You might be right. You're more likely to be right than JD!the playing mantis wrote:wish i hadnt started all this.....![]()
however ukip are not so much a joke party, we would not be fooked without europe, a norwegian/swiss style arrangment, in the eea and efta, would suit us much better, we are net contributors to the EU. plus nigel farage is quite funny. if we adopted certain ukip policies we would solve certain issues straight up, unskilled unrestricted mass immigtation that has overpopulated us and put a ridculous strain on infrasture and services, joke justice and civil liberties laws, stupid environmental laws, commiting us to reneawbles that are doubling our energy bills....etc etc
we do need a super tax on the rich and crackdown on tax avoisation by certain multinationals, vodafone anyone???
likewise the devoluion point about north sea oil - thats a rum drum, north sea oil, that would be under scotland jurisdition will run out in the not too distant future and wont support them financially for long. have you not read the economist? i suppose you know better than people who are paid to analyise such things. a devolved scotland would be fooked, and england would benefit. likewise the irriatating and unfair west lothian question would cease to be. however liberals/moderate left (nowadays the so called liberals are more left wing than the historical left parties, they are no longer SDP centrists) dont like the thought of a devolved scotland as in an instant it would undermine the ability of future labour gov's being elected. england is mostly conservative, FACT! look at the voting patterns. although now the tories are not really tories now how long that will remain is anyones guess.
Political views of realists and rosetinters
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er not really unprecedentedfrankbutcher wrote:Keynsianism is a theory. Doesn't mean it's right. We are in an unprecedented global recession.
we had a global (great) recession before
and Keynsian economic policies (well Keynes himself) got us out of it
inflicting savage austerity is a theory with far fewer examples
when it has been tried, only examples are inflicted by the IMF on developing but indebted economies, it has without exception failed
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highburyJD wrote:er not really unprecedentedfrankbutcher wrote:Keynsianism is a theory. Doesn't mean it's right. We are in an unprecedented global recession.
we had a global (great) recession before
and Keynsian economic policies (well Keynes himself) got us out of it
inflicting savage austerity is a theory with far fewer examples
when it has been tried, only examples I know were inflicted by the IMF on developing but indebted economies, it has without exception failed
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But it's not savage though. The cuts are pretty minor.highburyJD wrote:er not really unprecedentedfrankbutcher wrote:Keynsianism is a theory. Doesn't mean it's right. We are in an unprecedented global recession.
we had a global (great) recession before
and Keynsian economic policies (well Keynes himself) got us out of it
inflicting savage austerity is a theory with far fewer examples
when it has been tried, only examples are inflicted by the IMF on developing but indebted economies, it has without exception failed
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it might work eventually!!! gotta keep trying!
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isn't even worth debatingfrankbutcher wrote:But it's not savage though. The cuts are pretty minor.
only read the first line of stats piece you link to - figures going back only to post war
the last great recession was pre-WWI
so instantly not really the figures one would look for...
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You're a right pratt. Not just on this thread, but on every other thread.highburyJD wrote:isn't even worth debatingfrankbutcher wrote:But it's not savage though. The cuts are pretty minor.
only read the first line of stats piece you link to - figures going back only to post war
the last great recession was pre-WWI
so instantly not really the figures one would look for...
YOU'VE GOT AN EXCUSE FOR EVERYTHING BUT A SOLUTION TO NOTHING.
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strange accusation, what have I excused?frankbutcher wrote:YOU'VE GOT AN EXCUSE FOR EVERYTHING BUT A SOLUTION TO NOTHING.
def don't excuse your economic ignorance
but no I have not offered a specific 'solution' to our economic woes - I don't have one
all I have is what the tories have: a set of ideological preconceptions that my economic policies would be based on irrespective of the situation
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highburyJD wrote:strange accusation, what have I excused?frankbutcher wrote:YOU'VE GOT AN EXCUSE FOR EVERYTHING BUT A SOLUTION TO NOTHING.
def don't excuse your economic ignorance
but no I have not offered a specific 'solution' to our economic woes - I don't have one
all I have is what the tories have: a set of ideological preconceptions that my economic policies would be based on irrespective of the situation







You're a pratt then. How can you criticise austerity if you have no alternative? You are literally an impersonation of Labour.






Oh, we should invest....

Where? And with what money?
Oh, I don't know. Do what Keynes did. The New Deal. Build the Hoover Dam.....


What a crock of shit you are.








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I can see this thread ending well 

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This is like World War One, a war of attrition
Whos gonna wave the white flag first?
and McDowell bring back the spreadable butter thread a lot me interest
in that one

Whos gonna wave the white flag first?

and McDowell bring back the spreadable butter thread a lot me interest

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I said I thought this place needed a Norman Wisdom thread to kick start it again........flash gunner wrote:This is like World War One, a war of attrition![]()
Whos gonna wave the white flag first?![]()
and McDowell bring back the spreadable butter thread a lot me interestin that one


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frankbutcher wrote:I said I thought this place needed a Norman Wisdom thread to kick start it again........flash gunner wrote:This is like World War One, a war of attrition![]()
Whos gonna wave the white flag first?![]()
and McDowell bring back the spreadable butter thread a lot me interestin that one
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if only someone could kick start norman

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frankbutcher wrote:I said I thought this place needed a Norman Wisdom thread to kick start it again........flash gunner wrote:This is like World War One, a war of attrition![]()
Whos gonna wave the white flag first?![]()
and McDowell bring back the spreadable butter thread a lot me interestin that one
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Well done youre officially the new ****
