KROENKE OUT / The Board / Staff etc (merged thread)

[DB10GOONER]

It's OK, panic over, "Lady" Nina Cuntington-Smythe has tweeted about it being a "sad day".

https://twitter.com/NinaBracewell/statu ... 24128?s=09

Hmm.... I dunno Nina you old cùnt maybe if you and Dein and all the other greedy money obsessed dollars-in-the-eyes cùnts hadn't sold your shares to the wig molesting cùnt then oh I dunno maybe we wouldn't be in this mess, you fucking cùnt.

Her tweet is like Pol Pot tweeting "a fucking shame all the intellectuals in Cambodia are now dead.".

[Allgunsblazin]

It's OK, panic over, "Lady" Nina Cuntington-Smythe has tweeted about it being a "sad day".

https://twitter.com/NinaBracewell/statu ... 24128?s=09

Hmm.... I dunno Nina you old cùnt maybe if you and Dein and all the other greedy money obsessed dollars-in-the-eyes cùnts hadn't sold your shares to the wig molesting cùnt then oh I dunno maybe we wouldn't be in this mess, you fucking cùnt.

Her tweet is like Pol Pot tweeting "a fucking shame all the intellectuals in Cambodia are now dead.".

She's still fit though!

[Gunner Rob]

It's OK, panic over, "Lady" Nina Cuntington-Smythe has tweeted about it being a "sad day".

https://twitter.com/NinaBracewell/statu ... 24128?s=09

Hmm.... I dunno Nina you old cùnt maybe if you and Dein and all the other greedy money obsessed dollars-in-the-eyes cùnts hadn't sold your shares to the wig molesting cùnt then oh I dunno maybe we wouldn't be in this mess, you fucking cùnt.

Her tweet is like Pol Pot tweeting "a fucking shame all the intellectuals in Cambodia are now dead.".

I agree that ultimately Bracewell Smith is to blame for a lot, but I just don't think at the time the implications of her decision were so obvious.
also I think she might have been under pressure from Fiszman not to sell to Usmanov.

[Allgunsblazin]

I wonder where we will be in ten years time.
One thing is for sure, the football bubble has finally burst...

[Gunner Rob]

I wonder where we will be in ten years time.
One thing is for sure, the football bubble has finally burst...

how do you work that out ?

TV rights deals are still at record levels, all the top managers in the game want to come to England, and there is a feel good factor after the World Cup.

[g88ner]

I wonder where we will be in ten years time.
One thing is for sure, the football bubble has finally burst...

I'd say quite the opposite. Football has never been so bloated.

[Allgunsblazin]

I wonder where we will be in ten years time.
One thing is for sure, the football bubble has finally burst...

how do you work that out ?

TV rights deals are still at record levels, all the top managers in the game want to come to England, and there is a feel good factor after the World Cup.

As far as the average Arsenal football fan is concerned, stop stalking me weirdo!.....

[the playing mantis]

I dont want to downplay this, but maybe we are overreacting a tad. it could be terrible or it could just carry on much as it does now. current situation wasnt going to change was it, with kroenke having de facto control, as he wasnt selling or letting usmanov on the board anytime soon. As such apart from lack of transparency in stealing his fees. we are just speculating on a worst case scenario.

i dont want to come across as defending him, but ultimately little has changed on the football side, he has never invested and will continue not to you would assume. He could potentially do bad things to us now, but he could have before as he was majority owner. However its not in his interests to let the product get worse, as the potential revenue from us that is untapped and could be unlocked by being a success on the pitch is huge. Yes we wont have a free spending owner, but we haven't ever so nothings really changed. if some big tycoon comes along and offers him shit loads he could still sell despite having 100%. had usmanov made an offer above what he did (and what he could easily afford had he wanted to) im sure kroneke would have been tempted to sell.

i dont really see much of change we still want him gone whether he owned 60% or 100%.

[arrgee]

i dont really see much of change we still want him gone whether he owned 60% or 100%.

There is a big difference between a 60% share in a listed company and owning a private company. Now there is zero transparency, so...

No need to let anyone know about any consultancy fees.
No need to detail interest payments on loans.
No need to hold awkward AGMs where small shareholders can raise issues.
No need to show how much the owners get paid.
No need to show if the assets of the company are being leveraged to buy other companies.
No need to detail any change in organisational structure such as splitting the ownership of the club from the ground.
No need to consult anyone about a relocation of the club.
No need to worry about anyone preventing asset stripping.

Probably plenty more reasons, but this absolute control given Kronke's record in the US is a massive concern. At best he keeps the ship steady and maintains Arsenal in the top division to protect his investment, at worst he sucks all the value out of the club. Arsenal have lacked ambition in the last 10 years and have gone backwards. It is hard to see how they go forward from here.

[Gunner Rob]

highly likely that the club will now end up in mid table obscurity like Newcastle.

stopped going in past 2 seasons because of Wenger but this is actually worse - will just follow on TV now.

without hope that things can improve there is really very little point spending much money on following a club like Arsenal.
the only reason the big clubs can charge the prices they do is because there is always the optimism that titles/trophies are possible.

without that you might as well just watch non league football which I plan to do.

[GranadaJoe]

The most reasonable interpretation of Kruntke's takeover is that he will keep us as a moderately performing team and bank the cash. There is nothing in his history to suggest otherwise.

The only potential ray of sunshine that I can imagine (after a few Lagavulin's) is that Josh Kruntke has reportedly argued in favour of investing in the Club (though Daddy will always decide) and that now Usmanov has departed, the rewards of any investment would 100% accrue to the Kruntkes.

I still think the Kruntkes will consider that the reward for the massive investment required to challenge the Citehs, Manures and Chavs is far outweighed by the risk of it failing.

I doubt that team performance will be anything other than fleetingly mentioned at future Board Meetings.

[Gunner Rob]

The most reasonable interpretation of Kruntke's takeover is that he will keep us as a moderately performing team and bank the cash. There is nothing in his history to suggest otherwise.

The only potential ray of sunshine that I can imagine (after a few Lagavulin's) is that Josh Kruntke has reportedly argued in favour of investing in the Club (though Daddy will always decide) and that now Usmanov has departed, the rewards of any investment would 100% accrue to the Kruntkes.

I still think the Kruntkes will consider that the reward for the massive investment required to challenge the Citehs, Manures and Chavs is far outweighed by the risk of it failing.

I doubt that team performance will be anything other than fleetingly mentioned at future Board Meetings.

yes exactly - which means we will do ok but never challenge for the title like during the past decade.

however there is no longer even any hope of doing so - that is the difference.
before there was always some vague hope that Usmanov would get on the board and inject some money - now we just know what we will get, and it will be years and years of more mediocrity. Look at Newcastle since they won their FA Cups in the 1950s for what the future will look like at Arsenal.

[arrgee]

The most reasonable interpretation of Kruntke's takeover is that he will keep us as a moderately performing team and bank the cash. There is nothing in his history to suggest otherwise.

The only potential ray of sunshine that I can imagine (after a few Lagavulin's) is that Josh Kruntke has reportedly argued in favour of investing in the Club (though Daddy will always decide) and that now Usmanov has departed, the rewards of any investment would 100% accrue to the Kruntkes.

I still think the Kruntkes will consider that the reward for the massive investment required to challenge the Citehs, Manures and Chavs is far outweighed by the risk of it failing.

I doubt that team performance will be anything other than fleetingly mentioned at future Board Meetings.

I think he has made it very clear what will happen. He will stay for the long term and preside over building a brand...

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 02046.html

“If you want to win championships then you would never get involved. I think the best owners in sports are the guys that sort of watch both sides a bit. If you don't have a good business then you can't really afford to go out and get the best players unless you just want to rely on other sources of income."

“Over there [in the Premier League] it was sort of like 'well, we've got guys from the Middle East, the oil price is over $100, they can spend anything they want'.

“But the problem I saw with all of that; those people can lose interest. It doesn't mean that they will, but I sort of threw that out there: 'What happens when the Middle Eastern family, this thing's costing a lot of money and they decide to go home?' I said what really happens in those situations is the fans get hurt because the players get picked up and paid if they're good, the front office gets other jobs.”

“What did I learn specifically [from England]? You learn very quickly what that brand means,” said Kroenke.

“We have a gentleman who comes to Arsenal games, he flies his helicopter from South Africa, Cape Town to London quite often. It’s just an example of what a brand can mean, and what we can do in sports. We’re all working on that and that’s the big opportunity. Michael Jordan showed it - you can get paid a whole lot more if you can extend your brand. Manchester United showed it. They established benchmarks that people had thought heretofore unattainable, but their brand extension made people want to pay for it.”

[arrgee]

however there is no longer even any hope of doing so - that is the difference.
before there was always some vague hope that Usmanov would get on the board and inject some money - now we just know what we will get, and it will be years and years of more mediocrity. Look at Newcastle since they won their FA Cups in the 1950s for what the future will look like at Arsenal.

I would say more like Everton than Newcastle. Back in the mid/late 1980s they were a top 5 club and arguably a close second best to Liverpool at their peak. since then they have had one FA Cup and the odd foray into the Champions League. Since 2005 they have been no higher than 5th and no lower than 11th. That will be Arsenal's future.

[Jock Gooner]

Nothing to say really, a not unexpected move by a *word censored* bag owner who only cares about the $$$

I do hope all our caretakers and 'real' fans understand exactly what they let us in for when his initial buyout was pushed through without much opposition

Mate, the posh term is custodian Your local school has a caretaker

Quite frankly this doesn't change things much from what I can see. The AGMs are just a fucking waste of time so a few people who share 3% of the shares can go to a meeting and think of themselves as custodians of the club. How twee - wake up and smell the coffee. Wiggy has had control of the club for years and while a few fans booing the board is funny wiggy still casts the final vote and his vote is all that has ever counted from a business perspective.

The wiggy problem can only be resolved financially by fans as a couple of major no shows a la wenker style would send a pretty clear message to wiggy and the club's commercial partners. Likewise people need to stop buying the merchandise and overpriced food/drink at the bowl - we've said it before. I posted on the Modern football bollox thread that the club were guaging interest for opening bars after games and showing highlights etc - this is all part of wiggys attempt to increase revenue so it is up to the fans to shut him down.

The problem with fans having a go at sorting out wiggy is how long it will take for the malaise to set in because if it is a slow process of deterioration it will be trickier to get people on board from a timing point of view. Also there is the general apathy among fans that they cannot affect change so they will go on feeding wiggy's coffers. If you want to do something today to help get control of our club back then if you are not already a season ticket holder get your name on the waiting list and when your name comes up buy a fucking ST. I don't care if it takes 5 years or even if you go or rent it out to a proper gooner but buy it. Wiggy is a businessman and is quite happy to take a long term view - I am an Arsenal fan for life so I can afford to have a long term view towards the club as well. Just think if everybody on here who isn't a ST holder had applied for one when Wiggy first turned up you would all be ST holders by now and the more STHs prepared leave an empty seat the quicker/easier it might be to get rid of the cu.nt. We might have manged to get rid of TOF earlier too ....who knows. I'm not sure how wiggy would react to fan protests outside the ground but I'm sure he would be embarrassed by it. Mind you, I'm not sure if we could muster enough fans to protest sometimes when you look around at some of the punters in the place these days.