THE WENGER THREAD

[markyp]

I'm not a Gooner but I'd be worried as an Arsenal supporter if Wenger does stay on until he retires.

He's a good manager but looks a bit lost these days to me. I mean, Arsenal stumbled through against Wigan and Hull. Will Wenger really change his ideas and the way he approaches transfers? I can't see it.

And the thing is now, he can finish Top 4 without trophies for the next 2/3 seasons because he has this FA Cup win to point at.

So I can see why there are many frustrated Arsenal supporters in here - I felt like this under Moyes but luckily we got rid pretty quickly in the grand scheme of things.

THIS!!! this is the view with a clear head from the outside in,AKB'S please read and digest

[Theoperator]

ONE ARSENE WENGER......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

Not helping, SteveO....

I think I'm factually correct though

That must be the first factually correct fact we have seen on this thread for 246 pages, FACT

[augie]

Overwhelming support for Wenger at the parade yesterday.

Guess I'm part of the deluded majority.

There was unreal support for him!

these wob's wouldn't have a clue about that though mate, genuinely not sure they exist in real life

I don't like getting into slanging matches with fellow Gooners but seriously that is a ludicrous statement. You cannot question loyalty based on blind support. I'm loath to say it but I watched a lot of the interviews with our fans yesterday and the ones that were praising Arsene came out with absolute idiotic statements like "Of course he's STILL the best man for the job. Look at the sustained success he's brought us!" and "There's no Arsenal without Wenger".

No attempt to analyse the situation, to be balanced, or even appear grounded in reality. Balance is Wenger was a great manager. Wenger is no longer a great manager. Great managers are judged and graded by sustained success. Success is winning trophies. The facts speak for themselves. In Wenger's first 9 years we won 3 PL, and 4 FA Cups. In his last 9? 1 (that's ONE) FA Cup. And let's get past the joy of winning it here for a moment and admit that we made fucking hard work of that. If Bruce Jnr hadn't gone off, who knows how it might have gone...

It's a bit insultive to suggest that all AKB's show blind logic on the basis of a few interviews, does anyone say anything half intelligent when they have a camera or a microphone thrust in their direction?

Personally it would have been quite embarrassing to hear any gooner openly criticising Wenger yesterday. Lets see what happens over the next few years and enjoy the moment. There was an interview with a family yesterday when everyone said they where delighted with the result etc, but when the youngest kid(who must have been 3) was asked what he thought of wenger, he said he wanted him out! Cue a very beetroot red dad!



I would be happy to see new management at Arsenal, but it has to be a gradual process and preferably be an ex player imo (Bergkamp would be perfect).

How the fcuk can it be gradual ? Surely you either have a new manager or you don't ? Maybe you are suggesting a similar situation to the manure scum who allowed to former manager to stand looming over his successor as the whole thing fell to pieces ?

There is nobody more sentimental about the good old days and the former great players than I am, but sentimentality has to go out the window when we appoint a new manager. We will need an experienced manager, a guy that has a tactical brain and who hasn't been left behind by the changes to modern football. We need a guy who will come in and be ruthless with the playing staff AND the backroom staff (coaches, physio's, scouts etc) and get rid of those that are no longer performing at the required level. If all those factors don't tell you that Bergkamp cant be that guy, then let me remind of the handicap his refusal to fly caused on his playing career cos opting out of some European games is not an option if you are manager

[SteveO 35]

ONE ARSENE WENGER......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

Not helping, SteveO....

I think I'm factually correct though

That must be the first factually correct fact we have seen on this thread for 246 pages, FACT

Rafa - are you coming back to England to be someone's man-a-hah?

[nut flush gooner]

Just cant see it as a gradual process, you are either a manager or not. He just isnt the sort to loosen hands of power, in fact he has done quite the opposite with time.

Ghana thought to try a gradual process of moving to driving on the right with HGVs and vans one week Cars the next

Ghana is a totally lawless country, have you seen a documentary called Jungle Gold? Dunno where that comparison came from tbh.

[Theoperator]

Just saying gradual changes can be a disaster

[DB10GOONER]

Overwhelming support for Wenger at the parade yesterday.

Guess I'm part of the deluded majority.

There was unreal support for him!

these wob's wouldn't have a clue about that though mate, genuinely not sure they exist in real life

I don't like getting into slanging matches with fellow Gooners but seriously that is a ludicrous statement. You cannot question loyalty based on blind support. I'm loath to say it but I watched a lot of the interviews with our fans yesterday and the ones that were praising Arsene came out with absolute idiotic statements like "Of course he's STILL the best man for the job. Look at the sustained success he's brought us!" and "There's no Arsenal without Wenger".

No attempt to analyse the situation, to be balanced, or even appear grounded in reality. Balance is Wenger was a great manager. Wenger is no longer a great manager. Great managers are judged and graded by sustained success. Success is winning trophies. The facts speak for themselves. In Wenger's first 9 years we won 3 PL, and 4 FA Cups. In his last 9? 1 (that's ONE) FA Cup. And let's get past the joy of winning it here for a moment and admit that we made fucking hard work of that. If Bruce Jnr hadn't gone off, who knows how it might have gone...

It's a bit insultive to suggest that all AKB's show blind logic on the basis of a few interviews, does anyone say anything half intelligent when they have a camera or a microphone thrust in their direction?

Personally it would have been quite embarrassing to hear any gooner openly criticising Wenger yesterday. Lets see what happens over the next few years and enjoy the moment. There was an interview with a family yesterday when everyone said they where delighted with the result etc, but when the youngest kid(who must have been 3) was asked what he thought of wenger, he said he wanted him out! Cue a very beetroot red dad!



I would be happy to see new management at Arsenal, but it has to be a gradual process and preferably be an ex player imo (Bergkamp would be perfect).

How the fcuk can it be gradual ? Surely you either have a new manager or you don't ? Maybe you are suggesting a similar situation to the manure scum who allowed to former manager to stand looming over his successor as the whole thing fell to pieces ?

There is nobody more sentimental about the good old days and the former great players than I am, but sentimentality has to go out the window when we appoint a new manager. We will need an experienced manager, a guy that has a tactical brain and who hasn't been left behind by the changes to modern football. We need a guy who will come in and be ruthless with the playing staff AND the backroom staff (coaches, physio's, scouts etc) and get rid of those that are no longer performing at the required level. If all those factors don't tell you that Bergkamp cant be that guy, then let me remind of the handicap his refusal to fly caused on his playing career cos opting out of some European games is not an option if you are manager

100% this ^. Every word. There are few men on this planet that love Bergkamp more than me (and yes if I had to I'd let him skewer me like a cheap cut of pork! ) but I would not want him managing Arsenal. I would love to see him come back as a coach to teach the technical aspects of the game but only as part of a larger coaching staff where his refusal to fly would not hinder us in the CL. Also Manure have shown what a recipe for disaster letting your manager pick his replacement is.

[SPUDMASHER]

I don't know why everyone is bothering with what attributes our new manager needs to possess. Here's the simple truth......we're not getting one for at least 3 more years!

As much as I would have liked to see a change at the top I, like all of you lot, have to accept that it isn't going to happen. If there is one thing that is for certain he will not get sacked mid-term. He'll go when he is ready and not before. The board will never intervene!

So that leaves us two choices:-

1. Moan like a bunch of bitches or,
2. Get behind the manager and the team and do what supporters do.....support!

I am by no means an AKB...read some of my previous posts on this thread and you'll see that. I just think that we now need to put this to bed and move forward with a new season in August. Hopefully the old goat will have added a couple of decent players to the squad by then and we can push for more success.

Also, to the midget jackeen muvva fucka from Dublin. If you've read God10's book you'll know that he has expressly stated that he doesn't want to be a manager. He prefers to be in a technical coaching role in the background. Your not telling us anything we don't already know.
So get a grip you dozy fucktard

[Clash]

I enjoyed winning the cup but I will not pretend that I was ecstatic. That's because while Wenger remains in charge, I have had to become more detached than I'd like to be just to keep my sanity. And a consequence of becoming detached is not being able to feel ecstatic about anything that happens.

I really want to get back to being 100% behind the club so I am gutted, distressed and disgusted that Wenger is staying. I just cannot accept he is being offered another new deal after yet another self-inflicted collapse!

But how fucking typical of him is it to finally win the FA Cup (after years of treating it with contempt) in the very season that not winning it might have forced him out. And how fucking typical that fans who have defended his decision to give priority to areas other than the cup competitions are now holding the cup win up as a reason to justify his new contract.

Far too much of this cup win has been about Wenger for my liking. You have players in interviews being asked: 'what does this mean to the manager? '' as though it was for him first and foremost. And some mug on TV even came out with ''I'm so pleased for Arsene after 9 tough years without winning anything'' Yeah those 9 barren years really are nothing to do with him or his mis-management are they?! Then there's the 'I'm so pleased for Arsene'' comments I keep hearing.

As for the future, I have nothing but a deflated feeling of resignation that it will just bring us more of the same. I used to think the players needed to win something to change their mentality but I no longer think winning the cup will give these players the taste of success that will take them up to the next level. I just think they will live off of it and milk it for all its worth. They may even become more complacent instead of more hungry, who knows? But the players at Arsenal in recent years have definitely had a tendency to get sucked into the hype before proving themselves and the manager has not addressed this. In fact he is just as bad so for me there remains no hope of any genuine progress under Wenger from this point.

Adding a piece of actual silverware is a positive thing of course but the only thing that would have had me buzzing with any anticipation for next season would have been having a new manager. Now that Wenger has finally won something, he has reset the clock to zero in the minds of many who were close to turning against him but hadn't yet done so. I fear that he has been able to wipe the slate clean just by winning the same cup that a side who got relegated last season won. It is glory to win the FA Cup but it is not a reflection on the quality of your team.

Any momentum (for want of a better word) that had built towards getting rid of him has been halted. The man has not only survived, he has become the hero again. You only have to see the reaction of the fans yesterday at the parade to realise that. Those of us who wanted him out are back at square one. A minimum 3 years of this repetitive nonsense awaits.

Good for everyone who is still on a high after Saturday though. I am genuinely pleased for those who can still enjoy football and supporting Arsenal the way it should be enjoyed. I'm very glad for the younger fans too, especially the kids because that's the best time to see your team win things. You never forget your first trophy and no generation wants to only be able to look at the past, they want their own memories.

I admit this post is on the doom side but believe it or not I do think the scenes on Saturday and yesterday were great to see. But I cannot help wondering how many of those scenes Wenger's inept management has denied us in the last several years. There is no doubt in my mind that he has been a hindrance to us so quite frankly I say bollocks to all that stuff about ''it’s nice to see him smiling'' because he is the one man who has prevented us and himself from having more to smile about and experiencing more of what we saw at the weekend.

I would end by saying WENGER OUT but what's the fucking point, the man is staying FFS!

[DB10GOONER]

I don't know why everyone is bothering with what attributes our new manager needs to possess. Here's the simple truth......we're not getting one for at least 3 more years!

As much as I would have liked to see a change at the top I, like all of you lot, have to accept that it isn't going to happen. If there is one thing that is for certain he will not get sacked mid-term. He'll go when he is ready and not before. The board will never intervene!

So that leaves us two choices:-

1. Moan like a bunch of bitches or,
2. Get behind the manager and the team and do what supporters do.....support!

I am by no means an AKB...read some of my previous posts on this thread and you'll see that. I just think that we now need to put this to bed and move forward with a new season in August. Hopefully the old goat will have added a couple of decent players to the squad by then and we can push for more success.

Also, to the midget jackeen muvva fucka from Dublin. If you've read God10's book you'll know that he has expressly stated that he doesn't want to be a manager. He prefers to be in a technical coaching role in the background. Your not telling us anything we don't already know.
So get a grip you dozy fucktard

Yes SPUDTARD, I have read it and am aware that the other DB10 doesn't want to be a manager. I was actually addressing the other poster's comments, you ill-educated fuckwound!

[DB10GOONER]

I don't know why everyone is bothering with what attributes our new manager needs to possess. Here's the simple truth......we're not getting one for at least 3 more years!

As much as I would have liked to see a change at the top I, like all of you lot, have to accept that it isn't going to happen. If there is one thing that is for certain he will not get sacked mid-term. He'll go when he is ready and not before. The board will never intervene!

So that leaves us two choices:-

1. Moan like a bunch of bitches or,
2. Get behind the manager and the team and do what supporters do.....support!

I am by no means an AKB...read some of my previous posts on this thread and you'll see that. I just think that we now need to put this to bed and move forward with a new season in August. Hopefully the old goat will have added a couple of decent players to the squad by then and we can push for more success.

Also, to the midget jackeen muvva fucka from Dublin. If you've read God10's book you'll know that he has expressly stated that he doesn't want to be a manager. He prefers to be in a technical coaching role in the background. Your not telling us anything we don't already know.
So get a grip you dozy fucktard

You are if "AKB" stands for "ArseKuntBollocks"!

[SydneyGooner]

I enjoyed winning the cup but I will not pretend that I was ecstatic. That's because while Wenger remains in charge, I have had to become more detached than I'd like to be just to keep my sanity. And a consequence of becoming detached is not being able to feel ecstatic about anything that happens.

I really want to get back to being 100% behind the club so I am gutted, distressed and disgusted that Wenger is staying. I just cannot accept he is being offered another new deal after yet another self-inflicted collapse!

But how fucking typical of him is it to finally win the FA Cup (after years of treating it with contempt) in the very season that not winning it might have forced him out. And how fucking typical that fans who have defended his decision to give priority to areas other than the cup competitions are now holding the cup win up as a reason to justify his new contract.

Far too much of this cup win has been about Wenger for my liking. You have players in interviews being asked: 'what does this mean to the manager? '' as though it was for him first and foremost. And some mug on TV even came out with ''I'm so pleased for Arsene after 9 tough years without winning anything'' Yeah those 9 barren years really are nothing to do with him or his mis-management are they?! Then there's the 'I'm so pleased for Arsene'' comments I keep hearing.

As for the future, I have nothing but a deflated feeling of resignation that it will just bring us more of the same. I used to think the players needed to win something to change their mentality but I no longer think winning the cup will give these players the taste of success that will take them up to the next level. I just think they will live off of it and milk it for all its worth. They may even become more complacent instead of more hungry, who knows? But the players at Arsenal in recent years have definitely had a tendency to get sucked into the hype before proving themselves and the manager has not addressed this. In fact he is just as bad so for me there remains no hope of any genuine progress under Wenger from this point.

Adding a piece of actual silverware is a positive thing of course but the only thing that would have had me buzzing with any anticipation for next season would have been having a new manager. Now that Wenger has finally won something, he has reset the clock to zero in the minds of many who were close to turning against him but hadn't yet done so. I fear that he has been able to wipe the slate clean just by winning the same cup that a side who got relegated last season won. It is glory to win the FA Cup but it is not a reflection on the quality of your team.

Any momentum (for want of a better word) that had built towards getting rid of him has been halted. The man has not only survived, he has become the hero again. You only have to see the reaction of the fans yesterday at the parade to realise that. Those of us who wanted him out are back at square one. A minimum 3 years of this repetitive nonsense awaits.

Good for everyone who is still on a high after Saturday though. I am genuinely pleased for those who can still enjoy football and supporting Arsenal the way it should be enjoyed. I'm very glad for the younger fans too, especially the kids because that's the best time to see your team win things. You never forget your first trophy and no generation wants to only be able to look at the past, they want their own memories.

I admit this post is on the doom side but believe it or not I do think the scenes on Saturday and yesterday were great to see. But I cannot help wondering how many of those scenes Wenger's inept management has denied us in the last several years. There is no doubt in my mind that he has been a hindrance to us so quite frankly I say bollocks to all that stuff about ''it’s nice to see him smiling'' because he is the one man who has prevented us and himself from having more to smile about and experiencing more of what we saw at the weekend.

I would end by saying WENGER OUT but what's the fucking point, the man is staying FFS!

Brilliant post Clash.

I agree with every word you wrote, but the highlighted parts resonate with me the most because it's for those very same reasons I couldn't and still can't find myself savouring this victory. Which is truly a sad state of affairs because this is the first time I've actually seen us win something.

[Dan_85]

I enjoyed winning the cup but I will not pretend that I was ecstatic. That's because while Wenger remains in charge, I have had to become more detached than I'd like to be just to keep my sanity. And a consequence of becoming detached is not being able to feel ecstatic about anything that happens.

I really want to get back to being 100% behind the club so I am gutted, distressed and disgusted that Wenger is staying. I just cannot accept he is being offered another new deal after yet another self-inflicted collapse!

But how fucking typical of him is it to finally win the FA Cup (after years of treating it with contempt) in the very season that not winning it might have forced him out. And how fucking typical that fans who have defended his decision to give priority to areas other than the cup competitions are now holding the cup win up as a reason to justify his new contract.

Far too much of this cup win has been about Wenger for my liking. You have players in interviews being asked: 'what does this mean to the manager? '' as though it was for him first and foremost. And some mug on TV even came out with ''I'm so pleased for Arsene after 9 tough years without winning anything'' Yeah those 9 barren years really are nothing to do with him or his mis-management are they?! Then there's the 'I'm so pleased for Arsene'' comments I keep hearing.

As for the future, I have nothing but a deflated feeling of resignation that it will just bring us more of the same. I used to think the players needed to win something to change their mentality but I no longer think winning the cup will give these players the taste of success that will take them up to the next level. I just think they will live off of it and milk it for all its worth. They may even become more complacent instead of more hungry, who knows? But the players at Arsenal in recent years have definitely had a tendency to get sucked into the hype before proving themselves and the manager has not addressed this. In fact he is just as bad so for me there remains no hope of any genuine progress under Wenger from this point.

Adding a piece of actual silverware is a positive thing of course but the only thing that would have had me buzzing with any anticipation for next season would have been having a new manager. Now that Wenger has finally won something, he has reset the clock to zero in the minds of many who were close to turning against him but hadn't yet done so. I fear that he has been able to wipe the slate clean just by winning the same cup that a side who got relegated last season won. It is glory to win the FA Cup but it is not a reflection on the quality of your team.

Any momentum (for want of a better word) that had built towards getting rid of him has been halted. The man has not only survived, he has become the hero again. You only have to see the reaction of the fans yesterday at the parade to realise that. Those of us who wanted him out are back at square one. A minimum 3 years of this repetitive nonsense awaits.

Good for everyone who is still on a high after Saturday though. I am genuinely pleased for those who can still enjoy football and supporting Arsenal the way it should be enjoyed. I'm very glad for the younger fans too, especially the kids because that's the best time to see your team win things. You never forget your first trophy and no generation wants to only be able to look at the past, they want their own memories.

I admit this post is on the doom side but believe it or not I do think the scenes on Saturday and yesterday were great to see. But I cannot help wondering how many of those scenes Wenger's inept management has denied us in the last several years. There is no doubt in my mind that he has been a hindrance to us so quite frankly I say bollocks to all that stuff about ''it’s nice to see him smiling'' because he is the one man who has prevented us and himself from having more to smile about and experiencing more of what we saw at the weekend.

I would end by saying WENGER OUT but what's the fucking point, the man is staying FFS!

Pretty much sums up my feelings. Was delighted to win the cup, but depressed that Wenger's slate has been wiped clean and seemingly given free reign to continue "the project" for another three years...

[Gunner Rob]

great post Clash... BUT it is very hard to win the FA Cup and Wenger to his credit has now won 5 of them.
between 1971 and 1993 we won just one FA Cup.

so although what you say is probably right I am going to savour this win for at least another week.
plenty of time over the next 3 YEARS to get depressed...

[nut flush gooner]

great post Clash... BUT it is very hard to win the FA Cup and Wenger to his credit has now won 5 of them.
between 1971 and 1993 we won just one FA Cup.

so although what you say is probably right I am going to savour this win for at least another week.
plenty of time over the next 3 YEARS to get depressed...

Yeah, if you cant enjoy these times then when can you.

Will be interesting to see which way this thread goes if Arsenal win the league next season.

Its too fractious for my liking tbh, you can't even make a suggestion without it being jumped on so I wont bother with it any more, and I re-iterate I am not AKB, just think he deserves a little more respect.