Donald Trump, Getdafuckoutahere! And take your pussymouth with you!

[nut flush gooner]

Lets pull no punches here folks what happened in Normandy recently is now a game changer, Attacking an innocent man who served his own god for the majority of his living life is barbaric and completely unjust. make no mistake about it These *word censored* will get the fight they are looking for and it wont end well for them when trump (and he will) gets in to power.

Don't you take any notice of what happens every time we meddle in the Middle East. ISIS is a consequence of a war that should never have taken place versus Saddam Hussein. So the Americans couldn't take out Al Qaeda, what chance do you think they have of taking out ISIS who are infinitely more sophisticated.

I look forward to hearing "General Trumps" ideas for eradicating ISIS.

Trump is a lunatic plain and simple, if this guy gets in to power then you can expect mass deployments of us troops heading to Syria. Yes they have a global network of idiots but if you have been keeping up with latest developments you will know that isis are now asking the extremists to either return back to Syria or to join them in there "religious war" to fight as the Kurds are making huge strides in to Syria and destroying a lot of there network out there.

Yes and they will get a pasting just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. It wouldn't be a conventional war it would be a guerilla war. Suicide bombers, IEDs you name it ISIS will throw this at the Americans or anyone else that goes into their back yard.

Just because Trump is President he might give the orders but he doesn't execute military strategy. I think anyone who has this sort of mindset should go out there and fight them himself, rather than expect the families of fallen serviceman to suffer as we have seen both in the UK and the US over the last 15 years.

I don't want to cause offence here flush but I am taking that when you refer to the mindset part you are referring to me so ill answer in kind.
My opinion or "mindset" as you put it is solely based on my perception and many Americans for that case of trump and the numerous outlandish statements he has made since running for president. This is a man that wants to build a wall between America and Mexico ffs

If the u.s were to get attacked and he was in office he would respond in kind and believe me it would be to a greater extent than any previous administration in us history. If you are of the thinking that bush and blair were bad then believe me trump will me a million times worse.

Lastly you mention that I should "go and fight them myself". unfortunately even if I was to join the Irish army we hold a strong neutrality stance against war, I am quite aware also of the fallen serviceman families have suffered, because its effected my own family to a big extent.

You just don't get it do you. Every war that has been raged in the Middle East has at worst been left with stalemate situation. The Russians who have far more Military might than the Americans got battered in the 80s in Afghanistan. They left with their tails between their legs.

No matter what type of war Trump wages, it will be exactly the same outcome as every other one for the last 30 years. Just because he's a lunatic it doesn't make any difference, unless he chooses to go nuclear and we all know what will happen then.

[enjibenji]

Don't you take any notice of what happens every time we meddle in the Middle East. ISIS is a consequence of a war that should never have taken place versus Saddam Hussein. So the Americans couldn't take out Al Qaeda, what chance do you think they have of taking out ISIS who are infinitely more sophisticated.

I look forward to hearing "General Trumps" ideas for eradicating ISIS.

Trump is a lunatic plain and simple, if this guy gets in to power then you can expect mass deployments of us troops heading to Syria. Yes they have a global network of idiots but if you have been keeping up with latest developments you will know that isis are now asking the extremists to either return back to Syria or to join them in there "religious war" to fight as the Kurds are making huge strides in to Syria and destroying a lot of there network out there.

Yes and they will get a pasting just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. It wouldn't be a conventional war it would be a guerilla war. Suicide bombers, IEDs you name it ISIS will throw this at the Americans or anyone else that goes into their back yard.

Just because Trump is President he might give the orders but he doesn't execute military strategy. I think anyone who has this sort of mindset should go out there and fight them himself, rather than expect the families of fallen serviceman to suffer as we have seen both in the UK and the US over the last 15 years.

I don't want to cause offence here flush but I am taking that when you refer to the mindset part you are referring to me so ill answer in kind.
My opinion or "mindset" as you put it is solely based on my perception and many Americans for that case of trump and the numerous outlandish statements he has made since running for president. This is a man that wants to build a wall between America and Mexico ffs

If the u.s were to get attacked and he was in office he would respond in kind and believe me it would be to a greater extent than any previous administration in us history. If you are of the thinking that bush and blair were bad then believe me trump will me a million times worse.

Lastly you mention that I should "go and fight them myself". unfortunately even if I was to join the Irish army we hold a strong neutrality stance against war, I am quite aware also of the fallen serviceman families have suffered, because its effected my own family to a big extent.

You just don't get it do you. Every war that has been raged in the Middle East has at worst been left with stalemate situation. The Russians who have far more Military might than the Americans got battered in the 80s in Afghanistan. They left with their tails between their legs.

No matter what type of war Trump wages, it will be exactly the same outcome as every other one for the last 30 years. Just because he's a lunatic it doesn't make any difference, unless he chooses to go nuclear and we all know what will happen then.

Lunatic and nuclear in the same sentence, is it starting to make sense now !?

We can argue all day about this pal, you have your opinion and I have mine

[GranadaJoe]

Don't you take any notice of what happens every time we meddle in the Middle East. ISIS is a consequence of a war that should never have taken place versus Saddam Hussein. So the Americans couldn't take out Al Qaeda, what chance do you think they have of taking out ISIS who are infinitely more sophisticated.

I look forward to hearing "General Trumps" ideas for eradicating ISIS.

Trump is a lunatic plain and simple, if this guy gets in to power then you can expect mass deployments of us troops heading to Syria. Yes they have a global network of idiots but if you have been keeping up with latest developments you will know that isis are now asking the extremists to either return back to Syria or to join them in there "religious war" to fight as the Kurds are making huge strides in to Syria and destroying a lot of there network out there.

Yes and they will get a pasting just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. It wouldn't be a conventional war it would be a guerilla war. Suicide bombers, IEDs you name it ISIS will throw this at the Americans or anyone else that goes into their back yard.

Just because Trump is President he might give the orders but he doesn't execute military strategy. I think anyone who has this sort of mindset should go out there and fight them himself, rather than expect the families of fallen serviceman to suffer as we have seen both in the UK and the US over the last 15 years.

I don't want to cause offence here flush but I am taking that when you refer to the mindset part you are referring to me so ill answer in kind.
My opinion or "mindset" as you put it is solely based on my perception and many Americans for that case of trump and the numerous outlandish statements he has made since running for president. This is a man that wants to build a wall between America and Mexico ffs

If the u.s were to get attacked and he was in office he would respond in kind and believe me it would be to a greater extent than any previous administration in us history. If you are of the thinking that bush and blair were bad then believe me trump will me a million times worse.

Lastly you mention that I should "go and fight them myself". unfortunately even if I was to join the Irish army we hold a strong neutrality stance against war, I am quite aware also of the fallen serviceman families have suffered, because its effected my own family to a big extent.

You just don't get it do you. Every war that has been raged in the Middle East has at worst been left with stalemate situation. The Russians who have far more Military might than the Americans got battered in the 80s in Afghanistan. They left with their tails between their legs.

No matter what type of war Trump wages, it will be exactly the same outcome as every other one for the last 30 years. Just because he's a lunatic it doesn't make any difference, unless he chooses to go nuclear and we all know what will happen then.

It might not make a difference on the geopolitical stage but the inhabitants of Arab villages that get flattened and the families of servicemen who get killed might think their worlds have changed.
As the ex-mayor of NY said last night,"better to elect the sane competent one".

[DB10GOONER]

Don't you take any notice of what happens every time we meddle in the Middle East. ISIS is a consequence of a war that should never have taken place versus Saddam Hussein. So the Americans couldn't take out Al Qaeda, what chance do you think they have of taking out ISIS who are infinitely more sophisticated.

I look forward to hearing "General Trumps" ideas for eradicating ISIS.

Trump is a lunatic plain and simple, if this guy gets in to power then you can expect mass deployments of us troops heading to Syria. Yes they have a global network of idiots but if you have been keeping up with latest developments you will know that isis are now asking the extremists to either return back to Syria or to join them in there "religious war" to fight as the Kurds are making huge strides in to Syria and destroying a lot of there network out there.

Yes and they will get a pasting just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. It wouldn't be a conventional war it would be a guerilla war. Suicide bombers, IEDs you name it ISIS will throw this at the Americans or anyone else that goes into their back yard.

Just because Trump is President he might give the orders but he doesn't execute military strategy. I think anyone who has this sort of mindset should go out there and fight them himself, rather than expect the families of fallen serviceman to suffer as we have seen both in the UK and the US over the last 15 years.

I don't want to cause offence here flush but I am taking that when you refer to the mindset part you are referring to me so ill answer in kind.
My opinion or "mindset" as you put it is solely based on my perception and many Americans for that case of trump and the numerous outlandish statements he has made since running for president. This is a man that wants to build a wall between America and Mexico ffs

If the u.s were to get attacked and he was in office he would respond in kind and believe me it would be to a greater extent than any previous administration in us history. If you are of the thinking that bush and blair were bad then believe me trump will me a million times worse.

Lastly you mention that I should "go and fight them myself". unfortunately even if I was to join the Irish army we hold a strong neutrality stance against war, I am quite aware also of the fallen serviceman families have suffered, because its effected my own family to a big extent.

You just don't get it do you. Every war that has been raged in the Middle East has at worst been left with stalemate situation. The Russians who have far more Military might than the Americans got battered in the 80s in Afghanistan. They left with their tails between their legs.

No matter what type of war Trump wages, it will be exactly the same outcome as every other one for the last 30 years. Just because he's a lunatic it doesn't make any difference, unless he chooses to go nuclear and we all know what will happen then.

Sorry but you are absolutely incorrect in that statement. The Soviets only had more man power - their technology, equipment and tactics were years behind the USA, and the hiding they took in Afghanistan was one of the early causes for the Soviet Union's eventual collapse. It became very obvious to both the Soviets and the Americans that any conventional conflict would see the Soviets easily beaten, leaving only the concept of nuclear war and "MAD". The myth of the "fearful" Soviet military machine was exposed as an antiquated mess populated by demotivated draftees that weren't well fed or trained, often went underpaid and at times not paid, and had poor quality weapons systems and terrible tactics, strategy and chain of command structures.

You have to remember that initially the American military had great success in Afghanistan (mostly by utilisiing 12 man Special Forces A-Teams), wiping out thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, retaking cities and ultimately the country. They had basically won the war. The problem was that the Bush administration opened up a second front too soon in Iraq and diverted too much "specialised" manpower, military support and hardware from Afghanistan. This led to the US military and government admin hastily setting up poor quality Afghani defence forces and local government admin that were not motivated to fight for a "greater" Afghanistan because of the tribal nature of that country.

Politically they lost the war, but militarily they won it - in the short term. Which often happens when unqualified politicians make military decisions.

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

Trump is a lunatic plain and simple, if this guy gets in to power then you can expect mass deployments of us troops heading to Syria. Yes they have a global network of idiots but if you have been keeping up with latest developments you will know that isis are now asking the extremists to either return back to Syria or to join them in there "religious war" to fight as the Kurds are making huge strides in to Syria and destroying a lot of there network out there.

Yes and they will get a pasting just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. It wouldn't be a conventional war it would be a guerilla war. Suicide bombers, IEDs you name it ISIS will throw this at the Americans or anyone else that goes into their back yard.

Just because Trump is President he might give the orders but he doesn't execute military strategy. I think anyone who has this sort of mindset should go out there and fight them himself, rather than expect the families of fallen serviceman to suffer as we have seen both in the UK and the US over the last 15 years.

I don't want to cause offence here flush but I am taking that when you refer to the mindset part you are referring to me so ill answer in kind.
My opinion or "mindset" as you put it is solely based on my perception and many Americans for that case of trump and the numerous outlandish statements he has made since running for president. This is a man that wants to build a wall between America and Mexico ffs

If the u.s were to get attacked and he was in office he would respond in kind and believe me it would be to a greater extent than any previous administration in us history. If you are of the thinking that bush and blair were bad then believe me trump will me a million times worse.

Lastly you mention that I should "go and fight them myself". unfortunately even if I was to join the Irish army we hold a strong neutrality stance against war, I am quite aware also of the fallen serviceman families have suffered, because its effected my own family to a big extent.

You just don't get it do you. Every war that has been raged in the Middle East has at worst been left with stalemate situation. The Russians who have far more Military might than the Americans got battered in the 80s in Afghanistan. They left with their tails between their legs.

No matter what type of war Trump wages, it will be exactly the same outcome as every other one for the last 30 years. Just because he's a lunatic it doesn't make any difference, unless he chooses to go nuclear and we all know what will happen then.

Sorry but you are absolutely incorrect in that statement. The Soviets only had more man power - their technology, equipment and tactics were years behind the USA, and the hiding they took in Afghanistan was one of the early causes for the Soviet Union's eventual collapse. It became very obvious to both the Soviets and the Americans that any conventional conflict would see the Soviets easily beaten, leaving only the concept of nuclear war and "MAD". The myth of the "fearful" Soviet military machine was exposed as an antiquated mess populated by demotivated draftees that weren't well fed or trained, often went underpaid and at times not paid, and had poor quality weapons systems and terrible tactics, strategy and chain of command structures.

You have to remember that initially the American military had great success in Afghanistan (mostly by utilisiing 12 man Special Forces A-Teams), wiping out thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, retaking cities and ultimately the country. They had basically won the war. The problem was that the Bush administration opened up a second front too soon in Iraq and diverted too much "specialised" manpower, military support and hardware from Afghanistan. This led to the US military and government admin hastily setting up poor quality Afghani defence forces and local government admin that were not motivated to fight for a "greater" Afghanistan because of the tribal nature of that country.

Politically they lost the war, but militarily they won it - in the short term. Which often happens when unqualified politicians make military decisions.

Good post, and accurate.

We still have by far the most advanced military in the world, let's not pretend otherwise. Now imagine giving Donald fucking Trump the power of that military, with his temper of a 8 year old school boy who just had his ball taken away. Scary for anyone, including us sane Americans.


Thankfully Obama saved Hillary's ass at the Democratic Convention the other night and Hillary did a decent job trying to pull in the Bernie Sanders supporters. I don't like Hillary at all. But I will exercise my right to vote and give it to her simply because the other candidate would lead the world down a path that I don't think we need to go down.

[the playing mantis]

as this has descended into a middle east thread, noting will change unless people face facts and look at whos funding isis. its our great allies saudi arabia.

the lack of action by the arab states, a few bombing raids is hardly action, is shocking. the iranians woud love to get boots on the ground but if they did they would be slaugthered politically and sanctions wise again. the saudis and iran are figthing a proxy war now, but it was initially started by saudi (and other fellow creed of islam countries) backing. this mess will only end when the oil runs out or the west finds an alternative. then we can have no interest and let the middle east fight it out between each other (would also involve israel probably nuking the whole lot but thats another matter)

yes western interbentio in the middle east has been a disasater but the arab spring, that i bet chippy and and nfg were hailing as great has also caused all this cock up. had we allowed assad to stamp on what was an illegal uprising by terrorists isis would not exist as they do. yes al quaeda would but terrorism would not have esclaated as it has. loo at syria under assad before, yes there was a hardline undemocratic regime under assad and the baath party who persercuted small minorites (but possibly rightly so based on whats happened since), but also a fairly secular modern, prosperous, safe even for westerners, liberal in middle east terms, country that was somewhat werstern facing with the majority of the population safe. now its back intnhe stoneage and will remian so, because the west and the saudis supported and gave arms to a small minority of uprisers who are simply terrorists.

[GoonerMuzz]

as this has descended into a middle east thread, noting will change unless people face facts and look at whos funding isis. its our great allies saudi arabia.

the lack of action by the arab states, a few bombing raids is hardly action, is shocking. the iranians woud love to get boots on the ground but if they did they would be slaugthered politically and sanctions wise again. the saudis and iran are figthing a proxy war now, but it was initially started by saudi (and other fellow creed of islam countries) backing. this mess will only end when the oil runs out or the west finds an alternative. then we can have no interest and let the middle east fight it out between each other (would also involve israel probably nuking the whole lot but thats another matter)

yes western interbentio in the middle east has been a disasater but the arab spring, that i bet chippy and and nfg were hailing as great has also caused all this cock up. had we allowed assad to stamp on what was an illegal uprising by terrorists isis would not exist as they do. yes al quaeda would but terrorism would not have esclaated as it has. loo at syria under assad before, yes there was a hardline undemocratic regime under assad and the baath party who persercuted small minorites (but possibly rightly so based on whats happened since), but also a fairly secular modern, prosperous, safe even for westerners, liberal in middle east terms, country that was somewhat werstern facing with the majority of the population safe. now its back intnhe stoneage and will remian so, because the west and the saudis supported and gave arms to a small minority of uprisers who are simply terrorists.

Trump is a nutter and god help us if he comes to power but as more and more terrorist related acts happen across Europe i actually believe he had a point in what he said about working out who was who in the Muslim community before he let anymore in (even if he was not really saying what he meant).

Here in Europe some countries are now reaping what was sown by people like Merkel working with an open door policy for the refugees, much as those people were suffering a humanitarian nightmare Europe as a whole should have been much quicker to act and taken much more care over who exactly was coming in.

Even if only a few in every 10,000 have terrorist affiliations that is a lot of potentially dangerous people running around Europe unaccounted for, as the IRA said after Brighton 'we only have to be lucky once, you have to be lucky always', much as i disagreed with many of Cameron's policies his decision to only take them from the camps where they could be much better vetted looks like it might have been the right one after all.

Back to Trump, he panders to the crowd and says what he feels a decent proportion of the American people seem to want to hear but i think a lot of people are under estimating him because of that, there would appear to be a lot of Americans (looking from the outside in anyway) who agree with his message and that is quite worrying for international stability

[GranadaJoe]

Islam is up there with Catholicism as the worst of the major religions, and in general I believe that the bleeding-heart liberals and SJWs have given Islam way too much leeway, which has exacerbated the problem.

However, Trump is definitely stigmatizing all Muslims, and that will drum up generalised hate and probably violence. It's how Hitler started with the Jews. It's lowest common denominator politics at its worst and I think he's being very cynical because he knows it's empty rhetoric.
What's he going to do when he's identified all the Muslims? Ask them if they're ISIS? Give them a lie-detector test? Intern them? Make them wear a tag?

The situation is bad but trump does not have the solution.

Imagine if we went back to the 70s and substituted IRA for ISIS and Irish for Muslim.

[GoonerMuzz]

Islam is up there with Catholicism as the worst of the major religions, and in general I believe that the bleeding-heart liberals and SJWs have given Islam way too much leeway, which has exacerbated the problem.

However, Trump is definitely stigmatizing all Muslims, and that will drum up generalised hate and probably violence. It's how Hitler started with the Jews. It's lowest common denominator politics at its worst and I think he's being very cynical because he knows it's empty rhetoric.
What's he going to do when he's identified all the Muslims? Ask them if they're ISIS? Give them a lie-detector test? Intern them? Make them wear a tag?

The situation is bad but trump does not have the solution.

Imagine if we went back to the 70s and substituted IRA for ISIS and Irish for Muslim.

It doesn't matter whether we think he is right or wrong as we are not voting for him, but a good proportion of Americans seem to be and that is worrying if not downright frightening for where it might lead them.

As for the attacks recently, the major issue i have is the denial that many followers seem to have that this is being done in a certain religions name, lets be honest if a Christian or a Jew walked into Mecca during Hajj with a bomb strapped to his chest and detonated it the outrage from the Islamic world would be immense yet when proponents of Islam, and they are such whether many want to admit it or not, do what they've been doing recently the Islamic world deny it is anything to do with their religion.

Everyone from both sides of this divide need to start talking about it instead of avoiding it so as not to hurt any feelings or offend each other, otherwise it will keep spiralling and revenge incidents will happen and that scares the hell out of me.

[nut flush gooner]

Yes and they will get a pasting just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. It wouldn't be a conventional war it would be a guerilla war. Suicide bombers, IEDs you name it ISIS will throw this at the Americans or anyone else that goes into their back yard.

Just because Trump is President he might give the orders but he doesn't execute military strategy. I think anyone who has this sort of mindset should go out there and fight them himself, rather than expect the families of fallen serviceman to suffer as we have seen both in the UK and the US over the last 15 years.

I don't want to cause offence here flush but I am taking that when you refer to the mindset part you are referring to me so ill answer in kind.
My opinion or "mindset" as you put it is solely based on my perception and many Americans for that case of trump and the numerous outlandish statements he has made since running for president. This is a man that wants to build a wall between America and Mexico ffs

If the u.s were to get attacked and he was in office he would respond in kind and believe me it would be to a greater extent than any previous administration in us history. If you are of the thinking that bush and blair were bad then believe me trump will me a million times worse.

Lastly you mention that I should "go and fight them myself". unfortunately even if I was to join the Irish army we hold a strong neutrality stance against war, I am quite aware also of the fallen serviceman families have suffered, because its effected my own family to a big extent.

You just don't get it do you. Every war that has been raged in the Middle East has at worst been left with stalemate situation. The Russians who have far more Military might than the Americans got battered in the 80s in Afghanistan. They left with their tails between their legs.

No matter what type of war Trump wages, it will be exactly the same outcome as every other one for the last 30 years. Just because he's a lunatic it doesn't make any difference, unless he chooses to go nuclear and we all know what will happen then.

Sorry but you are absolutely incorrect in that statement. The Soviets only had more man power - their technology, equipment and tactics were years behind the USA, and the hiding they took in Afghanistan was one of the early causes for the Soviet Union's eventual collapse. It became very obvious to both the Soviets and the Americans that any conventional conflict would see the Soviets easily beaten, leaving only the concept of nuclear war and "MAD". The myth of the "fearful" Soviet military machine was exposed as an antiquated mess populated by demotivated draftees that weren't well fed or trained, often went underpaid and at times not paid, and had poor quality weapons systems and terrible tactics, strategy and chain of command structures.

You have to remember that initially the American military had great success in Afghanistan (mostly by utilisiing 12 man Special Forces A-Teams), wiping out thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, retaking cities and ultimately the country. They had basically won the war. The problem was that the Bush administration opened up a second front too soon in Iraq and diverted too much "specialised" manpower, military support and hardware from Afghanistan. This led to the US military and government admin hastily setting up poor quality Afghani defence forces and local government admin that were not motivated to fight for a "greater" Afghanistan because of the tribal nature of that country.

Politically they lost the war, but militarily they won it - in the short term. Which often happens when unqualified politicians make military decisions.

Good post, and accurate.

We still have by far the most advanced military in the world, let's not pretend otherwise. Now imagine giving Donald fucking Trump the power of that military, with his temper of a 8 year old school boy who just had his ball taken away. Scary for anyone, including us sane Americans.


Thankfully Obama saved Hillary's ass at the Democratic Convention the other night and Hillary did a decent job trying to pull in the Bernie Sanders supporters. I don't like Hillary at all. But I will exercise my right to vote and give it to her simply because the other candidate would lead the world down a path that I don't think we need to go down.

Really, ok I'll take your word for it but your reply smacks of God bless America and we are the best, when your country is truly fucked with so many issues before you start looking at terrorism or the Middle East. If the western world hates Muslims they also despise the arrogance of the yanks. Obama was a shining light but it seems like you lot are heading into the abyss regardless of who you pick. It really is a case of picking the best of a bad duo.

Regardless, both the yanks and Russians arguably (note the use of the word) have the greatest military might in the world and both countries made a pigs ear out of wars in the Middle East, I also don't buy your story about Afghanistan. The yanks didn't fight those wars alone, they were part of a coalition. I think there's just a few excuses there, you where never going to defeat the taliban no matter how many of them you wiped out.

The second amendment has to be the most retarded piece of legislation that exists in the western world. It's a shame Obama couldn't do anything about this.

Who would have thought the online gooner would be invaded by yanks ehh, but that is symptomatic of how our club has lost it's soul. I am sure a lot of gooners would go back to Highbury in a shot if they knew how things panned out over the last 10 years. The Americans have ruined our club.

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

I don't want to cause offence here flush but I am taking that when you refer to the mindset part you are referring to me so ill answer in kind.
My opinion or "mindset" as you put it is solely based on my perception and many Americans for that case of trump and the numerous outlandish statements he has made since running for president. This is a man that wants to build a wall between America and Mexico ffs

If the u.s were to get attacked and he was in office he would respond in kind and believe me it would be to a greater extent than any previous administration in us history. If you are of the thinking that bush and blair were bad then believe me trump will me a million times worse.

Lastly you mention that I should "go and fight them myself". unfortunately even if I was to join the Irish army we hold a strong neutrality stance against war, I am quite aware also of the fallen serviceman families have suffered, because its effected my own family to a big extent.

You just don't get it do you. Every war that has been raged in the Middle East has at worst been left with stalemate situation. The Russians who have far more Military might than the Americans got battered in the 80s in Afghanistan. They left with their tails between their legs.

No matter what type of war Trump wages, it will be exactly the same outcome as every other one for the last 30 years. Just because he's a lunatic it doesn't make any difference, unless he chooses to go nuclear and we all know what will happen then.

Sorry but you are absolutely incorrect in that statement. The Soviets only had more man power - their technology, equipment and tactics were years behind the USA, and the hiding they took in Afghanistan was one of the early causes for the Soviet Union's eventual collapse. It became very obvious to both the Soviets and the Americans that any conventional conflict would see the Soviets easily beaten, leaving only the concept of nuclear war and "MAD". The myth of the "fearful" Soviet military machine was exposed as an antiquated mess populated by demotivated draftees that weren't well fed or trained, often went underpaid and at times not paid, and had poor quality weapons systems and terrible tactics, strategy and chain of command structures.

You have to remember that initially the American military had great success in Afghanistan (mostly by utilisiing 12 man Special Forces A-Teams), wiping out thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, retaking cities and ultimately the country. They had basically won the war. The problem was that the Bush administration opened up a second front too soon in Iraq and diverted too much "specialised" manpower, military support and hardware from Afghanistan. This led to the US military and government admin hastily setting up poor quality Afghani defence forces and local government admin that were not motivated to fight for a "greater" Afghanistan because of the tribal nature of that country.

Politically they lost the war, but militarily they won it - in the short term. Which often happens when unqualified politicians make military decisions.

Good post, and accurate.

We still have by far the most advanced military in the world, let's not pretend otherwise. Now imagine giving Donald fucking Trump the power of that military, with his temper of a 8 year old school boy who just had his ball taken away. Scary for anyone, including us sane Americans.


Thankfully Obama saved Hillary's ass at the Democratic Convention the other night and Hillary did a decent job trying to pull in the Bernie Sanders supporters. I don't like Hillary at all. But I will exercise my right to vote and give it to her simply because the other candidate would lead the world down a path that I don't think we need to go down.

Really, ok I'll take your word for it but your reply smacks of God bless America and we are the best, when your country is truly fucked with so many issues before you start looking at terrorism or the Middle East. If the western world hates Muslims they also despise the arrogance of the yanks. Obama was a shining light but it seems like you lot are heading into the abyss regardless of who you pick. It really is a case of picking the best of a bad duo.

Regardless, both the yanks and Russians arguably (note the use of the word) have the greatest military might in the world and both countries made a pigs ear out of wars in the Middle East, I also don't buy your story about Afghanistan. The yanks didn't fight those wars alone, they were part of a coalition. I think there's just a few excuses there, you where never going to defeat the taliban no matter how many of them you wiped out.

The second amendment has to be the most retarded piece of legislation that exists in the western world. It's a shame Obama couldn't do anything about this.

Who would have thought the online gooner would be invaded by yanks ehh, but that is symptomatic of how our club has lost it's soul. I am sure a lot of gooners would go back to Highbury in a shot if they knew how things panned out over the last 10 years. The Americans have ruined our club.

You're full of shit. And I've been on this forum 4 years prior to you. So fuck off with YOUR arrogant bullshit.

[the playing mantis]

You just don't get it do you. Every war that has been raged in the Middle East has at worst been left with stalemate situation. The Russians who have far more Military might than the Americans got battered in the 80s in Afghanistan. They left with their tails between their legs.

No matter what type of war Trump wages, it will be exactly the same outcome as every other one for the last 30 years. Just because he's a lunatic it doesn't make any difference, unless he chooses to go nuclear and we all know what will happen then.

Sorry but you are absolutely incorrect in that statement. The Soviets only had more man power - their technology, equipment and tactics were years behind the USA, and the hiding they took in Afghanistan was one of the early causes for the Soviet Union's eventual collapse. It became very obvious to both the Soviets and the Americans that any conventional conflict would see the Soviets easily beaten, leaving only the concept of nuclear war and "MAD". The myth of the "fearful" Soviet military machine was exposed as an antiquated mess populated by demotivated draftees that weren't well fed or trained, often went underpaid and at times not paid, and had poor quality weapons systems and terrible tactics, strategy and chain of command structures.

You have to remember that initially the American military had great success in Afghanistan (mostly by utilisiing 12 man Special Forces A-Teams), wiping out thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, retaking cities and ultimately the country. They had basically won the war. The problem was that the Bush administration opened up a second front too soon in Iraq and diverted too much "specialised" manpower, military support and hardware from Afghanistan. This led to the US military and government admin hastily setting up poor quality Afghani defence forces and local government admin that were not motivated to fight for a "greater" Afghanistan because of the tribal nature of that country.

Politically they lost the war, but militarily they won it - in the short term. Which often happens when unqualified politicians make military decisions.

Good post, and accurate.

We still have by far the most advanced military in the world, let's not pretend otherwise. Now imagine giving Donald fucking Trump the power of that military, with his temper of a 8 year old school boy who just had his ball taken away. Scary for anyone, including us sane Americans.


Thankfully Obama saved Hillary's ass at the Democratic Convention the other night and Hillary did a decent job trying to pull in the Bernie Sanders supporters. I don't like Hillary at all. But I will exercise my right to vote and give it to her simply because the other candidate would lead the world down a path that I don't think we need to go down.

Really, ok I'll take your word for it but your reply smacks of God bless America and we are the best, when your country is truly fucked with so many issues before you start looking at terrorism or the Middle East. If the western world hates Muslims they also despise the arrogance of the yanks. Obama was a shining light but it seems like you lot are heading into the abyss regardless of who you pick. It really is a case of picking the best of a bad duo.

Regardless, both the yanks and Russians arguably (note the use of the word) have the greatest military might in the world and both countries made a pigs ear out of wars in the Middle East, I also don't buy your story about Afghanistan. The yanks didn't fight those wars alone, they were part of a coalition. I think there's just a few excuses there, you where never going to defeat the taliban no matter how many of them you wiped out.

The second amendment has to be the most retarded piece of legislation that exists in the western world. It's a shame Obama couldn't do anything about this.

Who would have thought the online gooner would be invaded by yanks ehh, but that is symptomatic of how our club has lost it's soul. I am sure a lot of gooners would go back to Highbury in a shot if they knew how things panned out over the last 10 years. The Americans have ruined our club.

You're full of shit. And I've been on this forum 4 years prior to you. So fuck off with YOUR arrogant bullshit.

see the eu referendum thread...
the worst thing is you would think NFG were in his 20's at most with his immature postings, but he's apparently nearer 50 then 30. worrying some one so old can have such immature, petulant, and attempted deameaning stuff when his viws are shown up as inorrect or he loses the argument with someone.

[GoonerMuzz]

Really not sure that us Brits should be throwing stones in glass houses and all that with reference to Afghanistan, we're 3 for 3 as far as losses go in that country

[arseofacrow]

Really not sure that us Brits should be throwing stones in glass houses and all that with reference to Afghanistan, we're 3 for 3 as far as losses go in that country

They're going to have a train system if it's the last thing we do. Which it might well be.

[nut flush gooner]

Sorry but you are absolutely incorrect in that statement. The Soviets only had more man power - their technology, equipment and tactics were years behind the USA, and the hiding they took in Afghanistan was one of the early causes for the Soviet Union's eventual collapse. It became very obvious to both the Soviets and the Americans that any conventional conflict would see the Soviets easily beaten, leaving only the concept of nuclear war and "MAD". The myth of the "fearful" Soviet military machine was exposed as an antiquated mess populated by demotivated draftees that weren't well fed or trained, often went underpaid and at times not paid, and had poor quality weapons systems and terrible tactics, strategy and chain of command structures.

You have to remember that initially the American military had great success in Afghanistan (mostly by utilisiing 12 man Special Forces A-Teams), wiping out thousands of Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, retaking cities and ultimately the country. They had basically won the war. The problem was that the Bush administration opened up a second front too soon in Iraq and diverted too much "specialised" manpower, military support and hardware from Afghanistan. This led to the US military and government admin hastily setting up poor quality Afghani defence forces and local government admin that were not motivated to fight for a "greater" Afghanistan because of the tribal nature of that country.

Politically they lost the war, but militarily they won it - in the short term. Which often happens when unqualified politicians make military decisions.

Good post, and accurate.

We still have by far the most advanced military in the world, let's not pretend otherwise. Now imagine giving Donald fucking Trump the power of that military, with his temper of a 8 year old school boy who just had his ball taken away. Scary for anyone, including us sane Americans.


Thankfully Obama saved Hillary's ass at the Democratic Convention the other night and Hillary did a decent job trying to pull in the Bernie Sanders supporters. I don't like Hillary at all. But I will exercise my right to vote and give it to her simply because the other candidate would lead the world down a path that I don't think we need to go down.

Really, ok I'll take your word for it but your reply smacks of God bless America and we are the best, when your country is truly fucked with so many issues before you start looking at terrorism or the Middle East. If the western world hates Muslims they also despise the arrogance of the yanks. Obama was a shining light but it seems like you lot are heading into the abyss regardless of who you pick. It really is a case of picking the best of a bad duo.

Regardless, both the yanks and Russians arguably (note the use of the word) have the greatest military might in the world and both countries made a pigs ear out of wars in the Middle East, I also don't buy your story about Afghanistan. The yanks didn't fight those wars alone, they were part of a coalition. I think there's just a few excuses there, you where never going to defeat the taliban no matter how many of them you wiped out.

The second amendment has to be the most retarded piece of legislation that exists in the western world. It's a shame Obama couldn't do anything about this.

Who would have thought the online gooner would be invaded by yanks ehh, but that is symptomatic of how our club has lost it's soul. I am sure a lot of gooners would go back to Highbury in a shot if they knew how things panned out over the last 10 years. The Americans have ruined our club.

You're full of shit. And I've been on this forum 4 years prior to you. So fuck off with YOUR arrogant bullshit.

see the eu referendum thread...
the worst thing is you would think NFG were in his 20's at most with his immature postings, but he's apparently nearer 50 then 30. worrying some one so old can have such immature, petulant, and attempted deameaning stuff when his viws are shown up as inorrect or he loses the argument with someone.

Immature or constructive? I am all for debating world issues but when people like you come out with totally non rational arguments, when you don't know your subject is it not right to point this out?