Official World Cup Thread

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kg1794 wrote:
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:
DanielD wrote:
With more space ahead of him, we could see the brilliance of Xavi (c**t, but a good player) come to play much more often than in all the other games at the world cup. Not to mention the likes of Villa, Torres and Iniesta (Del Bosque isn't going to start with Cesc). .
I'm not so sure....

Torres is totally out of sorts and i don't think the manager particularly rates Llorente...so i think it's possible he may go with the five man midfield with either Cesc or Pedro starting....moving Villa to the centre..
I agree with this, it seems the most logical move is to push Cesc to 10 and have Villa at 9. It will make for a very congested midfield though!
Yea but i think a congested midfield will suit Spain's passing game better, also they don't want to be giving Swinefrigger too much space to be feeding Germany's front four...
I think if Spain can maintain possession in the German half it should draw the German front 4 deeper stopping them breaking en masse directly on to the Spain back four as they did against us..

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DanielD wrote:
GunnerDude wrote:Netherlands Vs Germany final it is.
I wouldn't discount Spain just yet. They're formation isn't very effective against teams who defend for their lives (Portugal were even more defensive than Paraguay), but we haven't seen them play against a team that will come to attack them the way Germany would.

With more space ahead of him, we could see the brilliance of Xavi (c**t, but a good player) come to play much more often than in all the other games at the world cup. Not to mention the likes of Villa, Torres and Iniesta (Del Bosque isn't going to start with Cesc).

I think it's a matter of who will score the first goal, both teams lost in this world cup after going 1-0 down and both of them have great counter attacking abillities.
If Del Bosque starts the same team I do not see them beating Germany.
Torres has been isolated in all the games with little support from Xavi who clearly isn't an attacking midfielder but rather a cm or a deep-lying playmaker.
Iniesta is all over the place, David Villa did little against a solid Paraguay defence until he moved central while being supported by Cesc and also against Portugal until feeding off a target man(Llorente).
Also, Ramos will go forward leaving Pique and Puyol susceptible to counters much like they were today.

So far Germany have proven to be the best defensive and counter-attacking unit in the tournament. imo they have the best tactics to handle whatever spain throw at them orelse Del Bosque changes things and gets some support to Torres while playing 2deep midfielders to protect the back 4.

Its Inter Vs Barca at San Siro all over again.

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Bergkamp-Genius wrote:
I Hate Hleb wrote:Did anyone else get sick of the media assumption that firstly, all of Africa wanted Ghana to win (when even in their own reports they had loads of Africans that preferred other teams - especially Brasil). :roll:

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You read my mind...

Every time they came out with that nonsense about the whole of Africa supporting Ghana i was like :shock: really...
There have been civil wars and border disputes raging all over Africa for centuries, they hate each other, even within different parts of the same country...
Not to mention the North Africans seeing themselves as totally different to 'black' africa...
But,
In London, even Nigerians were supporting Ghana.

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RaM wrote:Anyone think the match ups between European - South American teams could end up 3-0 to Europe?

I'd like to see it happen.
Wish I'd put a bet on that... :banghead:

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Its going to be a Holland vs Spain final for me.

The Germans have been a revelation this tournament. But I expect Spain to beat them. Germany will not be defensive and will take the game to Spain which would suit Spain's ball players and lets not forget Germany will be without Muller. It will be a tight game though, probably a 1-0 or 2-1 to Spain.

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Gunnerz4life wrote:Its going to be a Holland vs Spain final for me.

The Germans have been a revelation this tournament. But I expect Spain to beat them. Germany will not be defensive and will take the game to Spain which would suit Spain's ball players and lets not forget Germany will be without Muller. It will be a tight game though, probably a 1-0 or 2-1 to Spain.
Germany that's played purely on the counter attack and been organised, defending well and then breaking at speed with Klose and Podolski being joined by Ozil and Muller will suddenly change this brilliant winning formula and commit football suicide by going for all out attack against Spain.......without the support of Muller.....Can't see that happening somehow

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Gunnerz4life wrote:What are you trying to say? Suarez went into the field knowing that he was going to do what he did? I hope all players go to the field ready to do anything to prevent a goal, I certainly hope our Arsenal players do. We often talk about players taking yellow cards by comitting cynical fouls to get out of a dangerous situation and people encourage that. When Muller Ozil glided past the hapless Barry during the Germany England match, people were saying he should have fouled him. Isnt that cheating? But it is encouraged in the coaching circle.

The thing that is not dissmilar in the handball incidents that I mentioned in my last post, is that in all the cases the guilty player was unfairly trying to gain an advantage, its irrelavant which part of the pitch the act is committed. If Sneijder's hand ball went unnoticed, it could very well resulted in a goal, given how so many of the Brazilian players were ouit of position. If it was the 60th minute of the game and Suarez had committed the hand ball, Ghana would have had a penalty and one extra player on the field, they could have won the game with that advantage. Just because the timing of the incident doesnt make it any worse. You cant have different rules based on different match situations.

And what exactly did you expect Suarez to do? To cry when Gyan missed the penalty? His reaction though widely criticized is totally justifiable for a player whose team just got another chance to reach the semis of the world cup.
It's the attitude which is the problem with football, and what it has developed into today - the rancid professionalism. We are tuned into "doing whatever is neccessary" - regardless of whether it is right or not. Suarez is not a keeper, therefore he should be trying everything to stop the goal BAR putting his hands up intentionally to play keeper.

I don't really think you really read my points, because I don't want anything changed based upon the time of play. I want a change in attitude - and yes, possible penalties for a clear goal denied (penalty goal) where it is 100% clear (like looking at a video screen for a debatable goal - over the line).

His reaction is a kick in the teeth for football - and a team which enters a competition run by an organisation that actually states that this sort of behaviour is unacceptable.

Just to summarise, because some of your points I really don't don't what they're replying to: Suarez is typical, not alone, just typical of a general attitude. However, as was pointed out by many South Americans and commentators on South American football, this sort of cheating is seen as "admirable and commendable". It is not, and leads to the mind-numbing tumbling over, feigning injury and professional shit.

Here's Suarez:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010 ... god-suarez

As I said, it was pre-meditated.


Augie: FIFA have opened further discussion on extending the ban - in line with the guidelines - not changing the rules

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All this self righteous tosh is laughable, I defy anyone of you to let that ball go in if you were a footballer in that situation at that level of footie.
As for his reaction after the penalty save, what on earth were you expecting? for him to cry and say sorry to Ghana? :? because last I checked his allegiances are to his country URUGUAY. gosh :roll:

The rules are in place and Ghana failed to control their fate by scoring the penalty, same with Cardozo for Paraguay.

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QuartzGooner wrote:
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:
I Hate Hleb wrote:Did anyone else get sick of the media assumption that firstly, all of Africa wanted Ghana to win (when even in their own reports they had loads of Africans that preferred other teams - especially Brasil). :roll:

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You read my mind...

Every time they came out with that nonsense about the whole of Africa supporting Ghana i was like :shock: really...
There have been civil wars and border disputes raging all over Africa for centuries, they hate each other, even within different parts of the same country...
Not to mention the North Africans seeing themselves as totally different to 'black' africa...
But,
In London, even Nigerians were supporting Ghana.
I would say 90% of the flags you see on cars and around (discounting SA) are Ghana, the other 10% Brazil and Germany/Holland.

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GunnerDude wrote:All this self righteous tosh is laughable, I defy anyone of you to let that ball go in if you were a footballer in that situation at that level of footie.
As for his reaction after the penalty save, what on earth were you expecting? for him to cry and say sorry to Ghana? :? because last I checked his allegiances are to his country URUGUAY. gosh :roll:

The rules are in place and Ghana failed to control their fate by scoring the penalty, same with Cardozo for Paraguay.
Are you replying to me dude, because it's difficult to tell :wink:

NO footballer would let it in - and that is an attitude problem that goes leads to the insipid diving that just ruins the football. That is what I said. What is self-righteous, I just hate football games being ruined by something we should now applaud and accept.

His reaction is not in celebrating that's bad, it is in justifying it. And that goes back to a general knowledge that he will be admired for it - like letting a child get away with kicking their brother/sister - if you applaud them, chances are they think it's the right way to go and carry on.

The rules are in place to penalise, not to prevent. And Cardozo yes, but there was no certainty of Paraguay scoring - Ghana were 100% certain to score - this was then greatly reduced so the disadvantage was greater. I think the difference is clear.

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QuartzGooner wrote:
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:
I Hate Hleb wrote:Did anyone else get sick of the media assumption that firstly, all of Africa wanted Ghana to win (when even in their own reports they had loads of Africans that preferred other teams - especially Brasil). :roll:

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You read my mind...

Every time they came out with that nonsense about the whole of Africa supporting Ghana i was like :shock: really...
There have been civil wars and border disputes raging all over Africa for centuries, they hate each other, even within different parts of the same country...
Not to mention the North Africans seeing themselves as totally different to 'black' africa...
But,
In London, even Nigerians were supporting Ghana.
Some Nigerians, not all, not all of Africa and most certainly not everybody else on the planet...as was pretty much the running theme on ITV..

I know a few North Africans and they have no affinity to ''black'' Africa at all, and i know a lot of West Africans and their attitude to other West African countries is akin to the scots and england....

I'm sure there were a few latching on to Ghana's success as they do to which ever premier league teams are winning trophies at any given time, but on the whole i very much doubt if the whole of Africa were on the edge of their seats pissing their pants hoping that Ghana were going to conquer the world for the little guy..as much as ITV wanted to portray that scenario...

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Müller will be missed in the semi. He might be replaced by Trochowski who is pure shit (I would bring in Marin or Kroos).
Nevertheless I think the germans will beat Spain :lol:

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cusamano wrote:Müller will be missed in the semi. He might be replaced by Trochowski who is pure shit (I would bring in Marin or Kroos).
Nevertheless I think the germans will beat Spain :lol:
As with any other player in the universe, we've been linked with him :shock: :lol:

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2 ... trochowski

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Red Gunner wrote:
cusamano wrote:Müller will be missed in the semi. He might be replaced by Trochowski who is pure shit (I would bring in Marin or Kroos).
Nevertheless I think the germans will beat Spain :lol:
As with any other player in the universe, we've been linked with him :shock: :lol:

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2 ... trochowski
Trochowski is a blighter. Absolut no PL quality. No Wenger style. Can´t see that happening.

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cusamano wrote:
Red Gunner wrote:
cusamano wrote:Müller will be missed in the semi. He might be replaced by Trochowski who is pure shit (I would bring in Marin or Kroos).
Nevertheless I think the germans will beat Spain :lol:
As with any other player in the universe, we've been linked with him :shock: :lol:

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2 ... trochowski
Trochowski is a blighter. Absolut no PL quality. No Wenger style. Can´t see that happening.
Surely he can't be worse than Eduardo?

:shock: :lol:
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