KROENKE OUT / The Board / Staff etc (merged thread)

[arrgee]

The wiggy problem can only be resolved financially by fans as a couple of major no shows a la wenker style would send a pretty clear message to wiggy and the club's commercial partners. Likewise people need to stop buying the merchandise and overpriced food/drink at the bowl - we've said it before. I posted on the Modern football bollox thread that the club were guaging interest for opening bars after games and showing highlights etc - this is all part of wiggys attempt to increase revenue so it is up to the fans to shut him down.

The problem with fans having a go at sorting out wiggy is how long it will take for the malaise to set in because if it is a slow process of deterioration it will be trickier to get people on board from a timing point of view. Also there is the general apathy among fans that they cannot affect change so they will go on feeding wiggy's coffers. If you want to do something today to help get control of our club back then if you are not already a season ticket holder get your name on the waiting list and when your name comes up buy a fucking ST. I don't care if it takes 5 years or even if you go or rent it out to a proper gooner but buy it. Wiggy is a businessman and is quite happy to take a long term view - I am an Arsenal fan for life so I can afford to have a long term view towards the club as well. Just think if everybody on here who isn't a ST holder had applied for one when Wiggy first turned up you would all be ST holders by now and the more STHs prepared leave an empty seat the quicker/easier it might be to get rid of the cu.nt. We might have manged to get rid of TOF earlier too ....who knows. I'm not sure how wiggy would react to fan protests outside the ground but I'm sure he would be embarrassed by it. Mind you, I'm not sure if we could muster enough fans to protest sometimes when you look around at some of the punters in the place these days.

Interesting theory. I'm not sure Arsenal have 40,000 plus fans prepared to stump up £1K plus for a season ticket and not use it. Or just go and protest game after game. Frankly I don't think there is anything to be done now. Kronke will be sat in Denver/Missouri looking at the revenue and not care about what happens. He has seen off the protests in St. Louis, he will do similar in North London.

[Jock Gooner]

The problem with fans having a go at sorting out wiggy is how long it will take for the malaise to set in because if it is a slow process of deterioration it will be trickier to get people on board from a timing point of view. Also there is the general apathy among fans that they cannot affect change so they will go on feeding wiggy's coffers. If you want to do something today to help get control of our club back then if you are not already a season ticket holder get your name on the waiting list and when your name comes up buy a fucking ST. I don't care if it takes 5 years or even if you go or rent it out to a proper gooner but buy it. Wiggy is a businessman and is quite happy to take a long term view - I am an Arsenal fan for life so I can afford to have a long term view towards the club as well. Just think if everybody on here who isn't a ST holder had applied for one when Wiggy first turned up you would all be ST holders by now and the more STHs prepared leave an empty seat the quicker/easier it might be to get rid of the cu.nt. We might have manged to get rid of TOF earlier too ....who knows. I'm not sure how wiggy would react to fan protests outside the ground but I'm sure he would be embarrassed by it. Mind you, I'm not sure if we could muster enough fans to protest sometimes when you look around at some of the punters in the place these days.

Interesting theory. I'm not sure Arsenal have 40,000 plus fans prepared to stump up £1K plus for a season ticket and not use it. Or just go and protest game after game. Frankly I don't think there is anything to be done now. Kronke will be sat in Denver/Missouri looking at the revenue and not care about what happens. He has seen off the protests in St. Louis, he will do similar in North London.

Interesting....desperate......that the same thing? I don't know how many people we need onboard, or how many games we would need to have a half empty stadium but what would help however is a decent increase in the number who are of a similar mind. Hopefully it wouldn't take a whole season But it's the sort of thing people have to be prepared to do if we are going to get rid of him. That is the thing with corporates they can ignore the punters for a while in the belief that things will go back to normal soon and that's where you have to be prepared to take them on.

The St. Louis protests were a bit different because the wiggy fucker had somewhere else to go but it shows you what a bastard he is. I think it is safe to say that he can't just up sticks and fuck off to a new town with his "soccer franchise". He moved the Rams back to LA which is a bigger draw than St. Louis so that was always going to be a safe commercial decision. He can't do that here, it wouldn't work. My concern is that wiggy sees us a Dallas Cowboys opportunity - they usually win fuck all but their commercial revenues and wealth put their value at $4B.

[Gunner Rob]

Nothing to say really, a not unexpected move by a *word censored* bag owner who only cares about the $$$

I do hope all our caretakers and 'real' fans understand exactly what they let us in for when his initial buyout was pushed through without much opposition

Mate, the posh term is custodian Your local school has a caretaker

Quite frankly this doesn't change things much from what I can see. The AGMs are just a fucking waste of time so a few people who share 3% of the shares can go to a meeting and think of themselves as custodians of the club. How twee - wake up and smell the coffee. Wiggy has had control of the club for years and while a few fans booing the board is funny wiggy still casts the final vote and his vote is all that has ever counted from a business perspective.

The wiggy problem can only be resolved financially by fans as a couple of major no shows a la wenker style would send a pretty clear message to wiggy and the club's commercial partners. Likewise people need to stop buying the merchandise and overpriced food/drink at the bowl - we've said it before. I posted on the Modern football bollox thread that the club were guaging interest for opening bars after games and showing highlights etc - this is all part of wiggys attempt to increase revenue so it is up to the fans to shut him down.

The problem with fans having a go at sorting out wiggy is how long it will take for the malaise to set in because if it is a slow process of deterioration it will be trickier to get people on board from a timing point of view. Also there is the general apathy among fans that they cannot affect change so they will go on feeding wiggy's coffers. If you want to do something today to help get control of our club back then if you are not already a season ticket holder get your name on the waiting list and when your name comes up buy a fucking ST. I don't care if it takes 5 years or even if you go or rent it out to a proper gooner but buy it. Wiggy is a businessman and is quite happy to take a long term view - I am an Arsenal fan for life so I can afford to have a long term view towards the club as well. Just think if everybody on here who isn't a ST holder had applied for one when Wiggy first turned up you would all be ST holders by now and the more STHs prepared leave an empty seat the quicker/easier it might be to get rid of the cu.nt. We might have manged to get rid of TOF earlier too ....who knows. I'm not sure how wiggy would react to fan protests outside the ground but I'm sure he would be embarrassed by it. Mind you, I'm not sure if we could muster enough fans to protest sometimes when you look around at some of the punters in the place these days.

????????
Are you for real.
The easiest way is to do the opposite.

Kroenke's business plan at Arsenal is based on season ticket sales - how do you think Wenger stayed so long in a job.

DO NOT TURN UP OR BUY A SEASON TICKET AND HE WILL GO

[NickF]

Kroenke's business plan at Arsenal is based on season ticket sales - how do you think Wenger stayed so long in a job.

DO NOT TURN UP OR BUY A SEASON TICKET AND HE WILL GO

Not sure that is right, we make far more money from TV than we ever do from ticket sales.

[Jock Gooner]

Nothing to say really, a not unexpected move by a *word censored* bag owner who only cares about the $$$

I do hope all our caretakers and 'real' fans understand exactly what they let us in for when his initial buyout was pushed through without much opposition

Mate, the posh term is custodian Your local school has a caretaker

Quite frankly this doesn't change things much from what I can see. The AGMs are just a fucking waste of time so a few people who share 3% of the shares can go to a meeting and think of themselves as custodians of the club. How twee - wake up and smell the coffee. Wiggy has had control of the club for years and while a few fans booing the board is funny wiggy still casts the final vote and his vote is all that has ever counted from a business perspective.

The wiggy problem can only be resolved financially by fans as a couple of major no shows a la wenker style would send a pretty clear message to wiggy and the club's commercial partners. Likewise people need to stop buying the merchandise and overpriced food/drink at the bowl - we've said it before. I posted on the Modern football bollox thread that the club were guaging interest for opening bars after games and showing highlights etc - this is all part of wiggys attempt to increase revenue so it is up to the fans to shut him down.

The problem with fans having a go at sorting out wiggy is how long it will take for the malaise to set in because if it is a slow process of deterioration it will be trickier to get people on board from a timing point of view. Also there is the general apathy among fans that they cannot affect change so they will go on feeding wiggy's coffers. If you want to do something today to help get control of our club back then if you are not already a season ticket holder get your name on the waiting list and when your name comes up buy a fucking ST. I don't care if it takes 5 years or even if you go or rent it out to a proper gooner but buy it. Wiggy is a businessman and is quite happy to take a long term view - I am an Arsenal fan for life so I can afford to have a long term view towards the club as well. Just think if everybody on here who isn't a ST holder had applied for one when Wiggy first turned up you would all be ST holders by now and the more STHs prepared leave an empty seat the quicker/easier it might be to get rid of the cu.nt. We might have manged to get rid of TOF earlier too ....who knows. I'm not sure how wiggy would react to fan protests outside the ground but I'm sure he would be embarrassed by it. Mind you, I'm not sure if we could muster enough fans to protest sometimes when you look around at some of the punters in the place these days.

????????
Are you for real.
The easiest way is to do the opposite.

Kroenke's business plan at Arsenal is based on season ticket sales - how do you think Wenger stayed so long in a job.

DO NOT TURN UP OR BUY A SEASON TICKET AND HE WILL GO

Am I for real - can I throw a friendly fuck you pal in your general direction.

I have been going to the football for over 45 years and had season tickets for the vast majority so am not about to chuck it in for somebody else to pick up or because of the wiggy bastard. Wiggy knows how this works and that lifetime supporters who actually go to the football can't very easily just stop going. I'm prepared to pay my money and to boycot the seat if necessary.

Remember that matchday income is less than a third (I think it is) of our total income whereas Broadcasting and Commercial makes up the vast majority so wiggy will be happy as long as he has a cut of that. Not going.....really? Do you go much yourself?

[arrgee]

Kroenke's business plan at Arsenal is based on season ticket sales - how do you think Wenger stayed so long in a job.

DO NOT TURN UP OR BUY A SEASON TICKET AND HE WILL GO

Not sure that is right, we make far more money from TV than we ever do from ticket sales.

I don't know who said it (think it was Dein), but it was around the time of the stadium move that Arsenal held back 20,000 seats from STHs to take advantage of the occasional attendee who would spend more at a game than a STH or even silver/red members.

It is more profitable to have 400,000 different people attending as they would all buy a bit of merchandise every game whereas 60,000 STHs would probably not.

In the future Arsenal may reduce the number of STHs overall in the future and sell those tickets as part of packages to overseas football fans.

The idea of Arsenal fans getting hold of all the tickets and protesting week after week (or more importantly for the TV games) by not turning up is a good one, but not enough fans would do it.

[NickF]

The idea of Arsenal fans getting hold of all the tickets and protesting week after week (or more importantly for the TV games) by not turning up is a good one, but not enough fans would do it.

Unfortunately this has been the problem (in recent times) with protesting at the Arsenal,

[arrgee]

The St. Louis protests were a bit different because the wiggy fucker had somewhere else to go but it shows you what a bastard he is. I think it is safe to say that he can't just up sticks and fuck off to a new town with his "soccer franchise". He moved the Rams back to LA which is a bigger draw than St. Louis so that was always going to be a safe commercial decision. He can't do that here, it wouldn't work. My concern is that wiggy sees us a Dallas Cowboys opportunity - they usually win fuck all but their commercial revenues and wealth put their value at $4B.

I don't think that it is safe to say he won't up sticks and take Arsenal elsewhere. The FA would love it if he proposed an east coast US venue to host games. Maybe one or two at first but then more and more as the cash rolls in. The NFL think nothing of staging their games elsewhere. Jacksonville Jaguars are about to be based at Wembley. Looking at the ICC it looks like the prelude to League and Champions League games being held all over the world. And most likely all the big matches will be held abroad will the lesser games at new Highbury. Arsenal v Spurs in Singapore at noon UK time?

[the playing mantis]

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????????
Are you for real.
The easiest way is to do the opposite.

Kroenke's business plan at Arsenal is based on season ticket sales - how do you think Wenger stayed so long in a job.

DO NOT TURN UP OR BUY A SEASON TICKET AND HE WILL GO
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Season ticket payments make not a rats arse bit of difference. empty seats do. as we can see by all the cover they got in the media this season and helped dispose of wenger.

its a fallacy to say do not buy a ticket. its more damning that people are prepared to buy one but not use. that's far more damaging to wiggy then the peanuts he makes out of ST ticket sales. Ticket sales are now meaningless in the premier league, because of the ridiculous TV deals. it makes building new stadiums a bit pointless for simple revenue driving terms of tickets, but i suppose they are still needed for prestige/commercial opportunities/attractiveness. match day income is not the golden goose it was when we moved simply because its been made insignificant by other revenue streams. Revenue streams that would be damaged by the poor public perception and coverage given to empty seats and continued large scale protests. The mousers did it with Hicks and Gillett.

[the playing mantis]

The St. Louis protests were a bit different because the wiggy fucker had somewhere else to go but it shows you what a bastard he is. I think it is safe to say that he can't just up sticks and fuck off to a new town with his "soccer franchise". He moved the Rams back to LA which is a bigger draw than St. Louis so that was always going to be a safe commercial decision. He can't do that here, it wouldn't work. My concern is that wiggy sees us a Dallas Cowboys opportunity - they usually win fuck all but their commercial revenues and wealth put their value at $4B.

I don't think that it is safe to say he won't up sticks and take Arsenal elsewhere. The FA would love it if he proposed an east coast US venue to host games. Maybe one or two at first but then more and more as the cash rolls in. The NFL think nothing of staging their games elsewhere. Jacksonville Jaguars are about to be based at Wembley. Looking at the ICC it looks like the prelude to League and Champions League games being held all over the world. And most likely all the big matches will be held abroad will the lesser games at new Highbury. Arsenal v Spurs in Singapore at noon UK time?

this is just stupid. sorry but it is. will not happen.

[Jock Gooner]

The St. Louis protests were a bit different because the wiggy fucker had somewhere else to go but it shows you what a bastard he is. I think it is safe to say that he can't just up sticks and fuck off to a new town with his "soccer franchise". He moved the Rams back to LA which is a bigger draw than St. Louis so that was always going to be a safe commercial decision. He can't do that here, it wouldn't work. My concern is that wiggy sees us a Dallas Cowboys opportunity - they usually win fuck all but their commercial revenues and wealth put their value at $4B.

I don't think that it is safe to say he won't up sticks and take Arsenal elsewhere. The FA would love it if he proposed an east coast US venue to host games. Maybe one or two at first but then more and more as the cash rolls in. The NFL think nothing of staging their games elsewhere. Jacksonville Jaguars are about to be based at Wembley. Looking at the ICC it looks like the prelude to League and Champions League games being held all over the world. And most likely all the big matches will be held abroad will the lesser games at new Highbury. Arsenal v Spurs in Singapore at noon UK time?

this is just stupid. sorry but it is. will not happen.

Have to agree, you been smoking some good stuff my friend The other clubs don't want to be fucking about having to travel to New York or somewhere for their Arsenal away fixture. The players might not fancy moving to New York and their book value is quite important to the continued existence of the club. The FA would shit themselves because any fracture to the current set up would probably see moneymen somewhere setting up a new football 'governing' body to try and wrestle control away from them. I know where you are coming from but I think we are safe enough......for now!

[Theoperator]

There are several big differences between TOF protests/ situation and Wiggy.

Firstly TOF had a spell where all was wonderfully rosy, which I suspect is why protests were always more subdued than they should have been. Some still have the notion that the rosiness would return under TOF .

Obviously this doesnt apply here.

Second Wiggy obviously isnt fully aware of the diehard support that British football fans have, and the lengths that they would go if seriously unhappy. Its quite different to American football, which has always been more of a sanisied corporate thing.

Yes our fans can blame managers if things arent going right in the future but it wont i dont think wash.

Thirdly theres a number of shareholders royally upset with this- the fanbase I feel generally is more united than it was now that TOF has gone it would be easier to galvanise the fans now than it was.

Only apathy can stop protests and Wiggys embarrasment from happening if Wiggys franchise fails to come up to scratch.

[NickF]

Its quite different to American football, which has always been more of a sanisied corporate thing.

You've obviously never been to Oakland then. After a loss last year the fans bottled the players cars and even offered to fight one of the 300lb linebackers.

[Jock Gooner]

Its quite different to American football, which has always been more of a sanisied corporate thing.

You've obviously never been to Oakland then. After a loss last year the fans bottled the players cars and even offered to fight one of the 300lb linebackers.

And that's why they will soon be the Las Vegas Raiders after their 500 mile move from Oakland! Nothing says fuck off you're not wanted quite like making your old fans drive through Death Valley to get to the new stadium

[Rugby Gooner]

If Wiggy gets his way we can kiss goodbye to AFC as we love it.
There will be no dissention or opposition to him,and he will also have free reign to use us as collateral on loans etc.
Please re-consider Usmanov!