Drug Taking In Footy…

[Radford149]

[quote="QuartzGooner"]Very few players sign professional terms with the thought in mind that they want to be role models.

BUT such is the high profile of the game that they have the mantle of Role Model thrust upon them whether they like it or not]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...sorry but that is rubbish. where on earth does it say that?

[QuartzGooner]

Very few players sign professional terms with the thought in mind that they want to be role models.

BUT such is the high profile of the game that they have the mantle of Role Model thrust upon them whether they like it or not

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...sorry but that is rubbish. where on earth does it say that?

Two places Radford

1.) - Says it in their contracts with the club.

They are not only obligated to attend matches and training, they have various charitable and community commitments each season...such as visiting kid sin hospital and local learning schemes.

They are also held to a code of conduct, i.e.e not drinking for 48 hours before a match etc. If they break it, then they can have their contrac terminated i.e. Mutu at Chelsea.

2.) - It is also obvious that players are look up to as role models by general opinion. If they were not, then why would there be any media attention at all on Joey Barton? Many people fight on a night out and get a jail term and community service, but it is not in the papers.
Yet his case is all over the front page.

If there was nothing expected of footballers, then why would Gooner1315 even expect to get money from a paper for his photos? Because such a thing is deemed worthy of attention by the press as a scandal.

[Radford149]

Very few players sign professional terms with the thought in mind that they want to be role models.

BUT such is the high profile of the game that they have the mantle of Role Model thrust upon them whether they like it or not

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...sorry but that is rubbish. where on earth does it say that?

Two places Radford

1.) - Says it in their contracts with the club.

They are not only obligated to attend matches and training, they have various charitable and community commitments each season...such as visiting kid sin hospital and local learning schemes.

They are also held to a code of conduct, i.e.e not drinking for 48 hours before a match etc. If they break it, then they can have their contract terminated i.e. Mutu at Chelsea.

2.) - It is also obvious that players are look up to as role models by general opinion. If they were not, then why would there be any media attention at all on Joey Barton? Many people fight on a night out and get a jail term and community service, but it is not in the papers.
Yet his case is all over the front page.

If there was nothing expected of footballers, then why would Gooner1315 even expect to get money from a paper for his photos? Because such a thing is deemed worthy of attention by the press as a scandal.

1. mutu was a gotcha! (think TA, Merse, rio) they wanted him out. barton caused injury to another person. the footballer maybe doing harm to just himself. (please don't use the cocaine trail line (pardon the pun)

2. footballers are doing a job. if the hypocritical media choose to put them on a pedestal that up to them. just because you happen to be good at your job that does not give the public or the media the right to tell you how to run your life. the media create a circus then when the performers fall for one reason or another they savage them for it.

just because we like football we have no right to expect anything of them except for them to do well at their jobs.

poor example but great artist who have produced masterpieces were for the most part a bit loopy. now people pay millions for their work. we call the great players geniuses do we not. but now people like you want them to also be paragons and pillars of society.

so what if the gutter press are willing to pay gooner1315 money for his pics a lot of the media are cokeheads anyway and who are they to judge?

[QuartzGooner]

But my point is that it is part of a footballer's job description to carry out charitable and community roles, it is in their contracts.

So is to act responsibly in public because the eyes of the press are on them.

[Radford149]

But my point is that it is part of a footballer's job description to carry out charitable and community roles, it is in their contracts.

So is to act responsibly in public because the eyes of the press are on them.

sorry but if he carries out what his contracts stipulates then he's doing his job. the second part is your oipinon thats all.

again i stress you have no right to tell a player or anyone else how they should behave or act in their private life. did gooner1315 ask the player if he could take his picture,......no he just took a sneaky one (no offence meant) the fact is he had no right to take the picture in the first place. is that right?. is it ok for people to go around to the places you go to enjoy yourself and take pictures of you?

[northbankbren]

Sorry Radford but footballers ARE role models to kids. Whether the player wants to be this dosen't matter, its part of the job.

It dosn't matter what sport you are in, if you are a sportman/woman by trade taking any illegal substance is against the rules. And if they decide to "sample" whatever, then the public has a right to know.

If they want to do drugs do it when they're retired.

[Radford149]

Sorry Radford but footballers ARE role models to kids. Whether the player wants to be this doesn't matter, its part of the job.

It doesn't matter what sport you are in, if you are a sportsman/woman by trade taking any illegal substance is against the rules. And if they decide to "sample" whatever, then the public has a right to know.

If they want to do drugs do it when they're retired.

sorry that players are role models just doesn't wash. and the illegal substance bit is really about performance enhancing drugs not "social" drugs.

people should not hold up players as role models. your role models should be the people around you grafting and looking after themselves and put food on the table.

not a guy in a pair of shorts who acts like a prima dona earning £150,000, living in a mansion, having at least three cars, and seeking a move after one year and throwing a tantrum if he does not get his way. oh sorry i forgot having his picture with his bird or wife in ok/hello/tv times or any other celb rag you care to mention.

dear god the day i tell my kid to look to a football player as an example, they will be skiing in hell.

rant over

[northbankbren]

sorry that players are role models just doesn't wash. and the illegal substance bit is really about performance enhancing drugs not "social" drugs.

people should not hold up players as role models. your role models should be the people around you grafting and looking after themselves and put food on the table.

not a guy in a pair of shorts who acts like a prima dona earning £150,000, living in a mansion, having at least three cars, and seeking a move after one year and throwing a tantrum if he does not get his way. oh sorry i forgot having his picture with his bird or wife in ok/hello/tv times or any other celb rag you care to mention.

cummon now.....tell that to a 7 year old

[Radford149]

sorry that players are role models just doesn't wash. and the illegal substance bit is really about performance enhancing drugs not "social" drugs.

people should not hold up players as role models. your role models should be the people around you grafting and looking after themselves and put food on the table.

not a guy in a pair of shorts who acts like a prima dona earning £150,000, living in a mansion, having at least three cars, and seeking a move after one year and throwing a tantrum if he does not get his way. oh sorry i forgot having his picture with his bird or wife in ok/hello/tv times or any other celb rag you care to mention.

cummon now.....tell that to a 7 year old

why should anyone have to?

my point is a kids role model should be those in his immediate surrounding not a football player

[northbankbren]

why should anyone have to?

my point is a kids role model should be those in his immediate surrounding not a football player

I do get where you're comming from but, kids are kids, and there role models relect that.
A a kid I loved football and idolised the Arsenal players, like most(if not all) kids into football do,you look up to these guys. I remember the whole Merson thing like it was yesterday, and quite frankly as a kid my heart was broken to find out he was "on drugs". Only with age does the "role model" perspective you have come into play. I agree that most footballers are not good role models,but they are.

[QuartzGooner]

Radford

Whether someone should or should not hold up a footballer as a role model is another argument.

The undisputed fact, that NorthBank Bren and myself are saying, is that people DO hold them up as role models, especially kids.

So they become Role Models because of that, plus the job description listed in their contracts.

Footballers are the most high profile job in this country (except perhaps the Queen and the Prime Minister) ...and with that profile comes power and responsibility.

For all the "Prima Donnas" that you mention, there are plenty of players who do a lot for charity. Who use the media to draw attention to the charities they help.

Acting responsibly in public, and being humble, is also part of a player's contract. This was very much in the media this week with the contents of Wenger's "Blueprint" team talk that was handed out to players before last week's game and was found in a hotel room and leaked to the press.

As for my "Right" to tell a player how to act in his private life...where did that argument come from? Was not something I said.

The fact is that the football clubs have every right to tell a player how to act in their private life, and do tell them so, right down to their diet, their sleep patterns, and to keeping their weight sensible during the summer break.

Gooner1315 took the photos..did he have a "Right" to take them?
I do not know what the law says on that, but it is courtesy to ask first.

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Gooner1315 took the photos..did he have a "Right" to take them?
I do not know what the law says on that, but it is courtesy to ask first.

The footballer in question (seeing as it takes so long to type that, I'm just gonna refer to the football as my favourite car, Bentley) was taking drugs in a public place (restaurant/bar). Did "Bentley" have a right to take drugs on those premises? I bet the owner wouldn't have been too happy about it, even if "Bentley" asked him first....?

[Gooner1315]

Gooner1315 took the photos..did he have a "Right" to take them?
I do not know what the law says on that, but it is courtesy to ask first.

The footballer in question (seeing as it takes so long to type that, I'm just gonna refer to the football as my favourite car, Bentley) was taking drugs in a public place (restaurant/bar). Did "Bentley" have a right to take drugs on those premises? I bet the owner wouldn't have been too happy about it, even if "Bentley" asked him first....?

Do you have the right to take a picture of a football ground, or a plant that tickles your pickle?? Maybe you should write to gardeners world or summink. FFS people take pictures where ever they go.

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FFS people take pictures where ever they go.

And if you ever go into London, how many CCTV pictures do you think there are of you? They even have these cunty little smart cars driving around surveying everything!

[Gooner1315]

Exactly and do they ask mine or your permission?? Im gonna take a picture of my dog now, im just going to ask her first and see what part of woof woof i can make out.