THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov, Finances, AGM etc.

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USMANOV OR KRONKE?

USMANOV
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KRONKE
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No votes
NEITHER
23
28%
 
Total votes: 83

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northbank123 wrote:
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:
northbank123 wrote:£30-40m to turn us into title winners? Let's just take stock and where we're at and think that we're going to be over 20 points off this season (quite possibly about 25).
I would say at the moment we would never win the league without a far better keeper and without doubt a top class striker. We'd then need another winger/striker depending on where Podolski would play. Our centre-backs aren't as bad as our system makes them look but they are all still extremely error-prone and I'd say there's a convincing argument we need another.


I would buy, personally-

Samir Handanovic - £15m
Adil Rami - £12-£14m
Nigel De Jong - £8-10m
Stevan Jovetic - £20-25m

Minimum of £55m Maximum of £64.

So on reflection I was wrong regarding how much it would take but I still think that spending the that amount of money is beneficial in the long run in terms of financial benefits (relating to the knock on effect post, prior)
northbank123 wrote:I'm a big Arteta fan but he's 31 and not a holding midfielder in any event despite doing a decent job there this year - couldn't really rely on him playing 45-odd games there and expecting to win the league.
I too am a big Arteta fan but I feel he is only a squad player these days. He has lost a lot of pace and commits too may fouls, stopping any chance of trying to regain possession when chasing a goal. Bayern away in injury time being a prime example.
So we're talking about min £60m really (and I reckon de Jong we wouldn't get anywhere near that cheap). Plus their wages - average of about £70k would be about £15m a year. And even then that would only allow us to compete, despite all the slating of United they have racked up 89 points last year and possibly 96 this year. Really very difficult to justify it as a financial success.[/quote]


You see, NB123. Your arguements are the stuff of legend,,,, until,,,,,,,this remark

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Adil Rami? Why NB123? He's not as good as Kos who starts ahead of him for France.

With you on Jovetić though. 8)

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1989 - bit of a quoting disaster, it was ATID who said that, fixed now. If I'm being honest I don't watch enough foreign football to have formed any strong opinions on many players beyond what I hear about them.

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1989 wrote:Adil Rami? Why NB123? He's not as good as Kos who starts ahead of him for France.

With you on Jovetić though. 8)
Everytime I've seen Rami, he has been a strong presence at the back for Valencia. Seems to do a good job dominated by a league.

It was just a more general idea for a CB that wasn't shite :barscarf:


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It is getting to a point where Usmanov either should make an overall offer to Kroenke for Arsenal or stop harping on.

I'm getting sick to death of hearing/reading tha Usmanov is planning his next move. Either make it, sit on what you have and shut up or sell to someone else.

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Arsenal Till I Die wrote:
It is getting to a point where Usmanov either should make an overall offer to Kroenke for Arsenal or stop harping on.

I'm getting sick to death of hearing/reading tha Usmanov is planning his next move. Either make it, sit on what you have and shut up or sell to someone else.
Exactly.

Put up or STFU Jabba.

There is no point sniping if you're not going to put some serious wonga on the table.

He is trying to put pressure on us to do his dirty work so he can get the club off Stanley for cheaper than Stanley would consider selling.

As much as it seems silly having a 29% shareholder locked out of boardroom meetings, how can he believe sniping at the club in such a manner in the build up to 3 very important games helps anybody :roll:

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Being honest the fans and usmanov should be working in unison to get rid of kroenke anyway - i already said a few weeks ago that it is high time usmanov put up or shut up.......either buy the club and fcuk Stan out or sell up your shares to the w**ker cos for us fans, usmanov holding 30% of shares is serving no purpose and is doing nothing to change the direction of OUR club :x

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A large part of Usmanov's problem is that he is still viewed negatively by so many of those that are happy with the way things are going. If he starts kicking up a bit of a fuss or generally acting in a manner that Kroenke finds inconvenient, you can bet your bottom dollar that the board will close ranks and disseminate negative propaganda etc regarding Usmanov to damage his stock.

Usmanov is subject to tip-toeing around Kroenke like everybody else involved with the club because if he wants any sort of goodwill from the fans if and when he takes over he's reliant on a smooth transfer from 'our Stan'.

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augie wrote:either buy the club and fcuk Stan out or sell up your shares to the w**ker cos for us fans, usmanov holding 30% of shares is serving no purpose and is doing nothing to change the direction of OUR club :x
No, no. No way do we want Usmanov to leave and sell his shares to Kroneke. Seriously, everyone needs to understand that he is our only hope. If he does go that is our last chance gone. We all know that under the current regime we will NEVER win another league title or win a Champions League.

We already, like a mid table club, know that next season will be a blow out and we have not finished this season yet. The only chance that we can once again sit at the top table is if Kroneke is gone.

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A dallying Gus Caesar wrote:
augie wrote:either buy the club and fcuk Stan out or sell up your shares to the w**ker cos for us fans, usmanov holding 30% of shares is serving no purpose and is doing nothing to change the direction of OUR club :x
No, no. No way do we want Usmanov to leave and sell his shares to Kroneke. Seriously, everyone needs to understand that he is our only hope. If he does go that is our last chance gone. We all know that under the current regime we will NEVER win another league title or win a Champions League.

We already, like a mid table club, know that next season will be a blow out and we have not finished this season yet. The only chance that we can once again sit at the top table is if Kroneke is gone.


Agree 100% but if usmanov sits quietly in the background bidding his time then we as a club will continue to suffer and decline so we gain nothing by usmanov being on 30% :( What will change within the club with a continued 70%-30% ownership ? Fcuk all is what so I just want usmanov to put all his cards on the table and at least try and buy the syrup wearing c.unt out - if he doesnt want to or isnt ready to then he is no good to us

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augie wrote:
A dallying Gus Caesar wrote:
augie wrote:either buy the club and fcuk Stan out or sell up your shares to the w**ker cos for us fans, usmanov holding 30% of shares is serving no purpose and is doing nothing to change the direction of OUR club :x
No, no. No way do we want Usmanov to leave and sell his shares to Kroneke. Seriously, everyone needs to understand that he is our only hope. If he does go that is our last chance gone. We all know that under the current regime we will NEVER win another league title or win a Champions League.

We already, like a mid table club, know that next season will be a blow out and we have not finished this season yet. The only chance that we can once again sit at the top table is if Kroneke is gone.


Agree 100% but if usmanov sits quietly in the background bidding his time then we as a club will continue to suffer and decline so we gain nothing by usmanov being on 30% :( What will change within the club with a continued 70%-30% ownership ? Fcuk all is what so I just want usmanov to put all his cards on the table and at least try and buy the syrup wearing c.unt out - if he doesnt want to or isnt ready to then he is no good to us
I don't understand what Usmanov's game is, he has been sniffing around the club long before Kroenke appeared on the scene. As much as I would like him to put his money where his mouth is, I don't think he will and is quite happy to reap his dividends without the aggro of board membership and even more so, ownership.
In short he is no different to the rest of them and his gesturing is nothing but just that "gesturing".

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Thats my point sid......all the talking to the press comments mean zilch if he doesnt back it up with real action - usmanov was/is my last real hope and I was/am pinning everything on him buying our club and changing the policies and directions and make us great again. Tbh I no longer have full confidence in him making these moves

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goonersid wrote: I don't understand what Usmanov's game is, he has been sniffing around the club long before Kroenke appeared on the scene. As much as I would like him to put his money where his mouth is, I don't think he will and is quite happy to reap his dividends without the aggro of board membership and even more so, ownership.
In short he is no different to the rest of them and his gesturing is nothing but just that "gesturing".
Tell me you are joking sid.Happy to reap his dividends without the aggro of ownership,he is the richest man in Britain what dividends does he make from Arsenal that would make a difference to his vast wealth.Why would he be afraid of ownership he is a great businessman who is worth £4billion more than Roman.Usmanov with 30% of the shares is not even offered a seat on the board.If he had no love for Arsenal he could buy Liverpool or Spurs tomorrow and blow us out of the water like Chelsea did.He hasnt and he wont.

The problem lies with the fanbase who bend over and let Kroenke take them from behind

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Don I don't see how Usmanov not being in charge is that fans fault :? (if that's what you meant).

Even the most ardent of Wenger fans don't have any positivity towards our owner (given that in their view it's the board that's the problem). Besides, Kroenke knew he would be fucking unpopular and only comes across for a few days a year, only facing the fans at the AGM which is pretty tame really, and even there he's shielded by the other cretins. The only thing that will make him sell up is money.

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