As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Gunner Rob wrote:anyone else get the feeling that Ozil, now that he has won the World Cup will just view Arsenal as somewhere to pick up a decent pay packet for the season?
I don't think so...there are some on here who feel he didn't do too well in his first season - that on times he didn't look interested - maybe he's got berbatov syndrome ? - I think if anything his WC win will help inspire him to play at his best and so do better with his employers this season....
I've just read the pro-Wenger article on the main site. Why does the editor feel the need to put this immediately after the article?
"OnlineGooner is an open church which publishes views from right across the spectrum of fan opinion."
Why even put that? Does he do that after anti-Wenger columns? I don't think so. This, to me, is essentially an admission that the site has an anti-Wenger agenda. I don't think this is healthy for debate.
AugustusCaesar wrote:I've just read the pro-Wenger article on the main site. Why does the editor feel the need to put this immediately after the article?
"OnlineGooner is an open church which publishes views from right across the spectrum of fan opinion."
Why even put that? Does he do that after anti-Wenger columns? I don't think so. This, to me, is essentially an admission that the site has an anti-Wenger agenda. I don't think this is healthy for debate.
Ha! No. I'm even more pro-Wenger than that! No, not really but it's a bit annoying though. "Fan in gets behind current manager shocker". I really sense a sea change within the club. We're getting more and more competitive in the transfer market and with the confidence of a trophy under our belt we have every reason to be optimistic for next season and beyond. This could be the beginning of a great era for the club, I genuinely believe that. For all the question marks hanging over Wenger in the press and from some fans the solidarity within the club and the support from the players for the manager has always been unwavering. There have undoubtedly been mistakes in the last 9 years but other than a few broken hearts there was no terminable damage to the club. As a fan you have to take the rough with the smooth and move on after a disappointment. The cup victory was a great relief for everyone and a reward for the patience the fans have generally shown. We are now in a great position to challenge for moree silverware and I firmly believe we will deliver. Keep the faith!
AugustusCaesar wrote:Ha! No. I'm even more pro-Wenger than that! No, not really but it's a bit annoying though. "Fan in gets behind current manager shocker". I really sense a sea change within the club. We're getting more and more competitive in the transfer market and with the confidence of a trophy under our belt we have every reason to be optimistic for next season and beyond. This could be the beginning of a great era for the club, I genuinely believe that. For all the question marks hanging over Wenger in the press and from some fans the solidarity within the club and the support from the players for the manager has always been unwavering. There have undoubtedly been mistakes in the last 9 years but other than a few broken hearts there was no terminable damage to the club. As a fan you have to take the rough with the smooth and move on after a disappointment. The cup victory was a great relief for everyone and a reward for the patience the fans have generally shown. We are now in a great position to challenge for moree silverware and I firmly believe we will deliver. Keep the faith!
Sorry mate but you're far to positive with your post.
Your clearly a WUM or have just started celebrating the club.
You really must do better.......
mcdowell42 wrote:In most jobs people are entitled to 4 weeks holidays so I'm presuming it's same for footballers
Yeah under normal employment law they are going to be entitled to 28 days holiday a year like everyone else. How many days off they have after games and whether or not these count as 'holidays' in the legal sense depends on the specifics. Either way couldn't imagine them filing a claim with an employment tribunal
If that FIFA/FIFPro rule does exist they can fuck right off, they're being handsomely paid to work and as long as the club complies with the relevant national/EU legislation on holidays, H&S etc FIFA shouldn't be dictating working conditions to the clubs. Unless they are planning on paying their wages during that time.
mcdowell42 wrote:In most jobs people are entitled to 4 weeks holidays so I'm presuming it's same for footballers
Yeah under normal employment law they are going to be entitled to 28 days holiday a year like everyone else. How many days off they have after games and whether or not these count as 'holidays' in the legal sense depends on the specifics. Either way couldn't imagine them filing a claim with an employment tribunal
If that FIFA/FIFPro rule does exist they can fuck right off, they're being handsomely paid to work and as long as the club complies with the relevant national/EU legislation on holidays, H&S etc FIFA shouldn't be dictating working conditions to the clubs. Unless they are planning on paying their wages during that time.
FIFA are used to that, The Quataris paid the top FIFA execs wages for a long time........ Allegedly
Just been mulling over the contrast between this transfer window and ones for some time. Especially the last 2 uberembarassments. I know the window isnt shut obviously but so far so good.
Any ideas or suggestions as to whats changed? Was the last minute contract signing something to do with it? Something in it so someone else has parts to play in signings?
Theoperator wrote:Just been mulling over the contrast between this transfer window and ones for some time. Especially the last 2 uberembarassments. I know the window isnt shut obviously but so far so good.
Any ideas or suggestions as to whats changed? Was the last minute contract signing something to do with it? Something in it so someone else has parts to play in signings?
Its all rather unWenger like isnt it?
Judging by Wenger (and the club)'s comments they always indicated the spending pattern was likely to develop this way. Years of hording away cash, selling our best players and refusing to improve the squad to our huge detriment whilst playing fiscal chicken by walking the tightrope of cutting expenditure as much as possible whilst retaining the CL revenue. Followed by a switch suddenly being flicked and us being free to spend big.
Don't get me wrong, I am extremely glad we are finally buying players and although there are definitely a few areas to address I think this window has gone a lot better so far than anybody expected. But when you think we've spent £85m in 11 months, it's hard to say we wouldn't have been better off spending some of that money (that we were stockpiling) back in 2011 to actually try and replace Fabregas and Nasri, or in 2012 to keep van Judas. Surely a sensible phased re-introduction of spending about that time would have served us better than asset-stripping and tight-fisted antics year-on-year and then suddenly opening the gates? And actually making the two astute signings (or whatever) we needed in 2008 would have been preferable to letting a good squad disintegrate and arguably paid financial dividends in the medium term? There was no need for us to be so uncompetitive from 2008-13.'
Wow. we now have 2 goalkeepers. Phew saves Vermaelen going in goal. We have 3 Right backs 2 of whom are unproven youngsters and one is a superstar from the barcodes. And we have a fantastic attacking mid fielder who may give us a few more options if Wenger learns tactics. Will people please calm down. This is not revolutionary. It is what most top teams do every season. I'd say we may have improved the overall team by 2 or 3 %. Stop this crap about winning loads of stuff and a new era. Our defence is frail and getting frailer. We will ship goals against the top 6 and end up, let me see, 4th.
Chippy wrote:Wow. we now have 2 goalkeepers. Phew saves Vermaelen going in goal. We have 3 Right backs 2 of whom are unproven youngsters and one is a superstar from the barcodes. And we have a fantastic attacking mid fielder who may give us a few more options if Wenger learns tactics. Will people please calm down. This is not revolutionary. It is what most top teams do every season. I'd say we may have improved the overall team by 2 or 3 %. Stop this crap about winning loads of stuff and a new era. Our defence is frail and getting frailer. We will ship goals against the top 6 and end up, let me see, 4th.
this is literally the exact same way that i feel. spending money this summer is great but unless wenger has been taking tactics courses i feel the start of this season will be similar to last. hell, just go back and watch the 1st 10min of the f.a. cup game.....i'll believe we've turned the corner when i see it
Theoperator wrote:Just been mulling over the contrast between this transfer window and ones for some time. Especially the last 2 uberembarassments. I know the window isnt shut obviously but so far so good.
Any ideas or suggestions as to whats changed? Was the last minute contract signing something to do with it? Something in it so someone else has parts to play in signings?
Its all rather unWenger like isnt it?
Thought there was somethin strange goin on meself with Wengers protracted contract negotiations. Nothing like a good conspiracy theory.
Posted this back in May. Do keep up.
armchair wrote:Wonder if Wenger was holding out for assurances that there would be no interference to his grip on all aspects of running the club.
The Ozil signing and rumours of some dis-enchantment among board members and announcements from Gazidis about looking at our terrible injury problems - all infringing on Wenger territory....
Just a thought though.
Maybe it was the other way round and the board was holding out for Wenger to agree to start easing his grip on some departments
Theoperator wrote:Just been mulling over the contrast between this transfer window and ones for some time. Especially the last 2 uberembarassments. I know the window isnt shut obviously but so far so good.
Any ideas or suggestions as to whats changed? Was the last minute contract signing something to do with it? Something in it so someone else has parts to play in signings?
Its all rather unWenger like isnt it?
Wenger knows this is his last contract as he isn't getting any younger and wants to win the CL before he retires.
