THE WENGER THREAD

[markyp]

Look forward to all the credit Wenger's due when we make these signings..........

What... credit for doing his job in trying to make the squad and team stronger, which by the way is something he gets paid a fortune to do? How about all the times he conspicuously avoided doing what was needed, despite all and sundry pointing out what it was? So in summary we should not give him stick for failing to do the obvious for so long, but give him all the credit when he eventually does something right?

That can be easily flipped on its head though, plenty of people lay into him when he gets it wrong but refuse to give any credit when he gets it right because it doesn't fit the narrative. It doesn't matter if you're paid 8 pounds a year or 8 million, if you get it right you deserve credit.

It's not just with transfers though, for example he never gets any credit for the player he has made of Koscielny because the narrative is that he can't coach defenders. "All and sundry", myself included, were telling him to drop and sell Ramsey and many managers probably would have too.

its like giving credit to a billionaire buying a house in the Hollywood hills.the pulling power of Arsenal means most players would join,Wenker is simply trying to right his wrongs of the past 9 years,if I was Arsenal manager I could sign sanchez, I wouldnt expect credit for just doing my job,buying players is the most basic of tasks as manager,it takes no nous whatsoever,tactics on the other hand are a different story

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ot-it.html

I especially like the part where it says that sanchez's unselfish movement was what "allowed messi to flourish" - there you have it folks......without sanchez messi will be nothing

Messi is past it.

[1989]

Look forward to all the credit Wenger's due when we make these signings..........

What... credit for doing his job in trying to make the squad and team stronger, which by the way is something he gets paid a fortune to do? How about all the times he conspicuously avoided doing what was needed, despite all and sundry pointing out what it was? So in summary we should not give him stick for failing to do the obvious for so long, but give him all the credit when he eventually does something right?

That can be easily flipped on its head though, plenty of people lay into him when he gets it wrong but refuse to give any credit when he gets it right because it doesn't fit the narrative. It doesn't matter if you're paid 8 pounds a year or 8 million, if you get it right you deserve credit.

It's not just with transfers though, for example he never gets any credit for the player he has made of Koscielny because the narrative is that he can't coach defenders. "All and sundry", myself included, were telling him to drop and sell Ramsey and many managers probably would have too.

its like giving credit to a billionaire buying a house in the Hollywood hills.the pulling power of Arsenal means most players would join,Wenker is simply trying to right his wrongs of the past 9 years,if I was Arsenal manager I could sign sanchez, I wouldnt expect credit for just doing my job,buying players is the most basic of tasks as manager,it takes no nous whatsoever,tactics on the other hand are a different story

Convincing them to join you when other clubs like Juventus are in for them deserves credit.

[augie]

Look forward to all the credit Wenger's due when we make these signings..........

What... credit for doing his job in trying to make the squad and team stronger, which by the way is something he gets paid a fortune to do? How about all the times he conspicuously avoided doing what was needed, despite all and sundry pointing out what it was? So in summary we should not give him stick for failing to do the obvious for so long, but give him all the credit when he eventually does something right?

That can be easily flipped on its head though, plenty of people lay into him when he gets it wrong but refuse to give any credit when he gets it right because it doesn't fit the narrative. It doesn't matter if you're paid 8 pounds a year or 8 million, if you get it right you deserve credit.

It's not just with transfers though, for example he never gets any credit for the player he has made of Koscielny because the narrative is that he can't coach defenders. "All and sundry", myself included, were telling him to drop and sell Ramsey and many managers probably would have too.

its like giving credit to a billionaire buying a house in the Hollywood hills.the pulling power of Arsenal means most players would join,Wenker is simply trying to right his wrongs of the past 9 years,if I was Arsenal manager I could sign sanchez, I wouldnt expect credit for just doing my job,buying players is the most basic of tasks as manager,it takes no nous whatsoever,tactics on the other hand are a different story

Convincing them to join you when other clubs like Juventus are in for them deserves credit.

Not if the player isn't a greedy money chasing w*nker - every man, woman and child knows that serie a is no longer a top league and certainly doesn't hold the worldwide appeal that the prem league does, so why would a top player go there ? The prem league is the most watched league in the world, has some of the worlds best players in it and of course the players are not on paupers wages either so opting for a big club like ours in a big city like London should be a no brainer

[Chippy]

Oh dear God please don't make this a vindication of Wenker. We've done our Harrod's shopping. The rest of the summer will be Primark and BHS.

[OneBardGooner]

Oh dear God please don't make this a vindication of Wenker. We've done our Harrod's shopping. The rest of the summer will be Primark and Lidl

There just needed a Lidl adjustment there mate!

[Swifty]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ot-it.html

so we've spent 35 of 125 - so we have 90 left. 11 for debuchy makes 79.

we still need a world class holding DM - a destroyer and creator.

which we needed more than Sanchez.

we've just become even better flat track bullies - yay us.

No, we needed a striker more than anything - a top class striker, and we've got him.

And yeah I agree we also need a hard tackling bastard of a DM.

Im with ya 1989 and as always applaud your positivity and enthusiasm. A trophy (albeit not a top shelf one these days) and a proper big time striker in a couple of months - good to have stuff to cheer about! Looking forward to the season! But yes as always a DM to come. AW doing this business so early suggests to me he is either on a different direction this window or has new instructions. I would be surprised if we don't get 2 more significant signings and I never would have said that in previous years.

[arseofacrow]

Wenger deserved no credit last year because he failed to address the problems in the squad.

He also failed to address issues surrounding our humiliating defeats at City, Liverpool and Chelsea.

If Wenger addresses most of the problems with the squad and opens his eyes to different ways of playing, then fine.

If he realises that if you dont have some of the best players in the world in their positions, then you have to have a plan and some co-ordination between defence, midfield and attack.

Then he'll get credit - and we will be competing for the trophies that Wenger himself considers worthy (Not the FA Cup).

My bet is that adding a coupld of quality players will see us do pretty well but in the end, the superior organisation and ability to cope with adversity of other teams will see us once again hovering around 3rd/4th.

[OneBardGooner]

As you know AofCrow I am No wengerite/akb butthole surfer

But, if he still manages to sign players in the other (vital) positions we need, then I think we can challenge (properly) for the title - not just flatter to decieve which is what we have done for the past NINE YEARS!

I am over-the-moon at the signing of Sanchez - because he is exciting to watch and will improve any team, also the likes of Rambo, jack & The Ox will all get a decent education is skills, reading the game, how to move betwen the (defensive) lines and how to find space....all this (for me) adds to our ability to perhaps challenge for more than the usual VT...

BUT, and that but has yet to be addressed...It still depends on the 3 stooges (still) buying the players we need to strengthen the squad - If thyey buy Sanchez and then just sit back and do no more business - Then I agree - even with his (& Ozil's) World Class abilities & skills in the team - we will still only manage 3rd or 4th


Which is why, as excited as I am about the sanchez signing, am still waiting to see who/what else he brings into the team - AND whom he gets shot of.

SANCHEZ IS A GOONER! TRAAA LAAA LAAA LAAA

TRAAAA LAAA LAAA LAAAA!

[Theoperator]

Whatever is said here, he will stay for at least 2 years surely, so probably little point in winging. Just rest on your flip flops

[LaughingGooner]

So hands up who thinks Wengers been wasting his time in Brazil??!!???
Lots here said he was neglecting his duties, play football on the beach and working for French TV.

When in reality he was working behind the scenes.......having private talks with Sanchez.

The Wenger haters are finding more irrational ways to criticize Wenger.
He's deserved criticism over the years - poor tactics, poor judgement in standing by certain players - but he's pulled up a magnificent signing.

Now he's got some money behind him, he's shown he can attract world class players to come to our club.

Am buzzing for the next season and looking forward to some more signings.

[Den10kamp]

contrary to what ive wrote on here in this very thread a few weeks ago wenger has pulled this off, well done!

credit due credit given !

However he still fucked about and the criticism at the time in that particular context was fully justified!

lets remain postive

UP THE GUNNERS

[arseofacrow]

So hands up who thinks Wengers been wasting his time in Brazil??!!???
Lots here said he was neglecting his duties, play football on the beach and working for French TV.

When in reality he was working behind the scenes.......having private talks with Sanchez.

The Wenger haters are finding more irrational ways to criticize Wenger.
He's deserved criticism over the years - poor tactics, poor judgement in standing by certain players - but he's pulled up a magnificent signing.

Now he's got some money behind him, he's shown he can attract world class players to come to our club.

Am buzzing for the next season and looking forward to some more signings.

[Blood_Gooner]

2% for.

[MrT]

So hands up who thinks Wengers been wasting his time in Brazil??!!???
Lots here said he was neglecting his duties, play football on the beach and working for French TV.

When in reality he was working behind the scenes.......having private talks with Sanchez.

The Wenger haters are finding more irrational ways to criticize Wenger.
He's deserved criticism over the years - poor tactics, poor judgement in standing by certain players - but he's pulled up a magnificent signing.

Now he's got some money behind him, he's shown he can attract world class players to come to our club.

Am buzzing for the next season and looking forward to some more signings.

If there ever was a post that cemented the fact you are a wum, this is it.

I'll bite, for the last time. You are a middle aged man referring to fellow supporters as 'Wenger haters.' Pathetic.

For the record, read the Swiss Ramble blog in detail and you will see the money has been there for years. You will conveniently ignore it of course because you are bordering on mental retardation.

Also, it's I'M not AM.