THE WENGER THREAD

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StuartL wrote:
Clash wrote:
VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
StuartL wrote:
Edu was a Brazilian midfield player who left in 2006 on a free transfer ?
Fairly certain Edu left at the end of the 04/05 season - I remember he took the penalty in the 7-0 drubbing of Everton and waved goodbye.
You're right, he left at the same time as Vieira and it took us ages to replace either of them. It was a sort of pre-runner to losing Diarra, Flamini and Gilberto in 2008.

Sorry, a year out - I'm now going to fuck off and support that lot down the road.

I blame it on the fact that I had half a shandy once while at sixth form - hard to remember those hazy days.
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One mistake - and it's a fair cop.

Calling me a Chelsea fan? That's fightin' talk - and I'm crap at fighting. :wink:

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past the bollocks about money, some interesting comment here about the change from Lightning Football to Tika Taka from Jens :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... inner.html

it seems the transition to building the team round Cesc as playmaker killed our one-touch game. Funny that Barca put him straight in further forward in the Ozil role - he's even in the Spain squad as "Forward" too.

i hate to say it, but most of Redknapps comments are spot on though you can see Keown has reservations deep down.

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turricaned wrote:One mistake - and it's a fair cop.
No- three clear ones so far, accusing us of struggling V WEST HAM in the semi, saying Walcott was injured in late Jan, as well as this.

You are also of course making many other wrong uns, and perhaps you may consider if you are making basic factual errors you are making assumptive errors as well.

You keep repeating the mantra there was no strikers available in Jan when there were a lot of strikers transferred, all with track records better than our number 2 striker. You dont seem to comprehend that money, as well as playing for The Arsenal and living in London talks, and that if offers had been made to a striker they may have been interested. No one can honestly claim that not a single striker in any top league would have been interested- we just didnt do anything.

Whatever is said Berbatov would have come if the money was right for a season, and would surely have done better than Sanogo or Bendtner.

Cant be bothered to repeat the other errors in assumptions but there are a plenty., they have been pointed out if you look carefully and ignore peoples exasperation at your seeming lack of understanding,

I suggest that you look carefully through this thread, you will learn a very great deal.

Must confess to have been a bit overkeen on Wenger till the last 6 months ( :oops: ), but the facts are clear, we just are not as good as we could be, Herd lays out the reasons as clear as can be just above :banghead:

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clockender1 wrote:past the bollocks about money, some interesting comment here about the change from Lightning Football to Tika Taka from Jens :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... inner.html

it seems the transition to building the team round Cesc as playmaker killed our one-touch game. Funny that Barca put him straight in further forward in the Ozil role - he's even in the Spain squad as "Forward" too.

i hate to say it, but most of Redknapps comments are spot on though you can see Keown has reservations deep down.
I think Jens said "he is the club" (referring to Arsene) at least three times, Sadly, that's how most Gooners see it too.

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clockender1 wrote:past the bollocks about money, some interesting comment here about the change from Lightning Football to Tika Taka from Jens :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... inner.html

it seems the transition to building the team round Cesc as playmaker killed our one-touch game. Funny that Barca put him straight in further forward in the Ozil role - he's even in the Spain squad as "Forward" too.

i hate to say it, but most of Redknapps comments are spot on though you can see Keown has reservations deep down.
I don't think anyone can blame the failure of tippy tappy on building the team around Cesc as a playmaker. Too simplistic. The problem was Arsene played the tippy tappy style without first putting enough players in place with the technical ability to play it. Typical of latter-day Arsene; wedge players into a system he likes rather than utilise a system that suits the actual players in place. Arsene killed our one-touch, lightening fast game by his myopic refusal to be being realistic and pragmatic. :|

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DB10GOONER wrote:
clockender1 wrote:past the bollocks about money, some interesting comment here about the change from Lightning Football to Tika Taka from Jens :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... inner.html

it seems the transition to building the team round Cesc as playmaker killed our one-touch game. Funny that Barca put him straight in further forward in the Ozil role - he's even in the Spain squad as "Forward" too.

i hate to say it, but most of Redknapps comments are spot on though you can see Keown has reservations deep down.
I don't think anyone can blame the failure of tippy tappy on building the team around Cesc as a playmaker. Too simplistic. The problem was Arsene played the tippy tappy style without first putting enough players in place with the technical ability to play it. Typical of latter-day Arsene; wedge players into a system he likes rather than utilise a system that suits the actual players in place. Arsene killed our one-touch, lightening fast game by his myopic refusal to be being realistic and pragmatic. :|
Makes sense - see also Özil/Giroud. We have a potential Rolls-Royce trying to thread it through to an immobile jalopy who seems unable/unwilling to break at pace into the box and get in behind teams.

To specifically single out Cesc is silly because, and put aside your feelings regarding his leaving, he was an excellent player for us who was practically marooned in a sea of midfield shit by Arsene.

He was asked to take over from Vieira at at very young age despite being a completely different player.

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DB10GOONER wrote:
I don't think anyone can blame the failure of tippy tappy on building the team around Cesc as a playmaker. Too simplistic. The problem was Arsene played the tippy tappy style without first putting enough players in place with the technical ability to play it. Typical of latter-day Arsene; wedge players into a system he likes rather than utilise a system that suits the actual players in place. Arsene killed our one-touch, lightening fast game by his myopic refusal to be being realistic and pragmatic. :|
you're basically agreeing with what i said - Wenger played him out of position and then built a team round him.

as keown said football is simple - keown, vieira, bergkamp, henry, goal....

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clockender1 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
I don't think anyone can blame the failure of tippy tappy on building the team around Cesc as a playmaker. Too simplistic. The problem was Arsene played the tippy tappy style without first putting enough players in place with the technical ability to play it. Typical of latter-day Arsene; wedge players into a system he likes rather than utilise a system that suits the actual players in place. Arsene killed our one-touch, lightening fast game by his myopic refusal to be being realistic and pragmatic. :|
you're basically agreeing with what i said - Wenger played him out of position and then built a team round him.

as keown said football is simple - keown, vieira, bergkamp, henry, goal....
Yep - my reply wasn't aimed at you CE1, rather at the article.

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officepest wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
clockender1 wrote:past the bollocks about money, some interesting comment here about the change from Lightning Football to Tika Taka from Jens :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... inner.html

it seems the transition to building the team round Cesc as playmaker killed our one-touch game. Funny that Barca put him straight in further forward in the Ozil role - he's even in the Spain squad as "Forward" too.

i hate to say it, but most of Redknapps comments are spot on though you can see Keown has reservations deep down.
I don't think anyone can blame the failure of tippy tappy on building the team around Cesc as a playmaker. Too simplistic. The problem was Arsene played the tippy tappy style without first putting enough players in place with the technical ability to play it. Typical of latter-day Arsene; wedge players into a system he likes rather than utilise a system that suits the actual players in place. Arsene killed our one-touch, lightening fast game by his myopic refusal to be being realistic and pragmatic. :|
Makes sense - see also Özil/Giroud. We have a potential Rolls-Royce trying to thread it through to an immobile jalopy who seems unable/unwilling to break at pace into the box and get in behind teams.

To specifically single out Cesc is silly because, and put aside your feelings regarding his leaving, he was an excellent player for us who was practically marooned in a sea of midfield shit by Arsene.

He was asked to take over from Vieira at at very young age despite being a completely different player.
I know. I can't believe Wenger ever thought Denilson and Diaby were good enough, although he's still clinging to Diaby for some inexplicable reason.

Imagine you're Cesc. You win international medals with Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets and then you have to come back to the Emirates and play with Denilson, Diaby and Eboue

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I was reading a pre-match write up on the final and couldn't help but notice this gem pertaining to Wenger's still unsigned new contract:

'It is also possible that Wenger is battling to wring every last penny out of the deal. He has always fought for what he can get from his contracts – maintaining, not unreasonably, that he deserves it – before he fights with everything he has for the club'.

I'm lost for words... He deserves a raise? :lol: :shock: :(

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... -hull-city

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VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:I was reading a pre-match write up on the final and couldn't help but notice this gem pertaining to Wenger's still unsigned new contract:

'It is also possible that Wenger is battling to wring every last penny out of the deal. He has always fought for what he can get from his contracts – maintaining, not unreasonably, that he deserves it – before he fights with everything he has for the club'.

I'm lost for words... He deserves a raise? :lol: :shock: :(

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... -hull-city


Hmmmphhh.

An FA Cup win and Wenger retirement please.

WENGER OUT

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Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger will sign a new £8m-a-year contract to stay with the Gunners whether they win the FA Cup on Saturday or not.

Full story: The Sun


Glad I'm testing out the BBQ today

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SteveO 35 wrote:Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger will sign a new £8m-a-year contract to stay with the Gunners whether they win the FA Cup on Saturday or not.

Full story: The Sun


Glad I'm testing out the BBQ today

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Kalou , new Wenger contract, Cup Final...does it get better ?

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Arsene Wenger has earned £63,000,000 since Arsenal last won a trophy....(from today's papers) .

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