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I have a feeling we may see this on a few threads today...

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how best to cook vegetables harvested on the planet Mars.

"When you get to the idea of growing plants on the moon, or on Mars," explains molecular biologist Rob Ferl, director of Space Agriculture Biotechnology Research and Education at the University of Florida, "then you have to consider the idea of growing plants in as reduced an atmospheric pressure as possible."

There are two reasons. First, it'll help reduce the weight of the supplies that need to be lifted off the earth. Even air has mass.

Second, Martian and lunar greenhouses must hold up in places where the atmospheric pressures are, at best, less than one percent of Earth-normal. Those greenhouses will be easier to construct and operate if their interior pressure is also very low -- perhaps only one-sixteenth of Earth normal.

The problem is, in such extreme low pressures, plants have to work hard to survive. "Remember, plants have no evolutionary preadaption to hypobaria," says Ferl. There's no reason for them to have learned to interpret the biochemical signals induced by low pressure. And, in fact, they don't. They misinterpret them.

Low pressure makes plants act as if they're drying out.

In recent experiments, supported by NASA's Office of Biological and Physical research, Ferl's group exposed young growing plants to pressures of one-tenth Earth normal for about twenty-four hours. In such a low-pressure environment, water is pulled out through the leaves very quickly, and so extra water is needed to replenish it.

But, says Ferl, the plants were given all the water they needed. Even the relative humidity was kept at nearly 100 percent. Nevertheless, the plants' genes that sensed drought were still being activated. Apparently, says Ferl, the plants interpreted the accelerated water movement as drought stress, even though there was no drought at all.

That's bad. Plants are wasting their resources if they expend them trying to deal with a problem that isn't even there. For example, they might close up their stomata -- the tiny holes in their leaves from which water escapes. Or they might drop their leaves altogether. But, those responses aren't necessarily appropriate.

Fortunately, once the plants' responses are understood, researchers can adjust them. "We can make biochemical alterations that change the level of hormones," says Ferl. "We can increase or decrease them to affect the plants' response to its environment."

And, intriguingly, studies have found benefits to a low pressure environment. The mechanism is essentially the same as the one that causes the problems, explains Ferl. In low pressure, not only water, but also plant hormones are flushed from the plant more quickly. So a hormone, for example, that causes plants to die of old age might move through the organism before it takes effect.

eas growing onboard the International Space Station. Ferl's research will improve greenhouses not only on other planets, but also on spaceships.

Astronauts aren't the only ones who will benefit from this research. By controlling air pressure, in, say, an Earth greenhouse or a storage bin, it may be possible to influence certain plant behaviors. For example, if you store fruit at low pressure, it lasts much longer. That's because of the swift elimination of the hormone ethylene, which causes fruit to ripen, and then rot. Farm produce trucked from one coast to the other in low pressure containers might arrive at supermarkets as fresh as if it had been picked that day.

Much work remains to be done. Ferl's team looked at the way plants react to a short period of low pressure. Still to be determined is how plants react to spending longer amounts of time -- like their entire life -- in hypobaric conditions. Ferl also hopes to examine plants at a wider variety of pressures. There are whole suites of genes that are activated at different pressures, he says, and this suggests a surprisingly complex response to low pressure environments.

To learn more about this genetic response, Ferl's group is bioengineering plants whose genes glow green when activated. In addition they are using DNA microchip technology to examine as many as twenty-thousand genes at a time in plants exposed to low pressures.

Rob Ferl in his laboratory at the Center for Space Agricultural Biotechnology Research and Education.

Plants will play an extraordinarily important role in allowing humans to explore destinations like Mars and the moon. They will provide food, oxygen and even good cheer to astronauts far from home. To make the best use of plants off-Earth, "we have to understand the limits for growing them at low pressure," says Ferl. "And then we have to understand why those limits exist."

Ferl's group is making progress. "The exciting part of this is, we're beginning to understand what it will take to really use plants in our life support systems." When the time comes to visit Mars, plants in the greenhouse might not be so confused after all.

As for the cooking of the veg

As with all colors of vegetables, the more they're cooked the more vitamins and minerals are lost. The vegetables tend to break down when exposed to heat. "The longer and hotter you cook them, the more nutrients you are likely to lose.

The ideal way to eat vegetables and preserve the biggest amount of nutrients is to eat them raw, but if you are cooking your vegetables, try steaming them either in a steamer or in the microwave. Stir frying also can be a good way to preserve the nutrients. Always use as little water as possible, and avoid boiling vegetables, as the vitamins, minerals and phytochemicals will escape into the water rather than remaining in the vegetables. Also try to keep the vegetables in larger pieces when cooking. The more their surface is exposed to air and/or water, the more likely you will lose those important vitamins and minerals

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how best to cook vegetables harvested on the planet Mars.

"When you get to the idea of growing plants on the moon, or on Mars," explains molecular biologist Rob Ferl, director of Space Agriculture Biotechnology Research and Education at the University of Florida, "then you have to consider the idea of growing plants in as reduced an atmospheric pressure as possible."

There are two reasons. First, it'll help reduce the weight of the supplies that need to be lifted off the earth. Even air has mass.

Second, Martian and lunar greenhouses must hold up in places where the atmospheric pressures are, at best, less than one percent of Earth-normal. Those greenhouses will be easier to construct and operate if their interior pressure is also very low -- perhaps only one-sixteenth of Earth normal.

The problem is, in such extreme low pressures, plants have to work hard to survive. "Remember, plants have no evolutionary preadaption to hypobaria," says Ferl. There's no reason for them to have learned to interpret the biochemical signals induced by low pressure. And, in fact, they don't. They misinterpret them.

Low pressure makes plants act as if they're drying out.

In recent experiments, supported by NASA's Office of Biological and Physical research, Ferl's group exposed young growing plants to pressures of one-tenth Earth normal for about twenty-four hours. In such a low-pressure environment, water is pulled out through the leaves very quickly, and so extra water is needed to replenish it.

But, says Ferl, the plants were given all the water they needed. Even the relative humidity was kept at nearly 100 percent. Nevertheless, the plants' genes that sensed drought were still being activated. Apparently, says Ferl, the plants interpreted the accelerated water movement as drought stress, even though there was no drought at all.

That's bad. Plants are wasting their resources if they expend them trying to deal with a problem that isn't even there. For example, they might close up their stomata -- the tiny holes in their leaves from which water escapes. Or they might drop their leaves altogether. But, those responses aren't necessarily appropriate.

Fortunately, once the plants' responses are understood, researchers can adjust them. "We can make biochemical alterations that change the level of hormones," says Ferl. "We can increase or decrease them to affect the plants' response to its environment."

And, intriguingly, studies have found benefits to a low pressure environment. The mechanism is essentially the same as the one that causes the problems, explains Ferl. In low pressure, not only water, but also plant hormones are flushed from the plant more quickly. So a hormone, for example, that causes plants to die of old age might move through the organism before it takes effect.

eas growing onboard the International Space Station. Ferl's research will improve greenhouses not only on other planets, but also on spaceships.

Astronauts aren't the only ones who will benefit from this research. By controlling air pressure, in, say, an Earth greenhouse or a storage bin, it may be possible to influence certain plant behaviors. For example, if you store fruit at low pressure, it lasts much longer. That's because of the swift elimination of the hormone ethylene, which causes fruit to ripen, and then rot. Farm produce trucked from one coast to the other in low pressure containers might arrive at supermarkets as fresh as if it had been picked that day.

Much work remains to be done. Ferl's team looked at the way plants react to a short period of low pressure. Still to be determined is how plants react to spending longer amounts of time -- like their entire life -- in hypobaric conditions. Ferl also hopes to examine plants at a wider variety of pressures. There are whole suites of genes that are activated at different pressures, he says, and this suggests a surprisingly complex response to low pressure environments.

To learn more about this genetic response, Ferl's group is bioengineering plants whose genes glow green when activated. In addition they are using DNA microchip technology to examine as many as twenty-thousand genes at a time in plants exposed to low pressures.

Rob Ferl in his laboratory at the Center for Space Agricultural Biotechnology Research and Education.

Plants will play an extraordinarily important role in allowing humans to explore destinations like Mars and the moon. They will provide food, oxygen and even good cheer to astronauts far from home. To make the best use of plants off-Earth, "we have to understand the limits for growing them at low pressure," says Ferl. "And then we have to understand why those limits exist."

Ferl's group is making progress. "The exciting part of this is, we're beginning to understand what it will take to really use plants in our life support systems." When the time comes to visit Mars, plants in the greenhouse might not be so confused after all.

As for the cooking of the veg

As with all colors of vegetables, the more they're cooked the more vitamins and minerals are lost. The vegetables tend to break down when exposed to heat. "The longer and hotter you cook them, the more nutrients you are likely to lose.

The ideal way to eat vegetables and preserve the biggest amount of nutrients is to eat them raw, but if you are cooking your vegetables, try steaming them either in a steamer or in the microwave. Stir frying also can be a good way to preserve the nutrients. Always use as little water as possible, and avoid boiling vegetables, as the vitamins, minerals and phytochemicals will escape into the water rather than remaining in the vegetables. Also try to keep the vegetables in larger pieces when cooking. The more their surface is exposed to air and/or water, the more likely you will lose those important vitamins and minerals

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USMartin, just out of interest, do you mind me asking what job you work at? Of course you don't have to answer, but I'm just trying to put together a picture with regard to your personality type.

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Eeeugghh!

Can't you just use your imagination or a picture of some oiled up beefcake from EuroBoy weekly.

I'm sure Martin doesn't want you cracking them off to visions of what he's actually like in real life.

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USMartin, just out of interest, do you mind me asking what job you work at? Of course you don't have to answer, but I'm just trying to put together a picture with regard to your personality type.

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Eeeugghh!

Can't you just use your imagination or a picture of some oiled up beefcake from EuroBoy weekly.

I'm sure Martin doesn't want you cracking them off to visions of what he's actually like in real life.

probably turn out to be a Chilean miner.

Those guys don't have any fantasy left.

[Babu]

I Don't disagree at all Augie. I do beat the same drum a whole lot of time because In my mind it's a drum that needs beating

But maybe the real point here is how exactly do you determine that an issue has nothing at all to do with the Board or how it has run the club recently? I am 100% deadly serious. How exactly do you, do I , does anyone decide that?

As I see it any issue that can be linked backed to decisions about saving money brought on some would say by building the new stadium, other like myself would say by the cash flow crisis created by re-developing Highbury, other have other answers too, can be said to be about the Board and its policies.

The financial situation at Arsenal since 2005 forced the breakup of the Invincibles, the implemnetation of the youth system, further use of the over-30 policy, a tightened wage structure among other things.. Just those things alone impact.......

Hello USMartin, how's it going mate?

Was just passing and saw this, and had to stop by and encourage you.


What you're saying is of course accurate, but there are other factors as well. Chelsea and Roman is a huge factor, and of course the decision to go for a new ground made some of the cost-cutting necessary.

What I wanted to say though is that a forum should be used as a pleasant thing, somewhere to have some fun, chat with similarly inclined people, and get away from the 'real world' for a bit.

You are never going to change anything though. Not just you, by the way, but anyone here. The owners just don't care. They never have done, and they never will. This goes for all football clubs, btw, not just The Arsenal.

Look at all the protests against the owners of ManU, Liverpool, Newcastle, to name just a few. Nothing changes really unless it's really about money. What the fans think doesn't interest them at all.

"Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think" comes to mind.

I was watching Comedy Central ( or something like that ) the other day, and they were talking about sports fans. One of the guys said " We won yesterday", and the other guy replied " No, you didn't win, the team you went to watch won.", and this hit me hard. It just made it so irrelevant, which of course it is. Going to watch 'your team', even if you go to every game for 50 years, is just not important. Not even a tiny bit. No-one would miss one person, in fact I'm not sure if the team would really miss the fans. All this rubbish about the 12th man, and all that. It's just that - rubbish.

Enjoy the game, but realise that it is just a game, 22 grown men running round chasing an inflated pig's bladder.

Enjoy the forum, but realise that it's not real, and is just a way of passing the time, and actually totally irrelevant, although it is quite a pleasant way to interact with people, get information about 'our' club, and should be used as such. It should be a happy place, somewhere you can go to to feel good. There's plenty of worse things than the way our Board is acting. Leeds/pompey come to mind, but even those extreme examples, who really cares? I mean really.

Shankly and his 'life or death, it's more important than that' quote. What a tosser. It is so NOT! ( although I admit I used to believe it was ).

I'm not having a go, by the way, and don't take it the wrong way, but I have visions of another



coming your way.

I went to watch my local team last night, and then came back to see the 2nd half of the Arsenal game on the computer. It was nice, quite enjoyable, but sadly my presence at the game, or my watching the game had no impact on the result at all.

I'm going to South America for a few months in the next couple of days, but hopefully when I get back I will still see you on this forum, and will get in touch then again.

BTW, Fiszman is still not returning my calls, the useless git!

Anyway, ENJOY YOURSELF, it is later than you think.


P.S. A famous german - Sepp Herberger - once said...

Das Runde muss ins Eckige, which translated means ...

The round thing has to go into the rectangular thing.

That's all that matters, and even that isn't that important.

BTW, I believe he also said "the ball is round, and the game lasts 90 mins", and "The next game is the most difficult one" so he knew a bit about it!



P.P.S. By the way, just to say, I agree that The Board are selfish gits, who are only interested in what they can get out of it for themselves now that they've seen that they can profit from it, when before it was just 'dead money', I wish DD would come back, but we can't change how it is now, so better make the most of it, enjoy what we have, and don't take things so seriously.

Don't worry, be happy...or something like that.

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Babu a USMartin alter ego?

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Babu a USMartin alter ego?

Or we've now got fucking two of them!!

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Babu a USMartin alter ego?

Or we've now got fucking two of them!!

If there really are two of them im off of here for a year or five

[DB10GOONER]

Babu a USMartin alter ego?

Looks like he/she is posting from Zurich or relayed through there. Haven't got access to my full secret scooby doo IP tracker in work.

[Henry Norris 1913]

US Martin is bringing in the board consortium to the online gooner

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Babu a USMartin alter ego?

Looks like he/she is posting from Zurich or relayed through there. Haven't got access to my full secret scooby doo IP tracker in work.

SuisseMartin then

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Babu a USMartin alter ego?

Looks like he/she is posting from Zurich or relayed through there. Haven't got access to my full secret scooby doo IP tracker in work.

SuisseMartin then

[frankbutcher]

Babu a USMartin alter ego?

Looks like he/she is posting from Zurich or relayed through there. Haven't got access to my full secret scooby doo IP tracker in work.

SuisseMartin then

Danny Fiszman lives in Switzerland

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Babu a USMartin alter ego?

Looks like he/she is posting from Zurich or relayed through there. Haven't got access to my full secret scooby doo IP tracker in work.

SuisseMartin then

Danny Fiszman lives in Switzerland

USMartin and his buddys have been found out