As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Chippy wrote:Just reminded me of being totally outclassed by the Barcawhores at Wembley. Got my tix via a friend of Pat Rice. Hope he's making a good recovery.
we were destroyed by Rivaldo. Barca really were a great team that year, and Rivaldo is one of the best players i've ever seen in the flesh - up there with Bergkamp & Mario Kempes certainly for me.
I still wonder if Petit would have made any difference ? probably not as we were way way too open and i think all four of their goals were on the break away.
I will always remember that game as Dennis' goal was headed.
Chippy wrote:Just reminded me of being totally outclassed by the Barcawhores at Wembley. Got my tix via a friend of Pat Rice. Hope he's making a good recovery.
we were destroyed by Rivaldo. Barca really were a great team that year, and Rivaldo is one of the best players i've ever seen in the flesh - up there with Bergkamp & Mario Kempes certainly for me.
I still wonder if Petit would have made any difference ? probably not as we were way way too open and i think all four of their goals were on the break away.
I will always remember that game as Dennis' goal was headed.
Myself, the bro and a couple mates were at that game. I also remember Dennis doing some kind of double drag back thing that made our whole section go "ooooooooooohhhhhhhh!!!!" like a crowd of women!!
remigardeshair wrote:The mistake he made in the second leg was far more of an influence. Yes it was a stupid decision to come out in the first leg but we equalised and were effectively ahead in the tie.
His poor parry straight to Lampard to equalise in the second leg hit us far harder, we were a goal up and had momentum, and the chavs were struggling, the mistake let them back into the game when they barely had a foothold, and the rest is history unfortunately.
Whilst I agree the impact of the 2nd leg Lumpolard goal for the chav was huge, but for me the blind charge out of goal was worse. Parrying a shot back into play can happen to the best keeper. Shot comes in, you jump at it, try get something on it. Where it deflects to can be down to luck. But to come charging out of goal like a retarded rhino with its arse on fire is down to a stupid decision and is fully avoidable. My point being that with all things equal, and looking at all the goals scored over both legs only one was down to an individual's rank stupidity and was totally avoidable.
I understand that a keeper flying out of goal like that is infuriating - and fuck me between Lehmann, Flappy and Szczesny we've seen enough for 10 lifetimes - but that 2nd leg goal was an absolute howler. It was a long-range effort that was a comfortable height and not far away from him, he could see it coming for ages and not only did he somehow contrive to parry it straight back out into the middle of the goal, he actually cushioned it so that it rolled back out to Lampard.
Although it was decision-making rather than execution, at least there was some danger with that 1st leg goal as Gudjohnsen would have presumably latched onto the ball in a good position. Whereas a keeper with no arms could have saved Makelele's shot, and he literally couldn't have done a worse job without stopping it.
remigardeshair wrote:The mistake he made in the second leg was far more of an influence. Yes it was a stupid decision to come out in the first leg but we equalised and were effectively ahead in the tie.
His poor parry straight to Lampard to equalise in the second leg hit us far harder, we were a goal up and had momentum, and the chavs were struggling, the mistake let them back into the game when they barely had a foothold, and the rest is history unfortunately.
Whilst I agree the impact of the 2nd leg Lumpolard goal for the chav was huge, but for me the blind charge out of goal was worse. Parrying a shot back into play can happen to the best keeper. Shot comes in, you jump at it, try get something on it. Where it deflects to can be down to luck. But to come charging out of goal like a retarded rhino with its arse on fire is down to a stupid decision and is fully avoidable. My point being that with all things equal, and looking at all the goals scored over both legs only one was down to an individual's rank stupidity and was totally avoidable.
I understand that a keeper flying out of goal like that is infuriating - and fuck me between Lehmann, Flappy and Szczesny we've seen enough for 10 lifetimes - but that 2nd leg goal was an absolute howler. It was a long-range effort that was a comfortable height and not far away from him, he could see it coming for ages and not only did he somehow contrive to parry it straight back out into the middle of the goal, he actually cushioned it so that it rolled back out to Lampard.
Although it was decision-making rather than execution, at least there was some danger with that 1st leg goal as Gudjohnsen would have presumably latched onto the ball in a good position. Whereas a keeper with no arms could have saved Makelele's shot, and he literally couldn't have done a worse job without stopping it.
Absolutely not. No real danger at all. No direct threat on goal. It was miles out, Gudjohnsen was running out towards the touchline, we had a defender running across after him. Of all the stupid charges out of goal that Lehmann, Flappy and Szczesny and Almunia ever made, Lehmann's was the worst by a long long way, absolutely unecessary. Every keeper will have a howler at some point. I can accept that.
But the whole point I'm making is that it was Lehmann's decision making that fucked us over, not a technical or execution mistake, and unlike an execution error, it was absolutely avoidable.
I think Wenger has earned a stay of execution of at least one year by winning the Fa Cup last season (from the fans, the board will never fire him). I'm not sure whether that is a good or bad thing.
Last season was so frustrating as we were able to beat all the teams below us, but completely fell apart in the big away games. For that reason, I think this season should be Wengers last chance to try and win the title.
We have the best squad I can remember for quite a few years (all the wasters like Santos, Denilson, Bentdner all gone now) if Wenger cannot get the best out of them this season, then he should stand aside for someone who can.
fivetothree wrote:I think Wenger has earned a stay of execution of at least one year by winning the Fa Cup last season (from the fans, the board will never fire him). I'm not sure whether that is a good or bad thing.
Last season was so frustrating as we were able to beat all the teams below us, but completely fell apart in the big away games. For that reason, I think this season should be Wengers last chance to try and win the title.
We have the best squad I can remember for quite a few years (all the wasters like Santos, Denilson, Bentdner all gone now) if Wenger cannot get the best out of them this season, then he should stand aside for someone who can.
A decade without a sniff at the Prem title. Money excuse out the window now, and still can't assembly a proper squad which instill title hope in Gooners. One common denominator in all this....
fivetothree wrote:I think Wenger has earned a stay of execution of at least one year by winning the Fa Cup last season (from the fans, the board will never fire him). I'm not sure whether that is a good or bad thing.
Last season was so frustrating as we were able to beat all the teams below us, but completely fell apart in the big away games. For that reason, I think this season should be Wengers last chance to try and win the title.
We have the best squad I can remember for quite a few years (all the wasters like Santos, Denilson, Bentdner all gone now) if Wenger cannot get the best out of them this season, then he should stand aside for someone who can.
That's my two cents anyway.
You do realise that the board appointed Wenger for the next 3 years to reach the top 4 and not win the title?
Anyone who thinks otherwise is in dreamland.
Wenger seems more relaxed and positive, hopefully this will transpose to the team.
He comes off pretty badly in the press a lot of the time but when he mugs somebody off in his quiet, unassuming manner like he did with Gerrard today it's brilliant.
Blood_Gooner wrote:A decade without a sniff at the Prem title. Money excuse out the window now, and still can't assembly a proper squad which instill title hope in Gooners. One common denominator in all this....
Absolutely 100% Against.
Ironically, it also happens to be the same common denominator present in all our title wins.
