As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
One of the reasons Wenger failed hard in those last few years, was the atmosphere turned toxic because trust was broken & almost all fans knew he couldn't turn it around.
Once Wenger was moved on, that toxic atmosphere would dispense and the whole club could start fresh. All the club needed to do was appoint someone the fans could get behind, and someone the fans would be willing to show some leeway in any down times. However, they managed to pick someone who the fans do not trust, and someone the fans will show no goodwill toward. Thus, poor results will beget further toxic atmosphere.
Its not a clean slate. Its a continuation of Wenger. Although Arteta commands less respect & authority than Wenger.
Make no mistake about it, this is a diabolical appointment and it will not succeed.
This sums it up for me too - they dont need to appoint a top level manager for the fans to get back on board again, but appointing a rookie manager will ensure that the apathy and disharmony with the fans will not end any time soon. What should be a new start and new vision for everyone, is turning into more of the same with the club appointing a rookie manager with the same wenger mentality
No ''top'' player is going to want to come and play for Arteta and Cazorla.
Fucking mid-table obscurity here we come.
Two complete novices. What a complete joke our club is. I am starting to hope that Kroenke brings the whole thing plummeting down. What kind of a clown would sanction appointing two people who haven't ever managed and one who has coached for 2 years only?
It would certainly lower the clubs value, drop the share price - may make his more likely to take Usmanov’s offer (if he still want to, amid talk of Everton)
Still need to see what happens yet, don’t think Henry as a no 2 will work as he will always overshadow Arteta for fans, players, media etc.
Hey ho, it ain’t Wenker and most of us knew it would take a while to pump out the crap, steady the ship before we start setting sail to title wins etc
So after years of generally only signing players who nobody else was in for, we look like we are going for a manager that would otherwise 100% not be considered for a half-decent managerial job.
They could have gotten in a less than stellar name and still retained a buzz around the club, is it that fucking hard to realise that they needed to cut ties from the last decade under Wenger.
Appointing a bloke who was club captain under this powder-puff, 4th place obsessed regime has no fucking right to be anywhere near this football club. Add to that Mertesacker in a key role and the cherry on top of Cazorla being touted as assistant and we would have the entire playing side of the club being run by three fucking no-marks who don’t understand what Arsenal (not Arsene FC) stands for and who should have been moved on 2 years before they actually were.
Gazidis is a moron. He is typical of a certain type of super arrogant American businessman that thinks he is smarter than he is.... the type that bring banks down. He tried a coup last year and made a complete fuck up of it. The ONLY reason Wenger went this season is because so many fans stayed away from the Conglomerates that Wiggy could see it would hurt the brand if Wenger served out the full two year extension. The board could not and did not foresee having to get rid of Wenger after the first year of the extension and had no plan in place. People giving Gazidis credit for cunning and business smarts have it totally wrong.
Make no mistake Kroenke Gazidis and this board of empty suited lizards are greedy enough and stupid enough to go with the cheap option of Arteta.
Wenger was the symptom. Kroenke (and Gazidis) are the disease.
Best post you written here by far.
Damn him with faint praise, why don't you? He's trying his best.
So after years of generally only signing players who nobody else was in for, we look like we are going for a manager that would otherwise 100% not be considered for a half-decent managerial job.
They could have gotten in a less than stellar name and still retained a buzz around the club, is it that fucking hard to realise that they needed to cut ties from the last decade under Wenger.
Appointing a bloke who was club captain under this powder-puff, 4th place obsessed regime has no fucking right to be anywhere near this football club. Add to that Mertesacker in a key role and the cherry on top of Cazorla being touted as assistant and we would have the entire playing side of the club being run by three fucking no-marks who don’t understand what Arsenal (not Arsene FC) stands for and who should have been moved on 2 years before they actually were.
Absolutely and it is obvious for all to see but we just keep forgetting what a bunch of fuckwits we have in charge of our club now. It only took them 8 - 10 years to work out TOF so what indication did they give off that they would get the new appointment right.
I don't have anything against Arteta himself but if he does bomb he might just do us the favour of being the catalyst for an all out assault on that fucking parasite Kroenke.
So after years of generally only signing players who nobody else was in for, we look like we are going for a manager that would otherwise 100% not be considered for a half-decent managerial job.
They could have gotten in a less than stellar name and still retained a buzz around the club, is it that fucking hard to realise that they needed to cut ties from the last decade under Wenger.
Appointing a bloke who was club captain under this powder-puff, 4th place obsessed regime has no fucking right to be anywhere near this football club. Add to that Mertesacker in a key role and the cherry on top of Cazorla being touted as assistant and we would have the entire playing side of the club being run by three fucking no-marks who don’t understand what Arsenal (not Arsene FC) stands for and who should have been moved on 2 years before they actually were.
Absolutely and it is obvious for all to see but we just keep forgetting what a bunch of fuckwits we have in charge of our club now. It only took them 8 - 10 years to work out TOF so what indication did they give off that they would get the new appointment right.
I don't have anything against Arteta himself but if he does bomb he might just do us the favour of being the catalyst for an all out assault on that fucking parasite Kroenke.
It's the Mail so probably bs but hope its true, I think they tried the same cheap sh*t with Vieira, they think they can appease the proles by having the 'face' of a legend around the club but don't want to actually 'risk' a big personality taking charge in case they say anything about the owner/board that might turn the fans properly against them, they want a yes man but the fans kept quiet - i.e they want their take and to eat it.
The appointment of Arteta will only underline how far our club has fallen under Kroenke and Wenger
Yep they can try and sell it to us however they want but in the end that is the truth, none of the 'big' manager want any part of our el cheapo model so they have to look for a wildcard maverick unknown who might work out but wont cost much if they don't.
Players should come to play for The Arsenal at the end of the day, not who's managing us.
Ricoh had managed football games beforehand.
If I remember rightly at that time Rioch was highly coveted at the time as an up and coming British manager. One of his notable games, was a cup tie a few years previously where Bolton turned Arsenal over.
With regards to attracting players, Arsenal did well to get Aubameyang but new recruits won't be encouraged to join us if we are seen to take second or even third rate replacements for Wenger, and I don't just mean Arteta here.
Players should come to play for The Arsenal at the end of the day, not who's managing us.
Ricoh had managed football games beforehand.
If I remember rightly at that time Rioch was highly coveted at the time as an up and coming British manager. One of his notable games, was a cup tie a few years previously where Bolton turned Arsenal over.
With regards to attracting players, Arsenal did well to get Aubameyang but new recruits won't be encouraged to join us if we are seen to take second or even third rate replacements for Wenger, and I don't just mean Arteta here.
I agree with this Nutty but i do feel that certain ex-players mitigate this slightly, a bit like ZZ at Real, and are able to attract people purely through their reputation. Much as i'd be against TH and maybe PV managing us i do think they'd be a better option than Arteta if this is the route we have to go down.
Players should come to play for The Arsenal at the end of the day, not who's managing us.
Ricoh had managed football games beforehand.
If I remember rightly at that time Rioch was highly coveted at the time as an up and coming British manager. One of his notable games, was a cup tie a few years previously where Bolton turned Arsenal over.
With regards to attracting players, Arsenal did well to get Aubameyang but new recruits won't be encouraged to join us if we are seen to take second or even third rate replacements for Wenger, and I don't just mean Arteta here.
I agree with this Nutty but i do feel that certain ex-players mitigate this slightly, a bit like ZZ at Real, and are able to attract people purely through their reputation. Much as i'd be against TH and maybe PV managing us i do think they'd be a better option than Arteta if this is the route we have to go down.
I think most gooners now would take TH14 over Arteta as things stand with PV4 seeming like it’s not even close to happening. If he did nothing else at least he (TH14) knows what Arsenal is all about and would kick the likes of Bellerin up the backside. Arteta wouldn’t say boo to a goose.
As usual the process is like a slow death with Arsenal, it’s almost like just get it done ffs.
If Arteta is picked I will support him, but if he fucks up my attention will firmly move onto the owners. I can’t help feeling down the years Kroenke and Gazidis have got away with murder. In Wengers last game Chips Keswick and Kroenke when he appeared on the screen where roundly boo’d.
