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nut flush gooner wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:What was so funny after the victorious NO campaign, the Remainers immediately blamed IGNORANCE and Low Class chavs of the NO voters...
Absolutely rich coming from a bunch of overly paid Old Etonians, farmers, bankers, land owners who would rather suck up to Merkel with guaranteed freebies, I mean like Mr Fox stated, the Remainers wanted subsidies so they could sit on their arses with free cash...
And let's face it when Remainistas Eddie Izzard and Communist Peter Tatchell led that poorly supported march in Whitehall well that just gives you a clue of where TRUE ignorance is based...Thank god for that Polish gentleman who had a fetish for Pink Berets
What is signed and sealed by the majority, is Brexit means Brexit and it will go through...
When you lose, just accept the fact that you have lost and stop crying about it, it's so unbritish, you had your chance and you lost, simple as!....

BTW we are still waiting for storm and tempest along with swarms of locusts, of course you can always go back to, "well it is far too early", any goon can say that, but I really feel that some Remainers have actually lost their British balls of standing up and being counted and actually saying do you know what, I think I will go along with the majority and support my country, but no you have become so European and dependent on a bunch of fraudsters that have fucked PIIGS
Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain, open your eyes and see how they have fared....

Oh and you have to really do better than get Obama to tell the British what to do, and say "hey you guys will go to the back of the queue"...
If that's the case Obama you can take KFC, MACDONALDS, ASDA part of Walmart, Coca Cola and all that jazz back with you!
Actually no ones listens to the US, ask Putin lol!

So 48% of the population are "Old Etonians, farmers, bankers, land owners" really? Or perhaps people who could make a measured decision that wasn't predominantly immigration biased ?

48% of British people lost as a result of the referendum? Again I beg to differ, if it turn's out to be the wrong decision a lot more than 48% will lose. An awful lot of Brexiteers, will also lose big time. So why does it have to come down to such a pathetic analogy of what Brexit really means if you voted remain. It tickles me this.

I haven't got a clue what you are talking about with regards to the "storm", but already GDP forecasts for next year have been revised downwards to 1%(from 2% previously) by the OECD, and that's only as we start to enact Article 50. PIGS as you refer to them all have structural deficit problems which where caused by government spending and the bail out of banks (particularly in Ireland), it has nothing to do with the EU per se. Indeed Ireland through its favourable taxation policy has recovered quite well, as has Spain and Portugal in recent years.

As for your last paragraph, it really isn't anything more than a rant is it. I cannot fathom anything constructive out of it.

The old chestnut immigration rears its head when you need to support your cause!
The Irish Economy having nothing to do with the EU, then why did they not only interfere but enforce them to take more tax from a large American Corporation? Which could affect their employment numbers
As for a rant, that cannot be further from the truth...

Immigration has nothing to do with supporting my cause. But it is the reason that large swathes of the 52% voted leave and therefore relevant to the debate.

You quoted the EU as being responsible for causing the economic woes of Ireland, don't change or twist the subject. That is factually incorrect. Ireland like many other countries did not keep a lid on it's public spending (plus its Banks imploded) and that is what cause the need for a bailout.

The situation with the EU, Apple and Ireland is not even relevant to the debate. The Irish Finance Ministry have gone on record anyway as saying that they will appeal the EU ruling. Yes there is no doubt the EU are way out of line, but Ireland as I said before have been very generous to large corporations over the last few years. That is a matter for the Irish government, if they think taking this line allows the creation of thousands of well paid skilled jobs would you honestly blame them.

nut flush gooner wrote:

Red Snapper wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:Lads, if you cannot debate, or even just put your point of view across, without qualifying it with name calling or an insult for the other person, then you just lose the argument.

RE the bankers: I'm sorry but anyone that thinks the majority of bankers are not corrupt is being a tad naive. The evidence is there in every economy and in every era. And it is a majority - no system could support such levels of extended corruption without a huge buy-in from those involved, particularly at senior levels.

Here's just one example;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 63711.html

Lose the argument, because you name call someone for being ignorant?

I never said the bankers where saints, but you cannot keep quiet when all the taxes are rolling in and then stick the knife in when corruption has been unearthed. That my friend is called being fickle, it was common knowledge the bankers where greedy long before the financial crisis. I worked in the middle of it all for many years and could see the excessive risk taking.

That's the problem with spellcheck; it never picks up that the wrong word is used.

Spellcheck also doesn't pick up a fundamentally flawed argument, like you have presented on this thread. Or have you given up trying to debate?

nut flush gooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:Lads, if you cannot debate, or even just put your point of view across, without qualifying it with name calling or an insult for the other person, then you just lose the argument.

RE the bankers: I'm sorry but anyone that thinks the majority of bankers are not corrupt is being a tad naive. The evidence is there in every economy and in every era. And it is a majority - no system could support such levels of extended corruption without a huge buy-in from those involved, particularly at senior levels.

Here's just one example;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 63711.html

Lose the argument, because you name call someone for being ignorant?

I never said the bankers where saints, but you cannot keep quiet when all the taxes are rolling in and then stick the knife in when corruption has been unearthed. That my friend is called being fickle, it was common knowledge the bankers where greedy long before the financial crisis. I worked in the middle of it all for many years and could see the excessive risk taking.

"Excessive risk taking"? Spoken like a banker! I'm talking about flat-out corruption, theft, and lying. Risk taking is the least of their "crimes".

And who kept quiet? Not me. Why would I? I saw no benefit from "the taxes rolling in". I saw an economy that cost me more to live in year after year, that took more tax and levies from my wage with no corresponding improvement in hospitals or public services. I can stick the knife into these thieving bastards as much as I like. Always have, always will. In my career and personally I have had numerous dealings with bankers, developers and lawyers and all three professions are populated by corrupt, dishonest, thieving bastards to varying degrees, the majority being absolute vermin.

Ok I think it's difficult to compare what happened in Ireland with the UK.My references where to banking in the UK. Your property bubble burst, off the back of wreckless lending and a few banks going under, I remember Anglo Irish Bank and the Bank of Ireland having severe difficulties. So I guess with the suffering the property downturn caused it's hard for me to comment against anything you have said.

In the noughties the tax take from the square mile alone paid for the whole of the UK education budget. I am not referring to the people keeping quiet, it's the politicians who then like everyone else jumped on the bankers backs after everything unravelled. I am not surprised you have that opinion of the three professions based on your experiences, and I despite what I have said think the bankers have a lot to answer for. The general response from most people is to refer to "greedy bankers", and you have put together a constructive reasoning for not liking them. Shame there isn't much else common sense on this thread.

nut flush gooner wrote:

A11M11 wrote:I had feeling that you would pick on the Aussie comments when I read it back but then I was pushed for time as I was watching a Catalonian fiesta and I thought I would leave it hanging to how long it took to get a bite. If you remembered previous comments you would know my immigration stance so the race attempt won't wash.
Incidentally the local community here very much appreciate the tourist trade. As did I when I ran my own business prior to retirement 2 years ago.

Bloody hell, it feels like me against the rest of the world on here but I can handle it. As I can handle banter, but seriously was that banter?

Oh dear.

DB10GOONER wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:What was so funny after the victorious NO campaign, the Remainers immediately blamed IGNORANCE and Low Class chavs of the NO voters...
Absolutely rich coming from a bunch of overly paid Old Etonians, farmers, bankers, land owners who would rather suck up to Merkel with guaranteed freebies, I mean like Mr Fox stated, the Remainers wanted subsidies so they could sit on their arses with free cash...
And let's face it when Remainistas Eddie Izzard and Communist Peter Tatchell led that poorly supported march in Whitehall well that just gives you a clue of where TRUE ignorance is based...Thank god for that Polish gentleman who had a fetish for Pink Berets
What is signed and sealed by the majority, is Brexit means Brexit and it will go through...
When you lose, just accept the fact that you have lost and stop crying about it, it's so unbritish, you had your chance and you lost, simple as!....

BTW we are still waiting for storm and tempest along with swarms of locusts, of course you can always go back to, "well it is far too early", any goon can say that, but I really feel that some Remainers have actually lost their British balls of standing up and being counted and actually saying do you know what, I think I will go along with the majority and support my country, but no you have become so European and dependent on a bunch of fraudsters that have fucked PIIGS
Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain, open your eyes and see how they have fared....

Oh and you have to really do better than get Obama to tell the British what to do, and say "hey you guys will go to the back of the queue"...
If that's the case Obama you can take KFC, MACDONALDS, ASDA part of Walmart, Coca Cola and all that jazz back with you!
Actually no ones listens to the US, ask Putin lol!

So 48% of the population are "Old Etonians, farmers, bankers, land owners" really? Or perhaps people who could make a measured decision that wasn't predominantly immigration biased ?

48% of British people lost as a result of the referendum? Again I beg to differ, if it turn's out to be the wrong decision a lot more than 48% will lose. An awful lot of Brexiteers, will also lose big time. So why does it have to come down to such a pathetic analogy of what Brexit really means if you voted remain. It tickles me this.

I haven't got a clue what you are talking about with regards to the "storm", but already GDP forecasts for next year have been revised downwards to 1%(from 2% previously) by the OECD, and that's only as we start to enact Article 50. PIGS as you refer to them all have structural deficit problems which where caused by government spending and the bail out of banks (particularly in Ireland), it has nothing to do with the EU per se. Indeed Ireland through its favourable taxation policy has recovered quite well, as has Spain and Portugal in recent years.

As for your last paragraph, it really isn't anything more than a rant is it. I cannot fathom anything constructive out of it.

The old chestnut immigration rears its head when you need to support your cause!
The Irish Economy having nothing to do with the EU, then why did they not only interfere but enforce them to take more tax from a large American Corporation? Which could affect their employment numbers
As for a rant, that cannot be further from the truth...

Immigration has nothing to do with supporting my cause. But it is the reason that large swathes of the 52% voted leave and therefore relevant to the debate.

You quoted the EU as being responsible for causing the economic woes of Ireland, don't change or twist the subject. That is factually incorrect. Ireland like many other countries did not keep a lid on it's public spending (plus its Banks imploded) and that is what cause the need for a bailout.

The situation with the EU, Apple and Ireland is not even relevant to the debate. The Irish Finance Ministry have gone on record anyway as saying that they will appeal the EU ruling. Yes there is no doubt the EU are way out of line, but Ireland as I said before have been very generous to large corporations over the last few years. That is a matter for the Irish government, if they think taking this line allows the creation of thousands of well paid skilled jobs would you honestly blame them.

I just want to clarify one point there NFG. Public spending was not responsible for the Irish economy going bang. What caused the collapse here was the banks extending ludicrous levels of credit to people in "transient" employment like factory workers and shop assistants for mortgages on mini-mansions that they then could not repay once that relatively short-termed factory employment ceased. The builders kept building houses, the developers kept pushing those houses and the banks kept bankrolling the ever expanding housing credit bubble until it finally and predictably (given our limited population numbers) went bang and the economy collapsed. Private Sector greed, corruption and bare-faced thievery were at the heart of the collapse. Public sector (and some Private Sector) economists were warning of a collapse for years before it happened. But the Government and the bankers just kept on rolling until it all went to shit. And then to compound their errors, greed and corruption, that same Government hocked the country to bail out the corrupt dishonest incompetent bankers!

The myth that public spending brought down the Irish economy has been thoroughly discounted in report after report and at tribunal level. That myth was circulated by the banks, the corrupt government and IBEC to avoid lowering confidence for private sector investment in the country - basically, it was; if in doubt blame the public sector.

Now, tbh the Public Sector was not entirely blameless either. There was waste in that sector, but no more waste than in any small economy with high reliance on social services "topping up". Certainly no where near enough waste to bring the economy down.

nut flush gooner wrote:

DB10GOONER wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:

nut flush gooner wrote:
So 48% of the population are "Old Etonians, farmers, bankers, land owners" really? Or perhaps people who could make a measured decision that wasn't predominantly immigration biased ?

48% of British people lost as a result of the referendum? Again I beg to differ, if it turn's out to be the wrong decision a lot more than 48% will lose. An awful lot of Brexiteers, will also lose big time. So why does it have to come down to such a pathetic analogy of what Brexit really means if you voted remain. It tickles me this.

I haven't got a clue what you are talking about with regards to the "storm", but already GDP forecasts for next year have been revised downwards to 1%(from 2% previously) by the OECD, and that's only as we start to enact Article 50. PIGS as you refer to them all have structural deficit problems which where caused by government spending and the bail out of banks (particularly in Ireland), it has nothing to do with the EU per se. Indeed Ireland through its favourable taxation policy has recovered quite well, as has Spain and Portugal in recent years.

As for your last paragraph, it really isn't anything more than a rant is it. I cannot fathom anything constructive out of it.

The old chestnut immigration rears its head when you need to support your cause!
The Irish Economy having nothing to do with the EU, then why did they not only interfere but enforce them to take more tax from a large American Corporation? Which could affect their employment numbers
As for a rant, that cannot be further from the truth...

Immigration has nothing to do with supporting my cause. But it is the reason that large swathes of the 52% voted leave and therefore relevant to the debate.

You quoted the EU as being responsible for causing the economic woes of Ireland, don't change or twist the subject. That is factually incorrect. Ireland like many other countries did not keep a lid on it's public spending (plus its Banks imploded) and that is what cause the need for a bailout.

The situation with the EU, Apple and Ireland is not even relevant to the debate. The Irish Finance Ministry have gone on record anyway as saying that they will appeal the EU ruling. Yes there is no doubt the EU are way out of line, but Ireland as I said before have been very generous to large corporations over the last few years. That is a matter for the Irish government, if they think taking this line allows the creation of thousands of well paid skilled jobs would you honestly blame them.

I just want to clarify one point there NFG. Public spending was not responsible for the Irish economy going bang. What caused the collapse here was the banks extending ludicrous levels of credit to people in "transient" employment like factory workers and shop assistants for mortgages on mini-mansions that they then could not repay once that relatively short-termed factory employment ceased. The builders kept building houses, the developers kept pushing those houses and the banks kept bankrolling the ever expanding housing credit bubble until it finally and predictably (given our limited population numbers) went bang and the economy collapsed. Private Sector greed, corruption and bare-faced thievery were at the heart of the collapse. Public sector (and some Private Sector) economists were warning of a collapse for years before it happened. But the Government and the bankers just kept on rolling until it all went to shit. And then to compound their errors, greed and corruption, that same Government hocked the country to bail out the corrupt dishonest incompetent bankers!

The myth that public spending brought down the Irish economy has been thoroughly discounted in report after report and at tribunal level. That myth was circulated by the banks, the corrupt government and IBEC to avoid lowering confidence for private sector investment in the country - basically, it was; if in doubt blame the public sector.

Now, tbh the Public Sector was not entirely blameless either. There was waste in that sector, but no more waste than in any small economy with high reliance on social services "topping up". Certainly no where near enough waste to bring the economy down.

Ok point taken but I did some research into your comments, it seems the Irish Government whilst not fiscally as negligent as some other countries including the UK did make some fundamental mistakes, the main one being to rely on the construction sector as a source of significant tax revenues. Clearly this "eggs in one basket" policy was a risky policy to pursue and blew up when the housing market collapsed. Check out page 10.

http://www.karlwhelan.com/Papers/Whelan ... ne2013.pdf

Regardless of this, the EU was not responsible for the Irish recession as I originally stated and I stand by that.

Allgunsblazin wrote:More confidence post Brexit...
We have just exchanged contracts on an 8 long chain, "I see no ships" Lord Horatio Nelson!....

Mortgage lending in August was the highest for any August since the same month in 2007 – before the crash.

The Council of Mortgage Lenders estimates that gross mortgage lending reached £22.5bn in August – 7% higher than July’s lending total of £21.1bn and 15% up on the year.

In August 2007 gross lending reached £33.6bn.

CML senior economist Mohammad Jamei said: “Widely voiced fears in recent months about the housing market have proved to be wide of the mark.

“Prospects for house purchase activity post-referendum look slightly subdued when compared to late 2015 and early 2016. However, sentiment in the market recovered in August. This is reflected in stronger than expected transaction figures, and in our gross lending estimate.”

Paul Smith, CEO of Spicerhaart, said: “Projected fears about the collapse of the housing market in the wake of a Brexit vote were misguided.

“Lenders are very clearly still open for business.

nut flush gooner wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:More confidence post Brexit...
We have just exchanged contracts on an 8 long chain, "I see no ships" Lord Horatio Nelson!....

Mortgage lending in August was the highest for any August since the same month in 2007 – before the crash.

The Council of Mortgage Lenders estimates that gross mortgage lending reached £22.5bn in August – 7% higher than July’s lending total of £21.1bn and 15% up on the year.

In August 2007 gross lending reached £33.6bn.

CML senior economist Mohammad Jamei said: “Widely voiced fears in recent months about the housing market have proved to be wide of the mark.

“Prospects for house purchase activity post-referendum look slightly subdued when compared to late 2015 and early 2016. However, sentiment in the market recovered in August. This is reflected in stronger than expected transaction figures, and in our gross lending estimate.”

Paul Smith, CEO of Spicerhaart, said: “Projected fears about the collapse of the housing market in the wake of a Brexit vote were misguided.

“Lenders are very clearly still open for business.

And I could produce stats that show house prices in the wealthiest parts of London have fallen 10%.

By the way we are not post brexit, we are post referendum nothing has happened yet.

nut flush gooner wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:More confidence post Brexit...
We have just exchanged contracts on an 8 long chain, "I see no ships" Lord Horatio Nelson!....

Mortgage lending in August was the highest for any August since the same month in 2007 – before the crash.

The Council of Mortgage Lenders estimates that gross mortgage lending reached £22.5bn in August – 7% higher than July’s lending total of £21.1bn and 15% up on the year.

In August 2007 gross lending reached £33.6bn.

CML senior economist Mohammad Jamei said: “Widely voiced fears in recent months about the housing market have proved to be wide of the mark.

“Prospects for house purchase activity post-referendum look slightly subdued when compared to late 2015 and early 2016. However, sentiment in the market recovered in August. This is reflected in stronger than expected transaction figures, and in our gross lending estimate.”

Paul Smith, CEO of Spicerhaart, said: “Projected fears about the collapse of the housing market in the wake of a Brexit vote were misguided.

“Lenders are very clearly still open for business.

And I could produce stats that show house prices in the wealthiest parts of London have fallen 10%.

By the way we are not post brexit, we are post referendum nothing has happened yet.

Allgunsblazin wrote: REMOANERS upped the anti wth if we do not stay in, unemployment will increase "post brexit", chaos in the stock market "post brexit" house prices will drop nationally not just your upper area in London which to be perfectly honest were always over priced, another "post brexit"....
Tell me, how long do you want in order to be proved right, admit your vote was wrong based on the above lies spouted out by rich toff David Cameron, why do you think he packed his bags so quickly, he got out quick because he was wrong, and that for a leader of this country is unforgivable....

SPUDMASHER wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote: REMOANERS upped the anti wth if we do not stay in, unemployment will increase "post brexit", chaos in the stock market "post brexit" house prices will drop nationally not just your upper area in London which to be perfectly honest were always over priced, another "post brexit"....
Tell me, how long do you want in order to be proved right, admit your vote was wrong based on the above lies spouted out by rich toff David Cameron, why do you think he packed his bags so quickly, he got out quick because he was wrong, and that for a leader of this country is unforgivable....

Fixed that for you to be more accurate as we've not left the EU yet!

No the vote wasn't wrong. Any educated person knows that in politics there is no right or wrong, there is only opinion.

Allgunsblazin wrote:

SPUDMASHER wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote: REMOANERS upped the anti wth if we do not stay in, unemployment will increase "post brexit", chaos in the stock market "post brexit" house prices will drop nationally not just your upper area in London which to be perfectly honest were always over priced, another "post brexit"....
Tell me, how long do you want in order to be proved right, admit your vote was wrong based on the above lies spouted out by rich toff David Cameron, why do you think he packed his bags so quickly, he got out quick because he was wrong, and that for a leader of this country is unforgivable....

Fixed that for you to be more accurate as we've not left the EU yet!

No the vote wasn't wrong. Any educated person knows that in politics there is no right or wrong, there is only opinion.

Well edited spuddie, you can be my Post Brexit Minister lol!...
As with everything, opinions keep us going, even opinions on Spurs....

nut flush gooner wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote:

SPUDMASHER wrote:

Allgunsblazin wrote: REMOANERS upped the anti wth if we do not stay in, unemployment will increase "post brexit", chaos in the stock market "post brexit" house prices will drop nationally not just your upper area in London which to be perfectly honest were always over priced, another "post brexit"....
Tell me, how long do you want in order to be proved right, admit your vote was wrong based on the above lies spouted out by rich toff David Cameron, why do you think he packed his bags so quickly, he got out quick because he was wrong, and that for a leader of this country is unforgivable....

Fixed that for you to be more accurate as we've not left the EU yet!

No the vote wasn't wrong. Any educated person knows that in politics there is no right or wrong, there is only opinion.

Well edited spuddie, you can be my Post Brexit Minister lol!...
As with everything, opinions keep us going, even opinions on Spurs....

You need a spokesman to correct your inaccuracies, that says a lot.

We have not left the EU yet, start gloating in a few years time when article 50 has been executed and you haven't lost your job.

As for DC, I would rather he ran the country than an ignoramus like you. We would really be screwed then!

FInally, Nigel Farage is a rich toff too. Working in the square mile trading in commodities does not make you working class!