THE WENGER THREAD

[WE8SPURS]

Selling RVP to manure
Facilitating Fabregas to Chavski
8-2 man utd
6-0 Chelsea
5-1 Liverpool

Just some of the things I can never forgive Wenger for no matter what he's done or by some miracle what he is yet to do. The misery those things alone have caused me especially for the abuse I've endured at the hands of Chelsea fans and more often the shit c@nt southern manc fans I know has deep routed a hatred for the man in me.

He may well have brought us into a new era but there comes a point where he's crossed the line.

He's our own jimmy Seville, he sucked us in, made us happy and made all our dreams come true. Then once he had us ingratiated to him he pulled out his plonker and rode the hole off the lot of us and the only difference is he's still doing it.



Regardless of what he's done he's betrayed our trust, our faith and devotion in him and I've had enough.

Now pack your bags and get to fuck

I was going to delete the bit in red and PM you a warning. But I think I'll leave it up so you can have another read of it and hopefully feel like a bit of a tool. To compare Wenger in any way with a convicted sex offender, a convicted child molester, is fucking disgraceful to be honest. You need to take a long look at yourself, mate. And this is a warning. Repeat that and you'll get banned.

I apologise sincerely to any whom I have offended by my post and with hindsight maybe it was not the best example to compare him with. I'm certainly not on here to upset or wind up fellow gooners.

Do I feel stupid or disgraced with myself? The answer to that one is a big no though i'm afraid. I think it's blatantly obvious that I wasn't implying that Wenger is a Paedo nor that he has a vested interest in lttle boys and I think it's actually a little harsh to paint me as some sort of biggott and twist my point as I feel you have. I would hope the majority would understand the point I was trying to make and although it seems extreme I was using such an example for all the blind followers of Arsene who feel that no matter what he does to the club now it's alright because of what he did years ago.

As well as he has done to take the club where it is I can't sit back and accept what he is doing to it now but this is years of pent up frustration that has led me to that post.

I think some on here need to remember that Arsenal was there before Arsene. I'm also surprised at how touchy some people are on here, the reference to Saville was what's called an exaggerated comparison which is generally used to get a point accros to people who are struggling to understand or who are refusing to accept someones opinion.

Arsene and his AKB's can still get fucked though as their cult is the route of the problem and to be honest I actually pity them. The day I can sit back and get all precious about the manager whilst he continues to stagnate the club I've loved for last 30 years and put his past achievements above the clubs future is the day I pack it up.

What ever happened to 'sticks and stones'?

If that gets me banned then so be it

However as said at the top it was certainly not written to cause offence

[Smithly]

Wenger's services should have been dispensed with about 5 years ago. As long as he makes money for the board he has the cushiest job in football. ''17 Consecutive years of Champs League football'' I hear you cry. Yeah, great - how many times have the Arse won it? Sorry chaps, Le Prof has got to go tout d'suite.

[Supagoon]

3 years more of the bizarre.

You know I feel like im finally getting to know arsene. He doesn't surprise me too much and thus I don't allow myself to get worked up too often.

We'll never reach our potential whilst he is the manager of this club. We'll never do what's logical and the 'ideology' comes first. 2017 does seem like an eternity to have to wait, so you guys have my sympathies.

[DB10GOONER]

Selling RVP to manure
Facilitating Fabregas to Chavski
8-2 man utd
6-0 Chelsea
5-1 Liverpool

Just some of the things I can never forgive Wenger for no matter what he's done or by some miracle what he is yet to do. The misery those things alone have caused me especially for the abuse I've endured at the hands of Chelsea fans and more often the shit c@nt southern manc fans I know has deep routed a hatred for the man in me.

He may well have brought us into a new era but there comes a point where he's crossed the line.

He's our own jimmy Seville, he sucked us in, made us happy and made all our dreams come true. Then once he had us ingratiated to him he pulled out his plonker and rode the hole off the lot of us and the only difference is he's still doing it.



Regardless of what he's done he's betrayed our trust, our faith and devotion in him and I've had enough.

Now pack your bags and get to fuck

I was going to delete the bit in red and PM you a warning. But I think I'll leave it up so you can have another read of it and hopefully feel like a bit of a tool. To compare Wenger in any way with a convicted sex offender, a convicted child molester, is fucking disgraceful to be honest. You need to take a long look at yourself, mate. And this is a warning. Repeat that and you'll get banned.

I apologise sincerely to any whom I have offended by my post and with hindsight maybe it was not the best example to compare him with. I'm certainly not on here to upset or wind up fellow gooners.

Do I feel stupid or disgraced with myself? The answer to that one is a big no though i'm afraid. I think it's blatantly obvious that I wasn't implying that Wenger is a Paedo nor that he has a vested interest in lttle boys and I think it's actually a little harsh to paint me as some sort of biggott and twist my point as I feel you have. I would hope the majority would understand the point I was trying to make and although it seems extreme I was using such an example for all the blind followers of Arsene who feel that no matter what he does to the club now it's alright because of what he did years ago.

As well as he has done to take the club where it is I can't sit back and accept what he is doing to it now but this is years of pent up frustration that has led me to that post.

I think some on here need to remember that Arsenal was there before Arsene. I'm also surprised at how touchy some people are on here, the reference to Saville was what's called an exaggerated comparison which is generally used to get a point accros to people who are struggling to understand or who are refusing to accept someones opinion.

Arsene and his AKB's can still get fucked though as their cult is the route of the problem and to be honest I actually pity them. The day I can sit back and get all precious about the manager whilst he continues to stagnate the club I've loved for last 30 years and put his past achievements above the clubs future is the day I pack it up.

What ever happened to 'sticks and stones'?

If that gets me banned then so be it

However as said at the top it was certainly not written to cause offence

No, the reference to Saville is not just an "exaggerated comparison", it is offensive, and should be to all Gooners, given that Millwall, Manure and the Scum have chanted peado songs at Wenger for years. Similarly it should be offensive to all right minded people tbh. To compare a man that has basically committed the crime of not managing a football team to your liking with a scumbag that molested children is not acceptable. We are very loose on here with what we allow to stay but there is a line and Saville comparisons (and you did compare them - read your post again) crosses that line. The majority of posters on this forum want Wenger out but don't reduce their argument to that level.

I accept that you have apologised. No one accused you of being a biggot. No one twisted your words. But tbh, the fact that you appear to only regret that you might have offended a few people, yet not regret the actual words and sentiment, is poor.

[VoiceOfReason]

Thought it was a reasonable metaphor, to be honest. It was pretty clear that he wasn't accusing Wenger of the same literal acts.

[clockender1]

i'm with "voice of reason", its okay to accuse wenger of raping the club but not violating it ?

its a poor taste metaphor, but one thats understandable - who of the Highbury crowd left on here doesn't feel personally violated, betrayed and humiliated ? i know i do.

us old schoolers were told we had to give up our Beloved Highbury, our matchday traditions and our guaranteed cup final tickets to "progress", "move on", "modernize" and "compete with the elite", and what did we get ?

Bendtner
Eboue
Denilson
Djourou
Song
Chamakh
Santos
Diaby
Sanogo

we also got the worst injury record in the prem, and the least active transfer activity in the Prem, the highest ticket prices in world football and a coach on 8 million a year who spends the summer not working for the club but sodding about on the beach, and deadline day on a charity jolly.

so do i actually feel abused - absolutely, so don't ban the poor sod for trying to express how he feels.

peas.

[WE8SPURS]

Thought it was a reasonable metaphor, to be honest. It was pretty clear that he wasn't accusing Wenger of the same literal acts.

You are the voice of reason my man and I thank you for your support

[WE8SPURS]

i'm with "voice of reason", its okay to accuse wenger of raping the club but not violating it ?

its a poor taste metaphor, but one thats understandable - who of the Highbury crowd left on here doesn't feel personally violated, betrayed and humiliated ? i know i do.

us old schoolers were told we had to give up our Beloved Highbury, our matchday traditions and our guaranteed cup final tickets to "progress", "move on", "modernize" and "compete with the elite", and what did we get ?

Bendtner
Eboue
Denilson
Djourou
Song
Chamakh
Santos
Diaby
Sanogo

we also got the worst injury record in the prem, and the least active transfer activity in the Prem, the highest ticket prices in world football and a coach on 8 million a year who spends the summer not working for the club but sodding about on the beach, and deadline day on a charity jolly.

so do i actually feel abused - absolutely, so don't ban the poor sod for trying to express how he feels.

peas.

As per my response to Voice of reason, thanks for that pal

[BFG4]

Thought it was a reasonable metaphor, to be honest. It was pretty clear that he wasn't accusing Wenger of the same literal acts.

I have to agree, no one is making an actual comment of Wenger being a paedophile, just not the best choice of words. In fairness, some posters have talked about wanting Wenger dead, so which is worse?

[DB10GOONER]

so do i actually feel abused - absolutely, so don't ban the poor sod for trying to express how he feels.

No one is banning the chap. He was warned and that's it. Unless it's repeated. CE1 - you've been on here long enough to know we let most stuff slide, but after the forum was shut down, the owners specifically briefed us mods on what was and wasn't acceptable going forward.

I would add that personally too I think ANY comparison (mataphoric, exaggerated, in jest, whatever) to Saville is not acceptable. To be honest I'm stunned that anyone would find that post acceptable, the poster himself admitted he'd gone too far.

[SPUDMASHER]

I bet he had a lot less time off this year than you or I have. I was sodding about on a beach for two weeks at the end of June/beginning of July. The only difference was that I wasn't also going to watch potential players in the evenings etc.

I'm incredibly disappointed with what has happened at the club over the last few years. The promises of more money, better signings etc. etc. just didn't materialise. I don't hold AW entirely accountable for this though as many people have chosen to forget that we went into a recession just as the Highbury square development was released for sale. Income from that project that was supposed to prop up the club didn't materialise as a result. I blame the board for that 100%. They should never have got involved in property development, They're a football club FFS! That was the fundamental reason behind Edelmans departure. The knock on effect was that finances took longer to recover.

Does that excuse AW? Well a bit, yes, but not totally. He assembled a superb team on a shoestring first time around but failed to repeat the second and third times. During those periods he towed the company line whilst the board shit on him from a great height, something I am certain has contributed to his current unpopularity.

Have we been lied to? Yes, by both AW and the board and they both have a lot to answer for. Sorry to disappoint anyone but you're not going to get answers........ever.
Does AW frustrate the shit out of me at times? Yes, without question. There are times when he is fortunate that I'm not stood next to him when he does/says certain things.
Do I want a new manager? Yes, if we can land somebody that really could make a difference without ploughing the club into unsustainable levels of debt. I'd hate to be in the position that one or two clubs have been in during this window whereby they have had to offload a player to buy one. I could never hate Wenger though.

I love Arsenal football club and have done so for more than 40 years, man and boy. Am I happy that we are not challenging for every trophy every year? No, but then I've supported us when we had long periods without winning anything before. At least this time I can actually watch the team and not get bored or play 'push the penny' along the wall of the lower west.

[augie]

I bet he had a lot less time off this year than you or I have. I was sodding about on a beach for two weeks at the end of June/beginning of July. The only difference was that I wasn't also going to watch potential players in the evenings etc.

I'm incredibly disappointed with what has happened at the club over the last few years. The promises of more money, better signings etc. etc. just didn't materialise. I don't hold AW entirely accountable for this though as many people have chosen to forget that we went into a recession just as the Highbury square development was released for sale. Income from that project that was supposed to prop up the club didn't materialise as a result. I blame the board for that 100%. They should never have got involved in property development, They're a football club FFS! That was the fundamental reason behind Edelmans departure. The knock on effect was that finances took longer to recover.

Does that excuse AW? Well a bit, yes, but not totally. He assembled a superb team on a shoestring first time around but failed to repeat the second and third times. During those periods he towed the company line whilst the board shit on him from a great height, something I am certain has contributed to his current unpopularity.

Have we been lied to? Yes, by both AW and the board and they both have a lot to answer for. Sorry to disappoint anyone but you're not going to get answers........ever.
Does AW frustrate the shit out of me at times? Yes, without question. There are times when he is fortunate that I'm not stood next to him when he does/says certain things.
Do I want a new manager? Yes, if we can land somebody that really could make a difference without ploughing the club into unsustainable levels of debt. I'd hate to be in the position that one or two clubs have been in during this window whereby they have had to offload a player to buy one. I could never hate Wenger though.

I love Arsenal football club and have done so for more than 40 years, man and boy. Am I happy that we are not challenging for every trophy every year? No, but then I've supported us when we had long periods owithout winning anything before. At least this time I can actually watch the team and not get bored or play 'push the penny' along the wall of the lower west.

I beg to differ - I have had 1 poxy week in salou this summer (the weather wasn't great tbh) and last year I got no fcuking holiday at all and I aint being paid anywhere near £8.5m per season

[clockender1]

I don't hold AW entirely accountable for this though as many people have chosen to forget that we went into a recession just as the Highbury square development was released for sale. Income from that project that was supposed to prop up the club didn't materialise as a result. I blame the board for that 100%. .

I've looked at the accounts from that period Masher - there was nothing to prop up. The loan cost + interest was never over 14million, never over 8% of turnover. during the whole period - we never failed to make a trading profit of less than 20million and thats is AFTER player purchases.

the argument that wenger was hamstrung by the stadium is a complete and utter myth.

DB - fair enough.

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

I was crying out for years that Wenger, when he did leave, would do it on a high note - because i feel the guy 100% deserves that. He wants whats best for the club and does what he see's as best, i dont question that.

However, we we underweight in certain positions last year and got away with it - generally in attacking positions where we were blessed with young talent (ie Serge) who came in for a few games and did well - Wenger is obviously a big part of good youngsters coming through.

However, not buying a CB is a huge huge gamble at best and negligent at worse. if we go to Stamford Bridge with Monreal and Chambers down to 3/4 injuries thats bad luck - but the fact they could be a partnerhip down to a suspension / injury combination is shocking for a top club. i thought Miquel was pretty crap but to sell him even is madness.

I understand its not football manager - but Alex Song always looked better a CB, Micah Rochards moved, Nastatic - even fecking Lescott!!! Or, DONT SELL YOUR THIRD CHOICE CB!!!

Its crazy, i dont see how we wont suffer for this.

[Skooner]

I bet he had a lot less time off this year than you or I have. I was sodding about on a beach for two weeks at the end of June/beginning of July. The only difference was that I wasn't also going to watch potential players in the evenings etc.

I'm incredibly disappointed with what has happened at the club over the last few years. The promises of more money, better signings etc. etc. just didn't materialise. I don't hold AW entirely accountable for this though as many people have chosen to forget that we went into a recession just as the Highbury square development was released for sale. Income from that project that was supposed to prop up the club didn't materialise as a result. I blame the board for that 100%. They should never have got involved in property development, They're a football club FFS! That was the fundamental reason behind Edelmans departure. The knock on effect was that finances took longer to recover.

Does that excuse AW? Well a bit, yes, but not totally. He assembled a superb team on a shoestring first time around but failed to repeat the second and third times. During those periods he towed the company line whilst the board shit on him from a great height, something I am certain has contributed to his current unpopularity.

Have we been lied to? Yes, by both AW and the board and they both have a lot to answer for. Sorry to disappoint anyone but you're not going to get answers........ever.
Does AW frustrate the shit out of me at times? Yes, without question. There are times when he is fortunate that I'm not stood next to him when he does/says certain things.
Do I want a new manager? Yes, if we can land somebody that really could make a difference without ploughing the club into unsustainable levels of debt. I'd hate to be in the position that one or two clubs have been in during this window whereby they have had to offload a player to buy one. I could never hate Wenger though.

I love Arsenal football club and have done so for more than 40 years, man and boy. Am I happy that we are not challenging for every trophy every year? No, but then I've supported us when we had long periods without winning anything before. At least this time I can actually watch the team and not get bored or play 'push the penny' along the wall of the lower west.

The thing is, I actually do think we are quite a boring team to follow these days. I think it is a myth that we play fantastic football in comparison to others, we occasionally score great team goals but so do other teams, it’s just they aren’t known for their great football so the media don’t go on about it as much.

A lot of the time our play is slow and lethargic and the outcome each season is very similar. It’s been a number of years since I thought we could genuinely challenge for the big two trophies and at the same time we haven’t looked like getting much worse either so we are just treading water. For me that isn’t an exciting/interesting team to follow.