As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Very very sad to hear a Gooner not enjoying the win, WTF WTF
Yeah its sort of justified in the post but what sort of fan isnt happy to see us win the cup
Spuddy surely has a point, nothing we say will have much effect at least for a year, especially considering the huge effect its had so far on the run of things, so the thread needs closing for a year- all the other posts have the same debates on it anyway
Clash wrote:I enjoyed winning the cup but I will not pretend that I was ecstatic. That's because while Wenger remains in charge, I have had to become more detached than I'd like to be just to keep my sanity. And a consequence of becoming detached is not being able to feel ecstatic about anything that happens.
I really want to get back to being 100% behind the club so I am gutted, distressed and disgusted that Wenger is staying. I just cannot accept he is being offered another new deal after yet another self-inflicted collapse!
But how fucking typical of him is it to finally win the FA Cup (after years of treating it with contempt) in the very season that not winning it might have forced him out. And how fucking typical that fans who have defended his decision to give priority to areas other than the cup competitions are now holding the cup win up as a reason to justify his new contract.
Far too much of this cup win has been about Wenger for my liking. You have players in interviews being asked: 'what does this mean to the manager? '' as though it was for him first and foremost. And some mug on TV even came out with ''I'm so pleased for Arsene after 9 tough years without winning anything'' Yeah those 9 barren years really are nothing to do with him or his mis-management are they?! Then there's the 'I'm so pleased for Arsene'' comments I keep hearing.
As for the future, I have nothing but a deflated feeling of resignation that it will just bring us more of the same. I used to think the players needed to win something to change their mentality but I no longer think winning the cup will give these players the taste of success that will take them up to the next level. I just think they will live off of it and milk it for all its worth. They may even become more complacent instead of more hungry, who knows? But the players at Arsenal in recent years have definitely had a tendency to get sucked into the hype before proving themselves and the manager has not addressed this. In fact he is just as bad so for me there remains no hope of any genuine progress under Wenger from this point.
Adding a piece of actual silverware is a positive thing of course but the only thing that would have had me buzzing with any anticipation for next season would have been having a new manager. Now that Wenger has finally won something, he has reset the clock to zero in the minds of many who were close to turning against him but hadn't yet done so. I fear that he has been able to wipe the slate clean just by winning the same cup that a side who got relegated last season won. It is glory to win the FA Cup but it is not a reflection on the quality of your team.
Any momentum (for want of a better word) that had built towards getting rid of him has been halted. The man has not only survived, he has become the hero again. You only have to see the reaction of the fans yesterday at the parade to realise that. Those of us who wanted him out are back at square one. A minimum 3 years of this repetitive nonsense awaits.
Good for everyone who is still on a high after Saturday though. I am genuinely pleased for those who can still enjoy football and supporting Arsenal the way it should be enjoyed. I'm very glad for the younger fans too, especially the kids because that's the best time to see your team win things. You never forget your first trophy and no generation wants to only be able to look at the past, they want their own memories.
I admit this post is on the doom side but believe it or not I do think the scenes on Saturday and yesterday were great to see. But I cannot help wondering how many of those scenes Wenger's inept management has denied us in the last several years. There is no doubt in my mind that he has been a hindrance to us so quite frankly I say bollocks to all that stuff about ''it’s nice to see him smiling'' because he is the one man who has prevented us and himself from having more to smile about and experiencing more of what we saw at the weekend.
I would end by saying WENGER OUT but what's the fucking point, the man is staying FFS!
Absolute garbage, stop being such a drama queen.
" But I cannot help wondering how many of those scenes Wenger's inept management has denied us in the last several years."
Crikey, and people talk about scousers having a sense of entitlement
" It is glory to win the FA Cup but it is not a reflection on the quality of your team." So I guess the logical conclusion from that is that not winning the FA Cup is not a reflection on the quality of your team either? By god, maybe the VT truly is Wenger's greatest ever achievement because let's face it, surely even the most blinkered Wenger hater must acknowledge that we're at a signicant disadvantage in terms of winning the league? (Not that it's completely impossible for us to do it of course).
Weekends like the one we've just had come along all too infrequently, so suck it up and enjoy every last drop of it. Forget who the manager is for a day, a week, a month.....get shitfaced and celebrate in the face of Spurs, Chavs, Mickeys etc
I am just now starting to recover having celebrated like fuck all weekend. Not at a single point did I let what's happening with Wenger enter in to it.
As soon as dust settles and it becomes apparent that there won't be any top drawer signings coming in and we end up doing a last minute trolley dash for Kalou, Aurier and Gonalons, there will be all the time in the world to have a good old fucking moan
I just want to enjoy this moment for a while longer yet thanks !
LaughingGooner wrote:Overwhelming support for Wenger at the parade yesterday.
Guess I'm part of the deluded majority.
There was unreal support for him!
these wob's wouldn't have a clue about that though mate, genuinely not sure they exist in real life
I don't like getting into slanging matches with fellow Gooners but seriously that is a ludicrous statement. You cannot question loyalty based on blind support. I'm loath to say it but I watched a lot of the interviews with our fans yesterday and the ones that were praising Arsene came out with absolute idiotic statements like "Of course he's STILL the best man for the job. Look at the sustained success he's brought us!" and "There's no Arsenal without Wenger".
No attempt to analyse the situation, to be balanced, or even appear grounded in reality. Balance is Wenger was a great manager. Wenger is no longer a great manager. Great managers are judged and graded by sustained success. Success is winning trophies. The facts speak for themselves. In Wenger's first 9 years we won 3 PL, and 4 FA Cups. In his last 9? 1 (that's ONE) FA Cup. And let's get past the joy of winning it here for a moment and admit that we made fucking hard work of that. If Bruce Jnr hadn't gone off, who knows how it might have gone...
SteveO 35 wrote:Weekends like the one we've just had come along all too infrequently, so suck it up and enjoy every last drop of it. Forget who the manager is for a day, a week, a month.....get shitfaced and celebrate in the face of Spurs, Chavs, Mickeys etc
I am just now starting to recover having celebrated like fuck all weekend. Not at a single point did I let what's happening with Wenger enter in to it.
As soon as dust settles and it becomes apparent that there won't be any top drawer signings coming in and we end up doing a last minute trolley dash for Kalou, Aurier and Gonalons, there will be all the time in the world to have a good old fucking moan
I just want to enjoy this moment for a while longer yet thanks !
Abso-fucking-lutely. Was lucky enough to have a ticket for the game so after sinking a fair few pints with old mates on Friday had easily one of the best days of my life Saturday and yesterday was a fucking blast. Been absolutely buzzing today and am hoping it will stretch to next weekend with a huge piss-up already lined up for Saturday's sport fest.
All the time in the world for moaning, my feelings haven't changed but honestly that shit isn't going to rile me this week.
Clash wrote:I enjoyed winning the cup but I will not pretend that I was ecstatic. That's because while Wenger remains in charge, I have had to become more detached than I'd like to be just to keep my sanity. And a consequence of becoming detached is not being able to feel ecstatic about anything that happens.
I really want to get back to being 100% behind the club so I am gutted, distressed and disgusted that Wenger is staying. I just cannot accept he is being offered another new deal after yet another self-inflicted collapse!
But how fucking typical of him is it to finally win the FA Cup (after years of treating it with contempt) in the very season that not winning it might have forced him out. And how fucking typical that fans who have defended his decision to give priority to areas other than the cup competitions are now holding the cup win up as a reason to justify his new contract.
Far too much of this cup win has been about Wenger for my liking. You have players in interviews being asked: 'what does this mean to the manager? '' as though it was for him first and foremost. And some mug on TV even came out with ''I'm so pleased for Arsene after 9 tough years without winning anything'' Yeah those 9 barren years really are nothing to do with him or his mis-management are they?! Then there's the 'I'm so pleased for Arsene'' comments I keep hearing.
As for the future, I have nothing but a deflated feeling of resignation that it will just bring us more of the same. I used to think the players needed to win something to change their mentality but I no longer think winning the cup will give these players the taste of success that will take them up to the next level. I just think they will live off of it and milk it for all its worth. They may even become more complacent instead of more hungry, who knows? But the players at Arsenal in recent years have definitely had a tendency to get sucked into the hype before proving themselves and the manager has not addressed this. In fact he is just as bad so for me there remains no hope of any genuine progress under Wenger from this point.
Adding a piece of actual silverware is a positive thing of course but the only thing that would have had me buzzing with any anticipation for next season would have been having a new manager. Now that Wenger has finally won something, he has reset the clock to zero in the minds of many who were close to turning against him but hadn't yet done so. I fear that he has been able to wipe the slate clean just by winning the same cup that a side who got relegated last season won. It is glory to win the FA Cup but it is not a reflection on the quality of your team.
Any momentum (for want of a better word) that had built towards getting rid of him has been halted. The man has not only survived, he has become the hero again. You only have to see the reaction of the fans yesterday at the parade to realise that. Those of us who wanted him out are back at square one. A minimum 3 years of this repetitive nonsense awaits.
Good for everyone who is still on a high after Saturday though. I am genuinely pleased for those who can still enjoy football and supporting Arsenal the way it should be enjoyed. I'm very glad for the younger fans too, especially the kids because that's the best time to see your team win things. You never forget your first trophy and no generation wants to only be able to look at the past, they want their own memories.
I admit this post is on the doom side but believe it or not I do think the scenes on Saturday and yesterday were great to see. But I cannot help wondering how many of those scenes Wenger's inept management has denied us in the last several years. There is no doubt in my mind that he has been a hindrance to us so quite frankly I say bollocks to all that stuff about ''it’s nice to see him smiling'' because he is the one man who has prevented us and himself from having more to smile about and experiencing more of what we saw at the weekend.
I would end by saying WENGER OUT but what's the fucking point, the man is staying FFS!
SPOT ON TO EVERY WORD OF THAT MATE!!!!!!
I've been a Gooner for well over 30 years - I was once Wenger's biggest fan but all Saturday's win means to me is another 3 years of over-priced, predictable "comfort zone" football.
Post 2004, Wenger ignored and dis-respected the FA Cup for years FFS . . . . . . . .
Clash wrote:I enjoyed winning the cup but I will not pretend that I was ecstatic. That's because while Wenger remains in charge, I have had to become more detached than I'd like to be just to keep my sanity. And a consequence of becoming detached is not being able to feel ecstatic about anything that happens.
I really want to get back to being 100% behind the club so I am gutted, distressed and disgusted that Wenger is staying. I just cannot accept he is being offered another new deal after yet another self-inflicted collapse!
But how fucking typical of him is it to finally win the FA Cup (after years of treating it with contempt) in the very season that not winning it might have forced him out. And how fucking typical that fans who have defended his decision to give priority to areas other than the cup competitions are now holding the cup win up as a reason to justify his new contract.
Far too much of this cup win has been about Wenger for my liking. You have players in interviews being asked: 'what does this mean to the manager? '' as though it was for him first and foremost. And some mug on TV even came out with ''I'm so pleased for Arsene after 9 tough years without winning anything'' Yeah those 9 barren years really are nothing to do with him or his mis-management are they?! Then there's the 'I'm so pleased for Arsene'' comments I keep hearing.
As for the future, I have nothing but a deflated feeling of resignation that it will just bring us more of the same. I used to think the players needed to win something to change their mentality but I no longer think winning the cup will give these players the taste of success that will take them up to the next level. I just think they will live off of it and milk it for all its worth. They may even become more complacent instead of more hungry, who knows? But the players at Arsenal in recent years have definitely had a tendency to get sucked into the hype before proving themselves and the manager has not addressed this. In fact he is just as bad so for me there remains no hope of any genuine progress under Wenger from this point.
Adding a piece of actual silverware is a positive thing of course but the only thing that would have had me buzzing with any anticipation for next season would have been having a new manager. Now that Wenger has finally won something, he has reset the clock to zero in the minds of many who were close to turning against him but hadn't yet done so. I fear that he has been able to wipe the slate clean just by winning the same cup that a side who got relegated last season won. It is glory to win the FA Cup but it is not a reflection on the quality of your team.
Any momentum (for want of a better word) that had built towards getting rid of him has been halted. The man has not only survived, he has become the hero again. You only have to see the reaction of the fans yesterday at the parade to realise that. Those of us who wanted him out are back at square one. A minimum 3 years of this repetitive nonsense awaits.
Good for everyone who is still on a high after Saturday though. I am genuinely pleased for those who can still enjoy football and supporting Arsenal the way it should be enjoyed. I'm very glad for the younger fans too, especially the kids because that's the best time to see your team win things. You never forget your first trophy and no generation wants to only be able to look at the past, they want their own memories.
I admit this post is on the doom side but believe it or not I do think the scenes on Saturday and yesterday were great to see. But I cannot help wondering how many of those scenes Wenger's inept management has denied us in the last several years. There is no doubt in my mind that he has been a hindrance to us so quite frankly I say bollocks to all that stuff about ''it’s nice to see him smiling'' because he is the one man who has prevented us and himself from having more to smile about and experiencing more of what we saw at the weekend.
I would end by saying WENGER OUT but what's the fucking point, the man is staying FFS!
SPOT ON TO EVERY WORD OF THAT MATE!!!!!!
I've been a Gooner for well over 30 years - I was once Wenger's biggest fan but all Saturday's win means to me is another 3 years of over-priced, predictable "comfort zone" football.
Post 2004, Wenger ignored and dis-respected the FA Cup for years FFS . . . . . . . .
Swifty wrote:Wenger owners Ramsey the biggest sling in history.
Come again?
Devils cut bourbon, headache meds and a seven hour time difference mate. Go easy on Swifty.
WENGER OUT.
thanks top, hair of the dog fixed at all.
Re a sling - it's from racing parlance where an owner gives a jockey an unofficial payment for getting them a nice but of prize money ie without Ramsey Wenger may not have got his big contract.
Swifty wrote:Wenger owners Ramsey the biggest sling in history.
Come again?
Devils cut bourbon, headache meds and a seven hour time difference mate. Go easy on Swifty.
WENGER OUT.
thanks top, hair of the dog fixed at all.
Re a sling - it's from racing parlance where an owner gives a jockey an unofficial payment for getting them a nice but of prize money ie without Ramsey Wenger may not have got his big contract.
yeah i got that "sling em a back hander" ...
but let us not forget brothers that prior to Saturday that nearly every Arsenal ex pro - dixon, winterburn, merson, lehmann, parlour, sol, keown, etc interviewed who had played for AW, publicly stated that he should resign if we lost.
so Wenger was just 19mins away from oblivion when kos half-volleyed in.
There is absolutely nothing in Saturdays cup win that indicated any likely improvement from Wenger is coming this season. or next.
don't kid yourselves fellows - at least until you see who we do or don't buy, and how he sets em up.
Swifty wrote:Wenger owners Ramsey the biggest sling in history.
Come again?
Devils cut bourbon, headache meds and a seven hour time difference mate. Go easy on Swifty.
WENGER OUT.
thanks top, hair of the dog fixed at all.
Re a sling - it's from racing parlance where an owner gives a jockey an unofficial payment for getting them a nice but of prize money ie without Ramsey Wenger may not have got his big contract.
yeah i got that "sling em a back hander" ...
but let us not forget brothers that prior to Saturday that nearly every Arsenal ex pro - dixon, winterburn, merson, lehmann, parlour, sol, keown, etc interviewed who had played for AW, publicly stated that he should resign if we lost.
so Wenger was just 19mins away from oblivion when kos half-volleyed in.
There is absolutely nothing in Saturdays cup win that indicated any likely improvement from Wenger is coming this season. or next.
don't kid yourselves fellows - at least until you see who we do or don't buy, and how he sets em up.
otherwise 2014-15 is still 2006 onwards.
Don't disagree with that, but not going to let it stand in the way of continuing to enjoy what was one of the best weekends ever. And I don't think anyone is kidding themselves (apart from anyone with a goldfish brain) - there is not a fucking chance in hell that he will sign 3 or 4 top quality players that will see us really push on.
The right back position is about to be weakened and we'll also have no reserve keeper.....so those are 2 areas he needs to address just to get us back to where we are today.
Just enjoy the Summer and when Aurier and Kalou are paraded in their new Puma kits we can all become depressed again !
Agree with a lot of the comments regarding our win, I was glad to win it, but it didn't fill me with joy like previous successes, because this one came at what I consider to be an unacceptable price, 3 more years (at least) of Wenger.
Next season is set to be the toughest in years in terms of clge qualification, with 5 teams including ourselves involved, a possible 24 points to be played for in these games, a return of just 5 points won't suffice next time, as there is no way utd are going to be losing home games against the likes of west brom and newcastle.
Yup, Arsenal have been looking like heading out of the CL places for a few years and have been let off the hook by other teams crumbling. Next season will be telling, I bet Wonga walks away the first year he doesn't qualify for the CL........
We would not have won the FA cup if Wigan hadn't beaten City because there is no chance on earth we would have beaten City, our squad are incapable of rising to the big games against the really big teams and the manager is not capable of managing a winning team in those matches. More of the same coming up!
