THE WENGER THREAD

[SydneyGooner]

The man is a c*nt. End of

Indeed.

I can't see how I can continue to watch us with his parasitic presence in charge for the next three years.

[BournemouthRED]

serious question

what is wenger actually good at?

shit at transfers (suarez for example)
awful at completing a team (always 3 players away from being title challengers)
Big game serial loser (see any away game that meant anything for the past 9 years)
tactically inept (see above, playing the same shit formation whatever the opposition. No plan B, Awful subs etc)

So?......

I don't usually stick up for Wenger, but come on. He is obviously a good manager, just not a great one. He is an excellent technical coach and I think that it is more than obvious now that he worked within a limited budget with the move - he just happened to believe (wrongly) in a section of youths - a couple did turn out to be excellent and a bunch didn't.

I know that many don't agree with his decisions or lack of them, but that is the nature of sport and the 24 hour monster that feeds our perceptions. However, to actually wonder what he is good at is stretching it a lot.

He is very very good at developing players in a technical capacity. I know that not everyone is going to excel and that there are plenty of failures, however, you could say that about any club. Not every player has this burning desire to be the best - lets take a look at Lord Bendtner - He has all the physical characteristics to be a very good target man, but unfortunately, seems to view football as a job and not a passion like some, so he won't ever get to that point - a waste. On the other hand, there is Fabregas. Wenger bought him and started playing him in the Premiership at 17 years old - the kid ended up being amazing before f*cking off because we didn't have the money to surround him with quality. Then you look at Denilson, who looked very promising, but it turned out, didn't have any desire to compete. So it's a mixed bag, but not because Wenger was crap at it, but because taking a gamble on any footballer is a gamble.

Yeah can't really disagree with all that mate, It's sometimes hard to see what he does well as all we ever talk / hear about are his short comings.

[BournemouthRED]

Right now he's probably trying to get in that world class striker we so desperately need or....

[Sam59]

you just put me off my mid morning tea and biccie with that photo of the Tightwad in budgie smugglers.

[Theoperator]

serious question

what is wenger actually good at?

shit at transfers (suarez for example)
awful at completing a team (always 3 players away from being title challengers)
Big game serial loser (see any away game that meant anything for the past 9 years)
tactically inept (see above, playing the same shit formation whatever the opposition. No plan B, Awful subs etc)

So?......

I don't usually stick up for Wenger, but come on. He is obviously a good manager, just not a great one. He is an excellent technical coach and I think that it is more than obvious now that he worked within a limited budget with the move - he just happened to believe (wrongly) in a section of youths - a couple did turn out to be excellent and a bunch didn't.

I know that many don't agree with his decisions or lack of them, but that is the nature of sport and the 24 hour monster that feeds our perceptions. However, to actually wonder what he is good at is stretching it a lot.

He is very very good at developing players in a technical capacity. I know that not everyone is going to excel and that there are plenty of failures, however, you could say that about any club. Not every player has this burning desire to be the best - lets take a look at Lord Bendtner - He has all the physical characteristics to be a very good target man, but unfortunately, seems to view football as a job and not a passion like some, so he won't ever get to that point - a waste. On the other hand, there is Fabregas. Wenger bought him and started playing him in the Premiership at 17 years old - the kid ended up being amazing before f*cking off because we didn't have the money to surround him with quality. Then you look at Denilson, who looked very promising, but it turned out, didn't have any desire to compete. So it's a mixed bag, but not because Wenger was crap at it, but because taking a gamble on any footballer is a gamble.

Yeah can't really disagree with all that mate, It's sometimes hard to see what he does well as all we ever talk / hear about are his short comings.

I agree with that assessment too- think people just posting Wenger out or in must be trolls

Re the media thing- On the one hand he should be scouring the world for talent but on the other he is networking over there in both senses of the word. This is something I have wondered about with him for years- basically there isnt the links with other clubs as he hasnt been working with other clubs, in other words dont be surprised if the Scum end up with one or two Saints talents due to Pochetino, but the same links obviously isnt there for us. Obviously thats no excuse at all for lack of signings etc etc etc. but theres more chance of getting someone if the close links are there maybe

Hope that makes sense

Maybe the media earnings should be given to the club though, but sadly theres little chance of that.

[LaughingGooner]

I think it is negligence on Wenger's part going off to the World Cup to work in the media. We have just won the FA Cup, the lift the whole club needed. Now is the time to kick on, strike early in the market, build on the fans excitement and joy from the cup win (and sell those STs!) and bring in the players needed to strengthen where we are lacking.

Could he not have gone one major tournament without going to commentate, and concentrate on the job he is paid £8 million pa for? Obviously not.

It may be a mistake and even harsh to cast judgement now, but it is hard not to going off past form. It is all too predictable, Wenger goes on holiday after the World Cup, then pre-season is upon us and then the CL play off, and then we are sat on the edge of our sofas on August 31st again having to console ourselves with Natalie Sawyers assets while we secure none of our own!

Just for once, he could have turned down the media work, and stayed to focus on Arsenal.

Yep, he should have stayed in a darkened room at his home and really, really concentrated on who to bring in.....

As opposed to being in country hosting the most important football tournament, in the presence of the best players and their agents....

FFS, you can criticise Wenger for a lot of things, but going to Brazil is not one of them.

[Ikechukwu1]

Hi. Long time reader first time poster. I'm Arsenal fan for over 25 years and this is the most unhappy I have ever been.
I really am sick of the lies and of Wenger's greed. His lies are too many but among his various crimes is his utter contempt for supporters. The way he talks as if HE is doing US a favour by stealing £8m a year (!) "I agreed to stay here and gave my word". No mate sorry don't want you here. There is his 'socialism' about wages and his moaning about how we are on the edge of a football financial crisis....yet he happily negotiates hardball higher wages for himself! His tactical acumen is a total joke, and he is too arrogant to delegate to anyone. The 6-0 at Chelsea was almost as shocking as the 8-2, and the 5-1 at Anfield. The FA cup has NOT swayed me, not when Wenger said I quotw "When you go to sign players nobody asks you how you did in the FA cup. They want to know if you can win the league or the CL".
Wenger said that!
Could go on but not much point. This Fabregas business is another dark, dark chapter. Why even bother having the clause in there if it won't be used? I don't buy this BS from many of our fans. Cesc pisses all over Cazorla (who scores against rubbish), Ozil, Arteta (lol you serious?). He should be signed simple. AW too arrogant though. And as usual, our soppy ridiculous fans will blame Cesc when WENGER is the one to blame. It's the same with RVP: yeah RVP is a nob but did he sell himself to Man U? If Liverpool were able to keep Suarez without CL footie what is the excuse for Arsenal becoming Citeh/Chelsea's development academy? The ST prices, the overpaid dross etc. It does not feel like my club anymore and as for Wenger, I've never disliked or been more indifferent to any Arsenal manager. EVER.

anyways. Hi!

[Theoperator]

Hi. Long time reader first time poster. I'm Arsenal fan for over 25 years and this is the most unhappy I have ever been.
I really am sick of the lies and of Wenger's greed. His lies are too many but among his various crimes is his utter contempt for supporters. The way he talks as if HE is doing US a favour by stealing £8m a year (!) "I agreed to stay here and gave my word". No mate sorry don't want you here. There is his 'socialism' about wages and his moaning about how we are on the edge of a football financial crisis....yet he happily negotiates hardball higher wages for himself! His tactical acumen is a total joke, and he is too arrogant to delegate to anyone. The 6-0 at Chelsea was almost as shocking as the 8-2, and the 5-1 at Anfield. The FA cup has NOT swayed me, not when Wenger said I quotw "When you go to sign players nobody asks you how you did in the FA cup. They want to know if you can win the league or the CL".
Wenger said that!
Could go on but not much point. This Fabregas business is another dark, dark chapter. Why even bother having the clause in there if it won't be used? I don't buy this BS from many of our fans. Cesc pisses all over Cazorla (who scores against rubbish), Ozil, Arteta (lol you serious?). He should be signed simple. AW too arrogant though. And as usual, our soppy ridiculous fans will blame Cesc when WENGER is the one to blame. It's the same with RVP: yeah RVP is a nob but did he sell himself to Man U? If Liverpool were able to keep Suarez without CL footie what is the excuse for Arsenal becoming Citeh/Chelsea's development academy? The ST prices, the overpaid dross etc. It does not feel like my club anymore and as for Wenger, I've never disliked or been more indifferent to any Arsenal manager. EVER.

anyways. Hi!

Hi mate and welcome, sorry there is just no way you will fit in here, youre far too happy with the situation, and your assessment is much too positive

[SteveO 35]

I'd just like to say that as of 6th June 2014, 1428 hrs GMT, I am still 100% for

[Leyton Gooner]

Only 1089 more days

[LaughingGooner]

Hi. Long time reader first time poster. I'm Arsenal fan for over 25 years and this is the most unhappy I have ever been.
I really am sick of the lies and of Wenger's greed. His lies are too many but among his various crimes is his utter contempt for supporters. The way he talks as if HE is doing US a favour by stealing £8m a year (!) "I agreed to stay here and gave my word". No mate sorry don't want you here. There is his 'socialism' about wages and his moaning about how we are on the edge of a football financial crisis....yet he happily negotiates hardball higher wages for himself! His tactical acumen is a total joke, and he is too arrogant to delegate to anyone. The 6-0 at Chelsea was almost as shocking as the 8-2, and the 5-1 at Anfield. The FA cup has NOT swayed me, not when Wenger said I quotw "When you go to sign players nobody asks you how you did in the FA cup. They want to know if you can win the league or the CL".
Wenger said that!
Could go on but not much point. This Fabregas business is another dark, dark chapter. Why even bother having the clause in there if it won't be used? I don't buy this BS from many of our fans. Cesc pisses all over Cazorla (who scores against rubbish), Ozil, Arteta (lol you serious?). He should be signed simple. AW too arrogant though. And as usual, our soppy ridiculous fans will blame Cesc when WENGER is the one to blame. It's the same with RVP: yeah RVP is a nob but did he sell himself to Man U? If Liverpool were able to keep Suarez without CL footie what is the excuse for Arsenal becoming Citeh/Chelsea's development academy? The ST prices, the overpaid dross etc. It does not feel like my club anymore and as for Wenger, I've never disliked or been more indifferent to any Arsenal manager. EVER.

anyways. Hi!

The clause was there, just in case we needed his services in the event of him leaving Barca.
He's leaving Barca, but we don't need him.
So we don't need to invoke the clause.
Is pretty simple to me.
Or shall we use the issue just to slag off Wenger, without any reason to your argument??

[DB10GOONER]

I think it is negligence on Wenger's part going off to the World Cup to work in the media. We have just won the FA Cup, the lift the whole club needed. Now is the time to kick on, strike early in the market, build on the fans excitement and joy from the cup win (and sell those STs!) and bring in the players needed to strengthen where we are lacking.

Could he not have gone one major tournament without going to commentate, and concentrate on the job he is paid £8 million pa for? Obviously not.

It may be a mistake and even harsh to cast judgement now, but it is hard not to going off past form. It is all too predictable, Wenger goes on holiday after the World Cup, then pre-season is upon us and then the CL play off, and then we are sat on the edge of our sofas on August 31st again having to console ourselves with Natalie Sawyers assets while we secure none of our own!

Just for once, he could have turned down the media work, and stayed to focus on Arsenal.

Yep, he should have stayed in a darkened room at his home and really, really concentrated on who to bring in.....

As opposed to being in country hosting the most important football tournament, in the presence of the best players and their agents....

FFS, you can criticise Wenger for a lot of things, but going to Brazil is not one of them.

Jesus. How indoctrinated are you? Do you honestly think for one single minute that Wenger is going to be out there negotiating with "the best players"?

He won't be. He will come back after the world cup and scrape together the chaff no one else wanted from the players that weren't good enough to go to the world cup. So I agree with other posters that he should be back here now trying to get the better players from the list of non-world cup attendees rather than scruffing around on the last day of the window for the absolute dregs.

We pay him £7million or £8million a year. His job is with us. He should put us way before a beano to the WC.

[DB10GOONER]

Hi. Long time reader first time poster. I'm Arsenal fan for over 25 years and this is the most unhappy I have ever been.
I really am sick of the lies and of Wenger's greed. His lies are too many but among his various crimes is his utter contempt for supporters. The way he talks as if HE is doing US a favour by stealing £8m a year (!) "I agreed to stay here and gave my word". No mate sorry don't want you here. There is his 'socialism' about wages and his moaning about how we are on the edge of a football financial crisis....yet he happily negotiates hardball higher wages for himself! His tactical acumen is a total joke, and he is too arrogant to delegate to anyone. The 6-0 at Chelsea was almost as shocking as the 8-2, and the 5-1 at Anfield. The FA cup has NOT swayed me, not when Wenger said I quotw "When you go to sign players nobody asks you how you did in the FA cup. They want to know if you can win the league or the CL".
Wenger said that!
Could go on but not much point. This Fabregas business is another dark, dark chapter. Why even bother having the clause in there if it won't be used? I don't buy this BS from many of our fans. Cesc pisses all over Cazorla (who scores against rubbish), Ozil, Arteta (lol you serious?). He should be signed simple. AW too arrogant though. And as usual, our soppy ridiculous fans will blame Cesc when WENGER is the one to blame. It's the same with RVP: yeah RVP is a nob but did he sell himself to Man U? If Liverpool were able to keep Suarez without CL footie what is the excuse for Arsenal becoming Citeh/Chelsea's development academy? The ST prices, the overpaid dross etc. It does not feel like my club anymore and as for Wenger, I've never disliked or been more indifferent to any Arsenal manager. EVER.

anyways. Hi!

The clause was there, just in case we needed his services in the event of him leaving Barca.
He's leaving Barca, but we don't need him.
So we don't need to invoke the clause.
Is pretty simple to me.
Or shall we use the issue just to slag off Wenger, without any reason to your argument??

Have you read what you wrote there?! Here's a thing; Do you recall how we were storming the PL earlier this season? Do you recall the main reason? Ramsey? Do you recall Ramsey getting injured and us not having the proven quality to replace him? Do you honestly think we will go this season without key injuries? Do you not think it would be advisable to have top players in the squad to allow for injury or suspensions or drop in form or fatigue? Seriously?

[LaughingGooner]

Hi. Long time reader first time poster. I'm Arsenal fan for over 25 years and this is the most unhappy I have ever been.
I really am sick of the lies and of Wenger's greed. His lies are too many but among his various crimes is his utter contempt for supporters. The way he talks as if HE is doing US a favour by stealing £8m a year (!) "I agreed to stay here and gave my word". No mate sorry don't want you here. There is his 'socialism' about wages and his moaning about how we are on the edge of a football financial crisis....yet he happily negotiates hardball higher wages for himself! His tactical acumen is a total joke, and he is too arrogant to delegate to anyone. The 6-0 at Chelsea was almost as shocking as the 8-2, and the 5-1 at Anfield. The FA cup has NOT swayed me, not when Wenger said I quotw "When you go to sign players nobody asks you how you did in the FA cup. They want to know if you can win the league or the CL".
Wenger said that!
Could go on but not much point. This Fabregas business is another dark, dark chapter. Why even bother having the clause in there if it won't be used? I don't buy this BS from many of our fans. Cesc pisses all over Cazorla (who scores against rubbish), Ozil, Arteta (lol you serious?). He should be signed simple. AW too arrogant though. And as usual, our soppy ridiculous fans will blame Cesc when WENGER is the one to blame. It's the same with RVP: yeah RVP is a nob but did he sell himself to Man U? If Liverpool were able to keep Suarez without CL footie what is the excuse for Arsenal becoming Citeh/Chelsea's development academy? The ST prices, the overpaid dross etc. It does not feel like my club anymore and as for Wenger, I've never disliked or been more indifferent to any Arsenal manager. EVER.

anyways. Hi!

The clause was there, just in case we needed his services in the event of him leaving Barca.
He's leaving Barca, but we don't need him.
So we don't need to invoke the clause.
Is pretty simple to me.
Or shall we use the issue just to slag off Wenger, without any reason to your argument??

Have you read what you wrote there?! Here's a thing; Do you recall how we were storming the PL earlier this season? Do you recall the main reason? Ramsey? Do you recall Ramsey getting injured and us not having the proven quality to replace him? Do you honestly think we will go this season without key injuries? Do you not think it would be advisable to have top players in the squad to allow for injury or suspensions or drop in form or fatigue? Seriously?

Do you honestly think Fabregas would be happy to come as understudy to the likes of Ozil and Ramsay??
No, I dont think so.....lol

[Ikechukwu1]

Hi. Long time reader first time poster. I'm Arsenal fan for over 25 years and this is the most unhappy I have ever been.
I really am sick of the lies and of Wenger's greed. His lies are too many but among his various crimes is his utter contempt for supporters. The way he talks as if HE is doing US a favour by stealing £8m a year (!) "I agreed to stay here and gave my word". No mate sorry don't want you here. There is his 'socialism' about wages and his moaning about how we are on the edge of a football financial crisis....yet he happily negotiates hardball higher wages for himself! His tactical acumen is a total joke, and he is too arrogant to delegate to anyone. The 6-0 at Chelsea was almost as shocking as the 8-2, and the 5-1 at Anfield. The FA cup has NOT swayed me, not when Wenger said I quotw "When you go to sign players nobody asks you how you did in the FA cup. They want to know if you can win the league or the CL".
Wenger said that!
Could go on but not much point. This Fabregas business is another dark, dark chapter. Why even bother having the clause in there if it won't be used? I don't buy this BS from many of our fans. Cesc pisses all over Cazorla (who scores against rubbish), Ozil, Arteta (lol you serious?). He should be signed simple. AW too arrogant though. And as usual, our soppy ridiculous fans will blame Cesc when WENGER is the one to blame. It's the same with RVP: yeah RVP is a nob but did he sell himself to Man U? If Liverpool were able to keep Suarez without CL footie what is the excuse for Arsenal becoming Citeh/Chelsea's development academy? The ST prices, the overpaid dross etc. It does not feel like my club anymore and as for Wenger, I've never disliked or been more indifferent to any Arsenal manager. EVER.

anyways. Hi!

The clause was there, just in case we needed his services in the event of him leaving Barca.
He's leaving Barca, but we don't need him.
So we don't need to invoke the clause.
Is pretty simple to me.
Or shall we use the issue just to slag off Wenger, without any reason to your argument??

Wow you AKBs are something special huh? So let me just get this right again:
Cesc Fabregas, World champion, European champion, La Liga winner, Spanish Cup winner, European supercup winner, a former PFA footballer of the Year nominee, isn't good enough for Arsenal.
Right.

But he is good enough for Chelsea (the team that destroyed us 6-0). He is good enough for Mourinho, who has a cv Wenger couldn't achieve on Championship Manager.

Oh but I forgot. Wenger won the FA Cup and besides. We don't need Cesc so better to let Chelsea have him! Hopefully Arsene can spend his time in Brazil negotiating new fancy deals for Arteta, Sanogo, Giroud, those 2 youngster rejects from PSG and that free transfer from Bastia.

SUPER!