent from the Gazidis interview that Wenger has been operating on a tightrope financially and has never had the much talked about "War Chest" that Hillwood has droned on about for years.
I have always believed this since the day we signed the geriatric Silvestre and mindful of this I think that Wenger has done a wonderful Job particularly in keeping us in the CL.
He has his coaching faults which we know about but given that he's spent fuck all it is a miracle that we are where we are .

Having no money to spend on new players also makes the decision to give those we have improved contracts also makes sense in the cold light of day
Keeping Schtum about having no money and turning over players like we have has been exasperating for us as we feel we all feel we have been abused,(I do I have not one but 2 seats which over 2 grand and that I get to use 2/3 times a year) but maybe by doing so instead of doing a Rednap and telling all, Wenger has done us the ultimate service,willing to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune for the greater long term good !

I've done a U turn and I'm up for a rolling 1 year !

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Richpye - From where do you get your information on Dortmund?

I'd be interested on Tomas' viewpoint in relation to Klopp, etc..

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Richpye out Babatunde'd Babatunde :barscarf:

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flash gunner wrote:Richpye out Babatunde'd Babatunde :barscarf:

:wink:

Baba is Richpyes bitch :lol:

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No. His time is up.
He did a good job, but we need a new manager, who wants to win trophies!

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I’ve voted “No”, but I’m like most football fans – fickle – and should be some miracle the Wenger/Bould partnership deliver a trophy this season, then I’d certainly reconsider.

Incidentally, I know there have been a lot of disbelieving comments about the AST survey results, but The Gooner survey results to a similarly worded question were not hugely different. At the end of last season we asked “Fans have been divided on the future of Arsène Wenger as manager for a while now. Where do you stand at the end of this season?” and just under 20% wanted him to leave in the summer, with the remainder prepared to give him at least this season and more than one in four voted that he “can stay as long as he wants”.

Now I know that these are sentiments which will anger some of you, but perhaps it illustrates why I’m so keen for this forum to welcome all views because if we can’t, then it’s only catering for a small percentage of our readership and that would make it a pointless exercise as far as I’m concerned.

This thread has provoked some good debate – particularly between Babatunde and richpye - and that’s what it should be about.

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QuartzGooner wrote:
rudytel wrote:
northbank123 wrote:Can't be reading the essay but surely that has to be the biggest WUM-related bites of all time?
Same here
I read it.

Richpye counters Babatunde very well.
Credit to Babatunde and Richpye, top class Forum discussion.
who can be bothered to get into one of those? lets just post tits

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Skooner wrote:He isn't signing a new contract :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/spo ... 2091441019
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: 8)

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Babatunde wrote:
DarylAFC wrote:
Babatunde wrote:Can we please just clear something up here.
Olly Giroud was, is and always will be, shite.
"Once he finds the net"? LOL
Even Jeffers and Chamakh found the net now and then!
There's a reason this pillock gets booed on his second France appearance. There's a reason no other big team wanted him.
There's a reason he's got zero European club competition experience! At that age! :shock:
He's SHIT
Oh shut up, you really do my head in.

So he doesn't score in his first 3 games and he's shit? NO other top club wanted him, so he's shite.

So Bergkamp is shite then? He didnt score right away. He wasn't wanted by top teams.

How about Henry? Is he shite?

Chelsea wanted Giroud, by the way. He chose us because, in his words, "I wasnt sure they even knew me". Deny it all you want, but whose word am I going to take? The player himself who has no reason to lie or someone on a forum who was adamant that we were going for Kalou?
I am really sick and tired of this absolute drivel.

Oh bla bla 'Berkamp must be shite' since it took him ages to score bla bla.
Oh PLEASE. Invoking Bergkamp's great name to justofy this piece of turd is nonsense. For a start, Bergkamp was never an out and out striker whose job is to score goals alone.

Henry? Again, he was learning a new position and was younger than Giroud. Henry had also already proved he had it in his locker, when he was TOP SCORER FOR THE TEAM THAT WON THE WORLD CUP :roll:

Bergkamp was a massive signing, a club record, everyone knew who he was and Inter, a huge club, had taken a punt on him but it hadn't worked out. So please, don't abuse the usage of your two brain cells with such bilge.

'Chelsea wanted Giroud'
LMFAO. This has been proven to be categorical bollocks by the by, ROn Gourlay at Chelski laughed at the suggestion. Yes, I am really sure the club that lost Didier Drogba and were looking for the best were really after Giroud.
In which case I take it that Kevin Mirallas snubbed Arsenal for Everton then yes? Or will you choose to ignore that snippet :roll:

Giroud is someone I have watched play several several times. He is a target man. He isn't a playmaking number 10 with a deft touch who also scored the odd goal, as Bergkamp did. It shows what a baseless knowledge of football you truly possess, comparing a target man number 9 with a great number 10 and goalscoring :roll:

Giroud is the French Grant Holt. His job is to be a big lump up front and SCORE GOALS. The only person judging him on 3 games in the PL is you, and the Arsene lovers. I am judging him on the dozens of matches I saw him play at Tours, then at Montpellier. He might have top scored in Ligue 1 but then again, so did Guivarch, Kevin Gameiro, Gignac and Pierre-Alain Frau. All shite players.

Giroud is like Grant Holt (minus the ability to score a few in a big league). He's already performed like complete dog turd in the opening three PL games and missed absolute sitters in EVERY single game he's played. As if to reinforce that this is no accident, he then went to play with France and was torrid, missed his customary sitter and played like shite.

Only difference being, the France fans didn't come out with comical bollocks excuses like 'Oh Trezeguet never scored in his first debut game , does that mean he was shit bla bla' :roll:

Giroud is shite. I hope for his sake that he scores a couple of goals, and I'm sure you'll be smug after he's buried a hat-trick in the Carling Cup against Bury Town.... :oops:
I didn't think anyone could be this much of an Arse if I'm honest

He has played 3 games for us and he's shite?

Forgetting the Henry and Bergkamp arguement, let's take Koscielny shall we? Terrible at first, not wanted by any top team, the whole works. Now I would argue he's one of our most important players. Oh wait, no sorry, he's shite aswell isn't he? :censored:
the playing mantis wrote:o let me see, why would a player claim another club wated them but he turned them down for us? well maybe because he was trying to endear himself to the fans, the idiotic ones who believed him like those who claim chelsea wanted him and why would the player say this if it wasnt true....

dont be so naive .
I'll believe what I want. He didn't have to say anything, did he? He was already at the club so it wasnt like he was bigging himself up to raise his worth, was it?
clockender1 wrote:
Babatunde wrote: - Wasting £24 million combined on Gervinho and Giroud even though everyone knows they're mediocre at best
....blah blah blah.....

And yet....a wee team from Southern France called Montpellier, won the league title. How on earth did they manage that then?
i'd guess the following :
Rank Name Team Goals
1 Olivier Giroud Montpellier 21
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Absolute bull. Giroud's shit isn't he? :lol:

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rudytel wrote:
northbank123 wrote:
rudytel wrote:I'd thank Wenger for his services and kindly show him the exit and then get on the blower to David Moyes.
Think Moyes is the last thing we need. Tactically limited, tends to be found wanting on big occasions, has done well on limited resources (NO MORE OF THAT PLEASE) but has also held Everton back by spending years signing one shit striker after another. I would want somebody more ambitious and tactically versatile (not to mention well-known and respected) than Moyes.
If we never had the current board in charge then you might have a point. Cant see them appointing any of europes top
draw divas to work under their restraints. He builds defensively solid teams with the ability to play effective attacking football. He's a tough disciplinarian who brings in some quality imports on the cheap and he'll do as he's told.
I reckon he could walk into in N5 shake things up and surprise people.
Just my humble unqualified opinion :wink:
In my view Everton play generally shit football. As I said, Moyes has done a good job at Everton, but you can build a top 8 team (as he's done) with a decent defence and then 2 or 3 good attacking players (Cahill, Fellaini, Jelavic). I just don't think the bloke's done enough to convince me that he's got what it takes at a big club: he's tactically rigid, huge questions marks over whether or not he's capable in Europe and his failure to sign a decent striker for years held Everton back.

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northbank123 wrote:
rudytel wrote:
northbank123 wrote:
rudytel wrote:I'd thank Wenger for his services and kindly show him the exit and then get on the blower to David Moyes.
Think Moyes is the last thing we need. Tactically limited, tends to be found wanting on big occasions, has done well on limited resources (NO MORE OF THAT PLEASE) but has also held Everton back by spending years signing one shit striker after another. I would want somebody more ambitious and tactically versatile (not to mention well-known and respected) than Moyes.
If we never had the current board in charge then you might have a point. Cant see them appointing any of europes top
draw divas to work under their restraints. He builds defensively solid teams with the ability to play effective attacking football. He's a tough disciplinarian who brings in some quality imports on the cheap and he'll do as he's told.
I reckon he could walk into in N5 shake things up and surprise people.
Just my humble unqualified opinion :wink:
In my view Everton play generally shit football. As I said, Moyes has done a good job at Everton, but you can build a top 8 team (as he's done) with a decent defence and then 2 or 3 good attacking players (Cahill, Fellaini, Jelavic). I just don't think the bloke's done enough to convince me that he's got what it takes at a big club: he's tactically rigid, huge questions marks over whether or not he's capable in Europe and his failure to sign a decent striker for years held Everton back.
Fair enough to say it might be a gamble as he has never been right at the top (isn’t every new manager a sort of gamble), but for my money one of the biggest things the club lacks at the moment is discipline and he would undoubtedly bring that. He would inherit a far more talented bunch of players than he has ever had at Everton and hopefully whip some of the players that don’t always put in a proper shift into shape. He is no nonsense and the club needs that after the laissez faire era under Wenger.

It’s often been said that Wenger’s earlier years were particularly successful in part due to the work done before him by Graham, do you not think the same could be true if this happened? i.e. Moyes can benefit from the attacking flair we have from the Wenger era and balance it out by making us more organised and disciplined.

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Skooner wrote: Fair enough to say it might be a gamble as he has never been right at the top (isn’t every new manager a sort of gamble), but for my money one of the biggest things the club lacks at the moment is discipline and he would undoubtedly bring that. He would inherit a far more talented bunch of players than he has ever had at Everton and hopefully whip some of the players that don’t always put in a proper shift into shape. He is no nonsense and the club needs that after the laissez faire era under Wenger.

It’s often been said that Wenger’s earlier years were particularly successful in part due to the work done before him by Graham, do you not think the same could be true if this happened? i.e. Moyes can benefit from the attacking flair we have from the Wenger era and balance it out by making us more organised and disciplined.
I see your point but I don't think it would be the same. The back 4 Wenger inherited were the real deal, the finished article, didn't need changing whatsoever. Our attacking line-up is generally good but not anywhere near the same standard or stability.

Maybe I'm being a bit unfair on Moyes but he just strikes me as somebody who's found his level at Everton. Any manager we'd have to look for would have to be able to produce the goods in Europe too, I don't reckon he'd do that. Don't get me wrong, I'm desperate to see some discipline and above all success at the club, but for me Moyes would be a really negative appointment and bring shit football.

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