Next Ingerland Manager

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GranadaJoe wrote:
goonersid wrote:How an Irishman could want ingerland to win is beyond me ! They are the spuds of int football and our historical nemesis! When an arsenal player plays for ingerland I go for damage limitation to that player ie he isn't responsible for thed defeat!. I could never ever want anything but humiliation and defeat for any ingerland team from footie to cricket to fucking tiddlly winks s

If you dislike England so much, why do you support an English club?


The flipside of that (and I am in no way affiliating myself to isis when I say this), but I would suggest that most of the English Gooners on here couldn't give two f.ucks about their national team - that isn't me judging them btw, but merely stating that supporting The Arsenal has absolutely zilch to do with supporting or opposing ingerland

Btw I am still absolutely astounded that fat sam got the job :shock: :shock:

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augie wrote:
GranadaJoe wrote:
goonersid wrote:How an Irishman could want ingerland to win is beyond me ! They are the spuds of int football and our historical nemesis! When an arsenal player plays for ingerland I go for damage limitation to that player ie he isn't responsible for thed defeat!. I could never ever want anything but humiliation and defeat for any ingerland team from footie to cricket to fucking tiddlly winks s

If you dislike England so much, why do you support an English club?


The flipside of that (and I am in no way affiliating myself to isis when I say this), but I would suggest that most of the English Gooners on here couldn't give two f.ucks about their national team - that isn't me judging them btw, but merely stating that supporting The Arsenal has absolutely zilch to do with supporting or opposing ingerland

Btw I am still absolutely astounded that fat sam got the job :shock: :shock:
At the same time though when arsenal play in Europe they are effectively representing the English FA, the FA chooses their representatives and does it on the basis of league and cup performances, so maybe you should want arsenal to lose in Europe but do well in the league!

Also I'd argue that the England football side aren't really an historic nemesis of Ireland, the teams rarely play each other and almost never in competitive games, so I'd imagine the historical rivalry is more due to the two countries as opposed to their football teams, again making it a strange choice to support an English team. Still, it's a daft debate; I reckon deep down you want England to win the world cup though, and now they've got Sam Allardyce it might just happen :wink:

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safcftm wrote:
augie wrote:
GranadaJoe wrote:
goonersid wrote:How an Irishman could want ingerland to win is beyond me ! They are the spuds of int football and our historical nemesis! When an arsenal player plays for ingerland I go for damage limitation to that player ie he isn't responsible for thed defeat!. I could never ever want anything but humiliation and defeat for any ingerland team from footie to cricket to fucking tiddlly winks s

If you dislike England so much, why do you support an English club?


The flipside of that (and I am in no way affiliating myself to isis when I say this), but I would suggest that most of the English Gooners on here couldn't give two f.ucks about their national team - that isn't me judging them btw, but merely stating that supporting The Arsenal has absolutely zilch to do with supporting or opposing ingerland

Btw I am still absolutely astounded that fat sam got the job :shock: :shock:
At the same time though when arsenal play in Europe they are effectively representing the English FA, the FA chooses their representatives and does it on the basis of league and cup performances, so maybe you should want arsenal to lose in Europe but do well in the league!

Also I'd argue that the England football side aren't really an historic nemesis of Ireland, the teams rarely play each other and almost never in competitive games, so I'd imagine the historical rivalry is more due to the two countries as opposed to their football teams, again making it a strange choice to support an English team. Still, it's a daft debate; I reckon deep down you want England to win the world cup though, and now they've got Sam Allardyce it might just happen :wink:


Don't bring me into this - I was just playing devil's advocate here and was trying to separate the nationality issue when it comes to supporting your club. I loved it when we had so many Irish players in the team back in the 70s and 80s, but not having any now has not diminished my love of the club at all.

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augie wrote:
safcftm wrote:
augie wrote:
GranadaJoe wrote:
goonersid wrote:How an Irishman could want ingerland to win is beyond me ! They are the spuds of int football and our historical nemesis! When an arsenal player plays for ingerland I go for damage limitation to that player ie he isn't responsible for thed defeat!. I could never ever want anything but humiliation and defeat for any ingerland team from footie to cricket to fucking tiddlly winks s

If you dislike England so much, why do you support an English club?


The flipside of that (and I am in no way affiliating myself to isis when I say this), but I would suggest that most of the English Gooners on here couldn't give two f.ucks about their national team - that isn't me judging them btw, but merely stating that supporting The Arsenal has absolutely zilch to do with supporting or opposing ingerland

Btw I am still absolutely astounded that fat sam got the job :shock: :shock:
At the same time though when arsenal play in Europe they are effectively representing the English FA, the FA chooses their representatives and does it on the basis of league and cup performances, so maybe you should want arsenal to lose in Europe but do well in the league!

Also I'd argue that the England football side aren't really an historic nemesis of Ireland, the teams rarely play each other and almost never in competitive games, so I'd imagine the historical rivalry is more due to the two countries as opposed to their football teams, again making it a strange choice to support an English team. Still, it's a daft debate; I reckon deep down you want England to win the world cup though, and now they've got Sam Allardyce it might just happen :wink:


Don't bring me into this - I was just playing devil's advocate here and was trying to separate the nationality issue when it comes to supporting your club. I loved it when we had so many Irish players in the team back in the 70s and 80s, but not having any now has not diminished my love of the club at all.
Fair enough mate! Yeah it is a bit weird seeing an arsenal side without a good smattering of Irish players like, was good back in the day when all the top sides had a canny few British and Irish players. I suppose the standard has improved now but I awful liked the character the teams had back in the day

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36874200

Well I think Moyes will keep the Mackems up. :wink:

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Moyes should do well. I hope he rebuilds his career. Manure treated him like shit, even though the job was too big for him.

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Let's get something fucking straight! I don't dislike English people in the slightest!
I have good Irish friends who are spurs fans that doesn't stop me hating spurs nor revelling in my friends misery when they lose nor would it stop me wishing the most humiliatting and heartbreaking misfortune to befall their club!
That doesn't stop me loving them as friends!
My views on the various English sporting teams are exactly the same !
If some people on here can't differentiate between sporting and historical rivalry then they can go and fuck themselves!

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I'm not one of these people who despises England, nor am I going to cheer them on, any time soon. My only reason for wanting England to fail, is the pathetic way the media over hypes them, with zero evidence to suggest they will do anything but fail at every tournament. Listening to Clive Tyldsley say "Justice for the England eleven" was one of the most cringeworthy things I have ever seen. On the flipside, who couldn't enjoy, that clown, McClaren being brought back down to earth when he was sprouting his bullshit on sky, during the Iceland game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iHbwW2KXiU
The Irish media can also be pathetic in their over praising of non achievements, such as when we beat Italy's B team.

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Woy should have been sacked after the pathetic World Cock performance; but the FA being the FA allowed him to cruise through the easiest qualifying group in recorded history so that he could embarrass himself at the Euros.

The bar is set pretty fucking low, but I'm fairly confident that porcine chewing-gum masticator and full-time dense bastard Allardyce will plumb even greater depths of inept shititude.

Still, at least they might actually try defending for a change.

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officepest wrote:Woy should have been sacked after the pathetic World Cock performance; but the FA being the FA allowed him to cruise through the easiest qualifying group in recorded history so that he could embarrass himself at the Euros.

The bar is set pretty fucking low, but I'm fairly confident that porcine chewing-gum masticator and full-time dense bastard Allardyce will plumb even greater depths of inept shititude.

Still, at least they might actually try defending for a change.
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I laughed so hard at that I went bitch and a little bit of pee came out! :barscarf: :lol: :lol:

With all due respect to our Mackem mate, Fat Sam is a shit-tastrophe waiting to happen. He will bring nothing but negative shit to England. Setting up a team like England to defend is too low brow for me. The media and the fans will turn on any manager that is scraping out 0-0 and 1-1 results without any flair. England gave football to the world and there is national pride attached to that. Setting up a weaker team to "hold off" a stronger team is Fat Sam's league football approach. You simply cannot take that approach with a footballing giant like England and hope to stay in the job more than a year max. :|

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DB10GOONER wrote:
officepest wrote:Woy should have been sacked after the pathetic World Cock performance; but the FA being the FA allowed him to cruise through the easiest qualifying group in recorded history so that he could embarrass himself at the Euros.

The bar is set pretty fucking low, but I'm fairly confident that porcine chewing-gum masticator and full-time dense bastard Allardyce will plumb even greater depths of inept shititude.

Still, at least they might actually try defending for a change.
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I laughed so hard at that I went bitch and a little bit of pee came out! :barscarf: :lol: :lol:

With all due respect to our Mackem mate, Fat Sam is a shit-tastrophe waiting to happen. He will bring nothing but negative shit to England. Setting up a team like England to defend is too low brow for me. The media and the fans will turn on any manager that is scraping out 0-0 and 1-1 results without any flair. England gave football to the world and there is national pride attached to that. Setting up a weaker team to "hold off" a stronger team is Fat Sam's league football approach. You simply cannot take that approach with a footballing giant like England and hope to stay in the job more than a year max. :|
That's one of the first criticisms of Sam that I've heard that I think has an element of truth to it. Stuff about him being a dinosaur is well wide of the mark, he was embracing sports science before it (probably) had a name. Equally it's wrong to say he's a long ball merchant; if he was we'd have been relegated, you can't play long ball to Defoe up front by himself and still get wins. It wasn't even as if he had a big man on the wing to win flick ons, we had borini and Khazri, neither particularly big lads. We actually played some decent stuff (well, better then we're used to anyway!).

But yes, he is defensive minded. As an ex centre back I suppose that's not a surprise. He doesn't give a fuck about Newcastle wanting to be "entertainers" or about the "west ham way" (which as he mentions in his autobiography no one seems to know what it is, for a club with no top flight titles you'd think whatever their way is they'd change it). He focuses on what he's good at which is organising and man managing and, imo, he's never failed anywhere he's been.

As you say though, will England accept that? I tell you what, they fucking should if they've got any sense. International tournaments frequently throw up sides who are well organised, hard to score against and who, as a result, do well. Portugal being the most recent example. I'm not saying we'll win anything under Allardyce but if he can sort the defence out you'd always fancy us to have enough going forward to grab a goal, he'll get us moving the ball forward quickly; directly, not long. He has experience of getting the most out of the flair players at his disposal.

If he can do what he's always done the football may be a bit worse to watch but it will be more successful than what preceded it. If that's not good enough for England fans or the FA then quite frankly that's their fault and they deserve what they get. We've never win a European championship knockout game in normal time, we haven't made a semi final for twenty years, our "recent" run of tournament knockout scalps since euro 96 is embarrassing. We aren't some massive nation trying to regain their rightful place at the top.We're a nation that keeps copying others when we should embrace our own style. We aren't good enough technically to stroke the ball around and keep possession like Spain. Sam will give us pride, passion and he'll get the best out of us. I feel sorry for him that it will largely be met with pictures of Mike Bassett and "funny" pictures of hippos and neck braces. Maybe he sent have the image people would like but he's a damn fine manager and he deserves some respect.

And I'm saying that as someone who has heard from someone at the club about the reasons for our statement about him leaving being so brief, he didn't behave well at all at the end and neither did the FA, I still hope he's a massive success at England

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I reckon he won't survive this

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Gunner Rob wrote:

I reckon he won't survive this
He's always been bent and they should have nailed him years ago after that BBC documentary.

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It's hardly possible that he can continue to be England manager after this? ..I know it would hurt many on this forum but we must be realistic and be willing to let Arsene go if the need arises..

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