Nigerian Billionaire interested in Arsenal Takeover?

[USMartin]

Gunnerblog reflects a widely held view amongst fans and Arsenal "commentators/bloggers". I understand you putting documentary evidence above all else, but there is such a thing as "reading between the lines".

Yes I am aware of that view as this is HARDLY the first time I have discussed or debated any of this issues, and it is a view or Board or club apologists eager to explain the possibility that the Board erred in its handling of this situation. I would suggest that reading between the lines the lines is fine when you are reading facts not an invented idea designed to obscure the facts.

Again – if this were true no one would benefit more from making it Public than Arsenal Football Club and the Board - yet they have NEVER ONCE suggested this was the case when they certainly could given the eagerness of some to believe it now even. That speanks volumes

This is where things are bizarre, and unclear. Wenger was seemingly told what Cole's wages should be, or rather, what their upper limit should be. Yet Cole had plenty of time left on his contract. Why was it even being negotiated? Why was he agitating for more money? Why are we told Wenger is given a figure each summer for combined wages and transfers. Why do so many people around the club express wonder at Wenger's "control"?

Truth be told what seems bizarre is this paragraph! But in all seriousness – here you acknowledged Mr. Wenger was instructed by the Board on what he could offer Ashley Cole which would suggest the Board was controlling just how - and therefore how much – the manager could actually spend, yet below you contradict yourself quite clearly. Very odd to say the least.

To answer that last most troubling question first – the idea that everything is Under Mr. Wenger’s control creates plausible deniability for the Board if and when they are actually questioned about their ambition – they can blame the manager, and since enough supporters simply want to believe the Board no matter the facts it divets a large number of supporters from questioning them. “Money is available to spend if the manager wants to spend itâ€

[marcengels]

Are you two thinking of getting a room?

[USMartin]

Are you two thinking of getting a room?

And we have a winner - I was wondering when that would get posted

[flash gunner]

Are you two thinking of getting a room?

Wish they would!!!!! Do you think they are trying to outword eachother?

[I Hate Hleb]

Are you suggesting that their posts haven't been an interesting, if long, read?

[VforVictory]

Gunnerblog reflects a widely held view amongst fans and Arsenal "commentators/bloggers". I understand you putting documentary evidence above all else, but there is such a thing as "reading between the lines".

Yes I am aware of that view as this is HARDLY the first time I have discussed or debated any of this issues, and it is a view or Board or club apologists eager to explain the possibility that the Board erred in its handling of this situation. I would suggest that reading between the lines the lines is fine when you are reading facts not an invented idea designed to obscure the facts.

Again – if this were true no one would benefit more from making it Public than Arsenal Football Club and the Board - yet they have NEVER ONCE suggested this was the case when they certainly could given the eagerness of some to believe it now even. That speanks volumes

This is where things are bizarre, and unclear. Wenger was seemingly told what Cole's wages should be, or rather, what their upper limit should be. Yet Cole had plenty of time left on his contract. Why was it even being negotiated? Why was he agitating for more money? Why are we told Wenger is given a figure each summer for combined wages and transfers. Why do so many people around the club express wonder at Wenger's "control"?

Truth be told what seems bizarre is this paragraph! But in all seriousness – here you acknowledged Mr. Wenger was instructed by the Board on what he could offer Ashley Cole which would suggest the Board was controlling just how - and therefore how much – the manager could actually spend, yet below you contradict yourself quite clearly. Very odd to say the least.


vforvictory says:

I do not contradict myself at all.

I comment that the situation has contradictory statements.

To answer that last most troubling question first – the idea that everything is Under Mr. Wenger’s control creates plausible deniability for the Board if and when they are actually questioned about their ambition – they can blame the manager, and since enough supporters simply want to believe the Board no matter the facts it divets a large number of supporters from questioning them. “Money is available to spend if the manager wants to spend itâ€

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

Are you two thinking of getting a room?

Wish they would!!!!! Do you think they are trying to outword eachother?

Wordist!

[USMartin]

You have a fixed idea of events and are pushing your "line" at every opportunity on various threads here. I do not, and look at different factors and events around the club.

Actually that's not true - I would say you would be correct if you noted my views were based on a single specific belief - that the Board acted irrespeosibly out of financial self-interest, but my views have evolved often and in some instances rather dramatically,,

The only thing - in theory - fixed about anything I say is my reliance upon facts at every oppurtunity to guide my views and not simply upon preconceived notions based as much or even more upon loyalty faith and trust than reality.

The Boards own words on spending and its actions on spending have proven incosistent and raised these questions, that conclusion has in exploring the matter further led to other conclusions again based on facts or reasoned inference in turn based on facts.



I would much rather feel the same trust and confidence in my Board that I did back before all this began than the doubt and distrust I feel now, but I cannot ignore the facts I know simply to feel more comfortable in my faith in the Board and to justify it to myself or any other Gooner. I can't and I won't do that.

What are you going to do about your dislike of the board? Is it any use shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted?

To the first question I have e-mailed the club - albeit with minimal results and response. I will note a I know a shareholder who did hear back from Ken Friar but that Mr. Friar's response while couteous and considerate was basically a collection of sound bites and evasive non=-answers to my firmed's real concerns and questions.

While I could join the AST even as a non-shareholder, I am not sure I could do much much more as yet beyond trying to get other Gooners to share my concerns - primarily because I do not live in London and have not been there when meetings related to these events were being held. Had I been there I can assure I would not have missed a single one and would have pressed the Board or its representatives present to address these concerns. If I can find the money I'll stop hope to move to london with just that in mind.

And that's because if you wanted to you COULD still put some pressure on the club and the Board specifically there to act in the team's best interests sooner rather than later. Pretnding otherwise conjures images of "surrender monkeys" and the like.

Seriously, whatever the Board have in mind they have yet to complete and so you can still positively influence its completition for the benefit of Arsenal Football Club by simply asking them to tell the truth and if they don't asking them again and again until they do. Yes it may require protest or the threat of protest but it can be done - if you are willing to do it.

The problem is that too many Gooners strike me similalrly - so wedded to their faith in Asrenal and what Arsenal stands and that the Board are the direct representatives of that, that to question for the Board in the first place is more upsetting than whatever answer you may - or may not - receive. That to question the Board is to question one's faith in the Board and thuus to question oneself.

That is what I mean by thinking with your head in stead of your heart - analysing with intellect instead of emotion or belief. Ask yourself this - do you think if the same things happened the same way at s***s you would analyze them the same way?

All I want is the Gooners who really can exert pressure on the club to do so, and those are the Gooners who regualrly attend matches and meetings because they are there to. If I can do more I happily do so, but in the meantime its the Gooners paying those season ticket prices that should want to have it all genuinely justified to them.

[flash gunner]

Are you suggesting that their posts haven't been an interesting, if long, read?

I stop reading them on page 4

[USMartin]

Are you suggesting that their posts haven't been an interesting, if long, read?

I stop reading them on page 4

Better that than reading them and then complaining that you actually read them honestly

Horses for courses and all that

[flash gunner]

Are you suggesting that their posts haven't been an interesting, if long, read?

I stop reading them on page 4

Better that than reading them and then complaining that you actually read them honestly

Horses for courses and all that

You and V keep on going mate im only joking around

Can i just ask you not to start posting on the tit threads though

[USMartin]

Are you suggesting that their posts haven't been an interesting, if long, read?

I stop reading them on page 4

Better that than reading them and then complaining that you actually read them honestly

Horses for courses and all that

You and V keep on going mate im only joking around



Can i just ask you not to start posting on the tit threads though

No worries - I'm a tity man myslef so if I post there it will be strictly tits - and look at how long my posts are here - that means theere would be LOTS of them

[flash gunner]

Are you suggesting that their posts haven't been an interesting, if long, read?

I stop reading them on page 4

Better that than reading them and then complaining that you actually read them honestly

Horses for courses and all that

You and V keep on going mate im only joking around



Can i just ask you not to start posting on the tit threads though

No worries - I'm a tity man myslef so if I post there it will be strictly tits - and look at how long my posts are here - that means theere would be LOTS of them

A new challenger to Rebels crown

[USMartin]

I stop reading them on page 4

Better that than reading them and then complaining that you actually read them honestly

Horses for courses and all that

You and V keep on going mate im only joking around

Can i just ask you not to start posting on the tit threads though

A new challenger to Rebels crown

I'm new like you say - does Rebel have a lot to say - or just a lot of what I say ha ha

[VforVictory]

You have a fixed idea of events and are pushing your "line" at every opportunity on various threads here. I do not, and look at different factors and events around the club.

Actually that's not true - I would say you would be correct if you noted my views were based on a single specific belief - that the Board acted irrespeosibly out of financial self-interest, but my views have evolved often and in some instances rather dramatically,,

vforvictory says:

On your posts on here, there has been a "Fixed line" approach from you. You have berated me for introducing new ideas into the discussion, yet now claim to champion such an approach from yourself. You cannot have it both ways

The only thing - in theory - fixed about anything I say is my reliance upon facts at every oppurtunity to guide my views and not simply upon preconceived notions based as much or even more upon loyalty faith and trust than reality.

The Boards own words on spending and its actions on spending have proven incosistent and raised these questions, that conclusion has in exploring the matter further led to other conclusions again based on facts or reasoned inference in turn based on facts.

vforvictory says:

I agree that the board's insistence that the stadium development would not affect the team is not true. One might split hairs and say that the board only mention the stadium development, rather than Highbury, but the inference is in my opinion that the move from Highbury would not affect the team. It clearly has.
But so have the era of the "Oligarchs", and factors concerning individual players.



I would much rather feel the same trust and confidence in my Board that I did back before all this began


vforvictory says:

I have never had 100% confidence in the board, but we are stuck with the board.



than the doubt and distrust I feel now, but I cannot ignore the facts I know simply to feel more comfortable in my faith in the Board and to justify it to myself or any other Gooner. I can't and I won't do that.

What are you going to do about your dislike of the board? Is it any use shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted?

To the first question I have e-mailed the club - albeit with minimal results and response. I will note a I know a shareholder who did hear back from Ken Friar but that Mr. Friar's response while couteous and considerate was basically a collection of sound bites and evasive non=-answers to my firmed's real concerns and questions.


vforvictory says:

Why not write airmail to all the directors individually?

Why not join the AST and AISA?

Why not start a blog?

There is nothing stopping you except perhaps the cost, but that is small.

While I could join the AST even as a non-shareholder, I am not sure I could do much much more as yet beyond trying to get other Gooners to share my concerns - primarily because I do not live in London and have not been there when meetings related to these events were being held. Had I been there I can assure I would not have missed a single one and would have pressed the Board or its representatives present to address these concerns. If I can find the money I'll stop hope to move to london with just that in mind.

And that's because if you wanted to you COULD still put some pressure on the club and the Board specifically there to act in the team's best interests sooner rather than later. Pretnding otherwise conjures images of "surrender monkeys" and the like.

vforvictory says:

Many have, and continue, to write to the club urging a better standard of player.


Seriously, whatever the Board have in mind they have yet to complete and so you can still positively influence its completition for the benefit of Arsenal Football Club by simply asking them to tell the truth and if they don't asking them again and again until they do. Yes it may require protest or the threat of protest but it can be done - if you are willing to do it.

The problem is that too many Gooners strike me similalrly - so wedded to their faith in Asrenal and what Arsenal stands and that the Board are the direct representatives of that, that to question for the Board in the first place is more upsetting than whatever answer you may - or may not - receive. That to question the Board is to question one's faith in the Board and thuus to question oneself.


vforvictory says:

I think you will find that the majority of fans are very much questioning the board and Asrene Wenger. I think the minority want Wenger to resign, but the majority are baffled by recent team selection and tactics.

That is what I mean by thinking with your head in stead of your heart - analysing with intellect instead of emotion or belief. Ask yourself this - do you think if the same things happened the same way at s***s you would analyze them the same way?


vforvictory says:

They would be discussed a lot on this Forum, because Spurs are traditional rivals. They would be less emotional, but one cannot and should not seperate emotion from support of one's club.

All I want is the Gooners who really can exert pressure on the club to do so, and those are the Gooners who regualrly attend matches and meetings because they are there to. If I can do more I happily do so, but in the meantime its the Gooners paying those season ticket prices that should want to have it all genuinely justified to them.

vforvictory says:

Any protest has to be very clear in it's message and realistic objective. If such a protest is needed, no such criteria have been met.

Do not underestimate the will of the fans to protest when it is really needed.