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Serious question: how do we go about signing players nowadays?
The role of Dein in bringing high-profile signings (notably DB10 ) to the club is well-documented. I imagine that since then things have changed dramatically, and I don't doubt Wenger plays a far bigger role.
I would estimate that our policy amounts to faxing through one or two derisory offers for players and hoping that they force the move on their end. On the rare occasion that we get the go-ahead, I imagine that Dick Law is instrumental in the contract negotiations via phone or web-link in the middle of the night in the USA, with Wenger and Gazidis no doubt chipping in too.
I don't want a debate about whether Dein should come back, I just wonder what our process for signing players is. Does anybody go and get on a plane like Dein used to to persuade people to join The Arsenal?
northbank123 wrote:Serious question: how do we go about signing players nowadays?
The role of Dein in bringing high-profile signings (notably DB10 ) to the club is well-documented. I imagine that since then things have changed dramatically, and I don't doubt Wenger plays a far bigger role.
I would estimate that our policy amounts to faxing through one or two derisory offers for players and hoping that they force the move on their end. On the rare occasion that we get the go-ahead, I imagine that Dick Law is instrumental in the contract negotiations via phone or web-link in the middle of the night in the USA, with Wenger and Gazidis no doubt chipping in too.
I don't want a debate about whether Dein should come back, I just wonder what our process for signing players is. Does anybody go and get on a plane like Dein used to to persuade people to join The Arsenal?
I'm not close enough to the club to know, but I think its absolutely clear that Wenger and the club will only go for players where there is little or no competition and hence the whole 'getting on a plane to persuade them to join' is almost irrelevant these days. Who was the last player we signed where we beat anyone to his signature - as far as I'm aware I didn't hear Podolski, Cazorla, Mertesacker, Arteta, Gervinho, Giroud etc being linked anywhere else before we got them. I suppose some of the younger players like the Ox, Walcott and Ramsey we allegedly beat off the likes of United and Chelsea but I think thats an argument we win simply by the fact that we can offer these guys far more game playing time at a young age (i.e. before they are really ready)
I can't imagine that at any point in the last 2-3 years Gazidis, Law, Wenger or anyone senior at the club has gone after a player that any other PL club has had a serious interest in. I could be completely wrong but I think the club actively avoids chasing the likes of Villa, Huntelaar etc because they don't have the conviction in themselves to close out a deal like that. That has definitely changed from the days when we signed the likes of DB10, Overmars etc where we had serious competiton
northbank123 wrote:Serious question: how do we go about signing players nowadays?
The role of Dein in bringing high-profile signings (notably DB10 ) to the club is well-documented. I imagine that since then things have changed dramatically, and I don't doubt Wenger plays a far bigger role.
I would estimate that our policy amounts to faxing through one or two derisory offers for players and hoping that they force the move on their end. On the rare occasion that we get the go-ahead, I imagine that Dick Law is instrumental in the contract negotiations via phone or web-link in the middle of the night in the USA, with Wenger and Gazidis no doubt chipping in too.
I don't want a debate about whether Dein should come back, I just wonder what our process for signing players is. Does anybody go and get on a plane like Dein used to to persuade people to join The Arsenal?
I'm not close enough to the club to know,
Fuck off stevo your being too modest, you seem to know everything else about the club
northbank123 wrote:Serious question: how do we go about signing players nowadays?
The role of Dein in bringing high-profile signings (notably DB10 ) to the club is well-documented. I imagine that since then things have changed dramatically, and I don't doubt Wenger plays a far bigger role.
I would estimate that our policy amounts to faxing through one or two derisory offers for players and hoping that they force the move on their end. On the rare occasion that we get the go-ahead, I imagine that Dick Law is instrumental in the contract negotiations via phone or web-link in the middle of the night in the USA, with Wenger and Gazidis no doubt chipping in too.
I don't want a debate about whether Dein should come back, I just wonder what our process for signing players is. Does anybody go and get on a plane like Dein used to to persuade people to join The Arsenal?
I'm not close enough to the club to know, but I think its absolutely clear that Wenger and the club will only go for players where there is little or no competition and hence the whole 'getting on a plane to persuade them to join' is almost irrelevant these days. Who was the last player we signed where we beat anyone to his signature - as far as I'm aware I didn't hear Podolski, Cazorla, Mertesacker, Arteta, Gervinho, Giroud etc being linked anywhere else before we got them. I suppose some of the younger players like the Ox, Walcott and Ramsey we allegedly beat off the likes of United and Chelsea but I think thats an argument we win simply by the fact that we can offer these guys far more game playing time at a young age (i.e. before they are really ready)
I can't imagine that at any point in the last 2-3 years Gazidis, Law, Wenger or anyone senior at the club has gone after a player that any other PL club has had a serious interest in. I could be completely wrong but I think the club actively avoids chasing the likes of Villa, Huntelaar etc because they don't have the conviction in themselves to close out a deal like that. That has definitely changed from the days when we signed the likes of DB10, Overmars etc where we had serious competiton
Gazidis and co are probably more likely to get on a plane when were selling a player
8-10 years ago Wenger I say was the main reason a lot off half decent players came to Arsenal so not a lot of negotations was needed 10 years later he is still in control and now acting like Starlin I say he controls any potential signing from start to finish .
northbank123 wrote:Serious question: how do we go about signing players nowadays?
The role of Dein in bringing high-profile signings (notably DB10 ) to the club is well-documented. I imagine that since then things have changed dramatically, and I don't doubt Wenger plays a far bigger role.
I would estimate that our policy amounts to faxing through one or two derisory offers for players and hoping that they force the move on their end. On the rare occasion that we get the go-ahead, I imagine that Dick Law is instrumental in the contract negotiations via phone or web-link in the middle of the night in the USA, with Wenger and Gazidis no doubt chipping in too.
I don't want a debate about whether Dein should come back, I just wonder what our process for signing players is. Does anybody go and get on a plane like Dein used to to persuade people to join The Arsenal?
I'm not close enough to the club to know, but I think its absolutely clear that Wenger and the club will only go for players where there is little or no competition and hence the whole 'getting on a plane to persuade them to join' is almost irrelevant these days. Who was the last player we signed where we beat anyone to his signature - as far as I'm aware I didn't hear Podolski, Cazorla, Mertesacker, Arteta, Gervinho, Giroud etc being linked anywhere else before we got them. I suppose some of the younger players like the Ox, Walcott and Ramsey we allegedly beat off the likes of United and Chelsea but I think thats an argument we win simply by the fact that we can offer these guys far more game playing time at a young age (i.e. before they are really ready)
I can't imagine that at any point in the last 2-3 years Gazidis, Law, Wenger or anyone senior at the club has gone after a player that any other PL club has had a serious interest in. I could be completely wrong but I think the club actively avoids chasing the likes of Villa, Huntelaar etc because they don't have the conviction in themselves to close out a deal like that. That has definitely changed from the days when we signed the likes of DB10, Overmars etc where we had serious competiton
That's true, we have hardly signed players with competition. Even the established players we've signed recently (Podolski, Mertesacker, Arteta and Cazorla) have come from much smaller clubs with no other interest.
Agree that the club completely lacks conviction when 'targeting' players to sign. It takes no bottle to go out and throw money at third-rate European clubs, when was the last time we signed someone from a top club that wasn't miles past it? Even if you put Malaga in that bracket, their hand was forced.
Think we are the only selling club of there best players in the world something to boost about .
He is o older, recovering from a leg break and would possibly have to adapt - for a big transfer fee and high wages.
Arsenal were never in for him, Barca never wanted to sell him.
So you are saying that you dont feel signing him would have been a good move then ? I cant understand anybody take that view - personally I would sign him even if he cost 20m cos I have no probs paying top dollar for proven top quality players and that is where I had the issue with paying wally 100k per week
It's probably BS, but if Fellani has a £22 million pound buyout, we'd be idiots not to do business. He would directly rule Everton out of the running for the Virtual Cup and probably would hand it directly to us.
The guy is just fantastic, but we know that Comrade Wenger would have to upset his Solidarity movement at Arsenal in order to fund it and also, he wouldn't be able to claim a prize for the best run business model in the Premiership - so it won't happen.
begeegs wrote:It's probably BS, but if Fellani has a £22 million pound buyout, we'd be idiots not to do business. He would directly rule Everton out of the running for the Virtual Cup and probably would hand it directly to us.
The guy is just fantastic, but we know that Comrade Wenger would have to upset his Solidarity movement at Arsenal in order to fund it and also, he wouldn't be able to claim a prize for the best run business model in the Premiership - so it won't happen.
Other clubs will be in for him, we would never match their offers (i.e. pay what he's worth) or their ambitions.
The whole Villa deal was blown way out of proportion. We were never going to sign him, for starters. But I don't think he's the saviour anyway. He's getting older, he's injury prone, and he's unproven outside of Spain. A world class finisher, but for the amount of wages/fee he would have commanded, I think we could get better value.
If we want to talk about signings that should but never will happen, we should talk about Cavani or Falcao
"NOT FOR the first time this month Arsenal are said to be "on alert" for a bargain as they look to beef up their squad. According to the Daily Mirror, the Gunners are monitoring the situation at Anderlecht after midfielder Lucas Biglia "made it clear" he wants to move in January.
That's wenker speak for keeping his hands firmly in his pockets whilst another club come in and sign him....so that he can say somewhere down the line that 'we nearly signed him'.
Transfer window day 8(in a geordie accent like the twat on big brother) and still no *word censored* signed we'll be saying the same thing on day 31 no doubt
) to the club is well-documented. I imagine that since then things have changed dramatically, and I don't doubt Wenger plays a far bigger role.
we'll be saying the same thing on day 31 no doubt 