THE WENGER THREAD

[VAVAVOOM 14]

Frankly the fans of the other "big" PL clubs can sing what they fucking well like, because none of them bar Man City and us have a trophy to show for their efforts this year.

Well United and Chelsea have a hell of a lot to show for the past 9 years.

[Brady's left peg]

Yup, and I'm certain he didn't bring Eduardo on either. Seriously - I got better debating skills from my time on the infants' school playground!

It just bothers me that it seems a number of folks on here have allowed this seemingly irrational hatred for the guy to utterly overwhelm everything else - and I can tell you that when out-and-out hate takes over it becomes completely irrational, and is far more destructive than any 9-year dry spell could ever be.

I'm constantly told AW should go because he either doesn't do stuff I've seen him do - or does do stuff I haven't seen him do very recently. This is what I mean by irrational.

Frankly the fans of the other "big" PL clubs can sing what they fucking well like, because none of them bar Man City and us have a trophy to show for their efforts this year.

yawn!...... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Leyton Gooner]

Who let this WUM back in?

[turricaned]

@VAVAVOOM:

Practically unlimited resources will tend to help matters there.

But my point is, why should that 9-year stretch matter so much? We have silverware, and we've had the best league performance since that period began. Sure, there's a ton of room for improvement - but that's football, innit? An extra consolation prize this year was seeing Mou come away with sweet FA after all his BS and much-heralded return from "exile".

As for the year to come, personally I have a feeling that Man U may improve but will still struggle next season, as van Gaal clears out a lot of Fergie's stalwarts in preparation for reshaping the squad. Mou's likely to have the same problem that Moyes did this season - namely his "old guard" either leaving or winding down and leaving big gaps in the cohesiveness of the squad. LFC and Everton's run this time round has been bolstered by the fact that neither were in European competition - that's not going to be the case in 2014-15. Man City will likely again be the team to beat - but their patchy away record last season almost gave the PL title to 'Pool.

There's a lot of opportunity there to be had!

@Leyton Gooner:

Was never thrown out mate - just had other (frankly better) stuff to do!

[augie]

Then maybe you should go back to doing it

[DB10GOONER]

To get back on-topic, watching the FA Cup final after the fact, I'm pretty sure that I saw a manager bearing a distinct resemblance to AW changing tactics and formation (to *shock horror* 4-4-2 no less!), spotting the opposition's defence running out of legs and using the other subs he had in reserve to run them ragged. The bugger even found Sanogo's calling as the footballing equivalent of a Scud missile (they never knew where he'd land). Haters gonna hate, but I still think a lot of the bitching is based on 2006-2013 performance rather than what we have now.

Hang on. Arsene doing the right thing once (or twice) totally negates the literally hundreds of times he didn't do the right thing over the last 9 years for you? Are you serious? The 9 year trophy drought was not down to us not being able to compete financially (as I've said on numerous occasions we had the money but Arsene spent it badly on big contracts and pay rises for poor quality players) it was down to a combination of Arsene signing and persisting with those poor quality players, in a system that is piss easy to defend against, and Arsene's lack of tactical ability.

Going to Manure with an off form, injury ravaged squad and trying to play the way we would play at home against Burnley led to that 8-2 humiliation, just as one of many examples. I haven't worked in football for 30 years but I saw our line up that day and thought "we are going to get beaten", then I saw how we were trying to play and I thought "we are going to get tonked here". Guess what? I was right. Didn't take 30 years experience or £7million a year to see it either.

As for your comment about bitching being based on our 2006-2013 performances... what exactly has changed? Did we not go to Citeh and the mousers this season, set up wrong, take the wrong tactical approach and get humiliated? Was that not this season?

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

@VAVAVOOM:

Practically unlimited resources will tend to help matters there.

But my point is, why should that 9-year stretch matter so much? We have silverware, and we've had the best league performance since that period began. Sure, there's a ton of room for improvement - but that's football, innit? An extra consolation prize this year was seeing Mou come away with sweet FA after all his BS and much-heralded return from "exile".

As for the year to come, personally I have a feeling that Man U may improve but will still struggle next season, as van Gaal clears out a lot of Fergie's stalwarts in preparation for reshaping the squad. Mou's likely to have the same problem that Moyes did this season - namely his "old guard" either leaving or winding down and leaving big gaps in the cohesiveness of the squad. LFC and Everton's run this time round has been bolstered by the fact that neither were in European competition - that's not going to be the case in 2014-15. Man City will likely again be the team to beat - but their patchy away record last season almost gave the PL title to 'Pool.

There's a lot of opportunity there to be had!

@Leyton Gooner:

Was never thrown out mate - just had other (frankly better) stuff to do!

I have to admire your energy to defend Wenger in every turn. You talk about unlimited resources all the time. Well, that is the difference between us and rest of the top clubs, they want to win trophies and all we want is better and better business. Other clubs has chosen to do all they can to WIN and they are prepared to pump more money into the club to achieve that goal. As a fan, I don't need to accept the fact that when we were on top of the world and PL winners, we chose not to focus on keep winning and strengthening more, but to develop greedy business and money making machine for couple of chosen people. We chose to sacrifice all that matters to us, the fans, the essence of sports - winning (or even trying).

Yes, the business in blooming and the club is making fuck loads of money, straight from fans pockets. Does this please you Wenger lovers? Personally, I can't give a fuck about that as I haven't seen any of that money and we haven't won fuck all for years (and yes, one FA Cup doesn't justify anything).

Best league performance in nine years?????? Are you serious? How is this year fourth place any better than previous, or all those past years fourth places? These two last fourth places we had to fight to the very end to achieve that. Heavy defeats to basically all of the top teams and becoming a laughing stock of football world... yes really, a success to be proud of.

But, Wenger has been given new three year deal and there is nothing we can do about it. Does he continue to work his old ways which means that this club isn't going forwards, or does he wake up and start to use that financial power we have now, does he wake up and understand that his tactical approach is ancient and needs to be totally overviewed...? Questions, questions...

[begeegs]

As for the year to come, personally I have a feeling that Man U may improve but will still struggle next season, as van Gaal clears out a lot of Fergie's stalwarts in preparation for reshaping the squad. Mou's likely to have the same problem that Moyes did this season - namely his "old guard" either leaving or winding down and leaving big gaps in the cohesiveness of the squad. LFC and Everton's run this time round has been bolstered by the fact that neither were in European competition - that's not going to be the case in 2014-15. Man City will likely again be the team to beat - but their patchy away record last season almost gave the PL title to 'Pool.

There's a lot of opportunity there to be had!

I agree with this. I think that CIty look to be favourites again. Chelsea are going to have to bed in newer players. Even Costa may struggle initially. Liverpool are going to be in the CL, so a newer squad that has to play more times per week. They could struggle. Totts are Totts - they probably will improve, but not enough to break into the top 4. Everton will be missing Lukaku (who I think that we should buy) who was a stalwart in their lineup. ManU will improve as well, but will now have to bed in new players and a new manager. I think that we will be a lock for Top 4 with average signings, but I do expect better next year.

And I do hope that Wenger and Bould can bed in a deep lying compact 4-4-2 next year.

[Gunner Rob]

Who let this WUM back in?

Turricaned appears to be a WUM who appears on various internet forums - type his name into Google and you can see which ones. Probably best to ignore him.

[piresistible]

@VAVAVOOM:

Practically unlimited resources will tend to help matters there.

But my point is, why should that 9-year stretch matter so much? We have silverware, and we've had the best league performance since that period began. Sure, there's a ton of room for improvement - but that's football, innit? An extra consolation prize this year was seeing Mou come away with sweet FA after all his BS and much-heralded return from "exile".

As for the year to come, personally I have a feeling that Man U may improve but will still struggle next season, as van Gaal clears out a lot of Fergie's stalwarts in preparation for reshaping the squad. Mou's likely to have the same problem that Moyes did this season - namely his "old guard" either leaving or winding down and leaving big gaps in the cohesiveness of the squad. LFC and Everton's run this time round has been bolstered by the fact that neither were in European competition - that's not going to be the case in 2014-15. Man City will likely again be the team to beat - but their patchy away record last season almost gave the PL title to 'Pool.

There's a lot of opportunity there to be had!

@Leyton Gooner:

Was never thrown out mate - just had other (frankly better) stuff to do!

I have to admire your energy to defend Wenger in every turn. You talk about unlimited resources all the time. Well, that is the difference between us and rest of the top clubs, they want to win trophies and all we want is better and better business. Other clubs has chosen to do all they can to WIN and they are prepared to pump more money into the club to achieve that goal. As a fan, I don't need to accept the fact that when we were on top of the world and PL winners, we chose not to focus on keep winning and strengthening more, but to develop greedy business and money making machine for couple of chosen people. We chose to sacrifice all that matters to us, the fans, the essence of sports - winning (or even trying).

Yes, the business in blooming and the club is making fuck loads of money, straight from fans pockets. Does this please you Wenger lovers? Personally, I can't give a fuck about that as I haven't seen any of that money and we haven't won fuck all for years (and yes, one FA Cup doesn't justify anything).

Best league performance in nine years?????? Are you serious? How is this year fourth place any better than previous, or all those past years fourth places? These two last fourth places we had to fight to the very end to achieve that. Heavy defeats to basically all of the top teams and becoming a laughing stock of football world... yes really, a success to be proud of.

But, Wenger has been given new three year deal and there is nothing we can do about it. Does he continue to work his old ways which means that this club isn't going forwards, or does he wake up and start to use that financial power we have now, does he wake up and understand that his tactical approach is ancient and needs to be totally overviewed...? Questions, questions...

could you please tell us how the greedy “bastards” have taken money out of the club?

[augie]

Who let this WUM back in?

Turricaned appears to be a WUM who appears on various internet forums - type his name into Google and you can see which ones. Probably best to ignore him.

And yet there are some on here who should know better, that take the bait every single time - please do not feed the troll

[the playing mantis]

Who let this WUM back in?

Turricaned appears to be a WUM who appears on various internet forums - type his name into Google and you can see which ones. Probably best to ignore him.

And yet there are some on here who should know better, that take the bait every single time - please do not feed the troll

yep and hes been caught out and completely exposed, especially with his lack of knowledge on our recent past.

please stop feeding the troll and in the end he will wum off again.

[turricaned]

For one thing, if I was going to go around trolling internet forums, I like to think I'd be smart enough to use a different pseudonym/handle for each one. I'm on a few forums because I have quite a few interests... Jeez - some of you have spent so long hating AW that you've ended up more paranoid than bleddy Stalin!

[OneBardGooner]

Then maybe you should go back to doing it

[OneBardGooner]

For one thing, if I was going to go around trolling internet forums, I like to think I'd be smart enough to use a different pseudonym/handle for each one. I'm on a few forums because I have quite a few interests... Jeez - some of you have spent so long hating AW that you've ended up more paranoid than bleddy Stalin!

Who dat??

Joseph's Welsh Cousin Is It Now?