THE WENGER THREAD

[DB10GOONER]

What's of far more interest on that Durham page is this link;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/footba ... party.html

Oh look at the fat middle aged men trying to regain their sad pathetic youth... by fighting like... fat middled aged men...

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

What's of far more interest on that Durham page is this link;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/footba ... party.html

Oh look at the fat middle aged men trying to regain their sad pathetic youth... by fighting like... fat middled aged men...

Christ that's embarrassing, what a bunch of absolute fucktards.

On the plus side, if this doesn't convince Penguin to finally publish my series of adult-themed Where's Wally books I officially give up.

[clockender1]

No need for words.....the article says it all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rove.co.uk

good article. in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king.....

sad though that 2/3 of the opinion is against that. he is 100% correct - only an injury to sanchez resulted in him playing Ozil in his proper position. you watch, against the spuds, he'll put him wide again

[clockender1]

any thinking manager can outwit wenger.

given the money and talent at his disposal, he is easily one of the worst in the division.

wenger would take the likes of newcastle, villa, southampton, swansea down.

[topgoon]

any thinking manager can outwit wenger.

given the money and talent at his disposal, he is easily one of the worst in the division.

wenger would take the likes of newcastle, villa, southampton, swansea down.

Behave yourself.

He would not take them down. He'd probably keep them about where they are and no more. He is a 'just so' manager. Too set in his ways and stubborn to go that extra mile or change things around.

[clockender1]

any thinking manager can outwit wenger.

given the money and talent at his disposal, he is easily one of the worst in the division.

wenger would take the likes of newcastle, villa, southampton, swansea down.

Behave yourself.

He would not take them down. He'd probably keep them about where they are and no more. He is a 'just so' manager. Too set in his ways and stubborn to go that extra mile or change things around.

maybe he would keep them up, maybe he wouldn't, but where would we be without those moments of magic from sanchez, ozil, caz etc - that always bail him out.

[SteveO 35]

Chucked away the League Cup again, totally and utterly unforgiveable - just fuck off and give someone else a chance

[g88ner]

any thinking manager can outwit wenger.

given the money and talent at his disposal, he is easily one of the worst in the division.

wenger would take the likes of newcastle, villa, southampton, swansea down.

Behave yourself.

He would not take them down. He'd probably keep them about where they are and no more. He is a 'just so' manager. Too set in his ways and stubborn to go that extra mile or change things around.

maybe he would keep them up, maybe he wouldn't, but where would we be without those moments of magic from sanchez, ozil, caz etc - that always bail him out.

That's what good players are bought for. Drogba, Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, etc bail their clubs out all the time and have done for years. That's how football works.

[topgoon]

any thinking manager can outwit wenger.

given the money and talent at his disposal, he is easily one of the worst in the division.

wenger would take the likes of newcastle, villa, southampton, swansea down.

Behave yourself.

He would not take them down. He'd probably keep them about where they are and no more. He is a 'just so' manager. Too set in his ways and stubborn to go that extra mile or change things around.

maybe he would keep them up, maybe he wouldn't, but where would we be without those moments of magic from sanchez, ozil, caz etc - that always bail him out.

That's my point though. He is good at spotting the little sprinkles of stardust to make a team look good,now and then but he completely neglects the steel. So all those clubs you've mentioned will give those below them a hiding and maybe the odd team above them but beyond the odd lucky cup run,no real ripples in their own smaller ponds.................sound familiar

[clockender1]

any thinking manager can outwit wenger.

given the money and talent at his disposal, he is easily one of the worst in the division.

wenger would take the likes of newcastle, villa, southampton, swansea down.

Behave yourself.

He would not take them down. He'd probably keep them about where they are and no more. He is a 'just so' manager. Too set in his ways and stubborn to go that extra mile or change things around.

maybe he would keep them up, maybe he wouldn't, but where would we be without those moments of magic from sanchez, ozil, caz etc - that always bail him out.

That's what good players are bought for. Drogba, Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, etc bail their clubs out all the time and have done for years. That's how football works.

eaxctly, if we were a villa, southampton or newcastle, we wouldn't have that talent - and bearing in mind our tactics and preparation are absolute bollocks (not to mention our defending, medical staff and youth development), its not beyond reasonable thought that we'd be bottom half is it ?

not imho.

[SteveO 35]

any thinking manager can outwit wenger.

given the money and talent at his disposal, he is easily one of the worst in the division.

wenger would take the likes of newcastle, villa, southampton, swansea down.

Behave yourself.

He would not take them down. He'd probably keep them about where they are and no more. He is a 'just so' manager. Too set in his ways and stubborn to go that extra mile or change things around.

maybe he would keep them up, maybe he wouldn't, but where would we be without those moments of magic from sanchez, ozil, caz etc - that always bail him out.

That's what good players are bought for. Drogba, Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, etc bail their clubs out all the time and have done for years. That's how football works.

Hey - that's our 'very close to signing virtual strikeforce' you're talking about there !

[clockender1]

That's my point though. He is good at spotting the little sprinkles of stardust to make a team look good,now and then but he completely neglects the steel. So all those clubs you've mentioned will give those below them a hiding and maybe the odd team above them but beyond the odd lucky cup run,no real ripples in their own smaller ponds.................sound familiar

his talent spotting skills are no in doubt - he's an excellent scout ( or someone is) but its the rest, in fact everything else.

martinez, pardew, rodgers, and various swansea and soton managers keep those teams up with hard work, preparation and tactics. none of which wenger has.

he is a terrible matchday coach.

[SteveO 35]

That's my point though. He is good at spotting the little sprinkles of stardust to make a team look good,now and then but he completely neglects the steel. So all those clubs you've mentioned will give those below them a hiding and maybe the odd team above them but beyond the odd lucky cup run,no real ripples in their own smaller ponds.................sound familiar

his talent spotting skills are no in doubt - he's an excellent scout ( or someone is) but its the rest, in fact everything else.

martinez, pardew, rodgers, and various swansea and soton managers keep those teams up with hard work, preparation and tactics. none of which wenger has.

he is a terrible matchday coach.

I only saw the last 20 minutes tonight but it just looked like Southampton were putting their two holders on the edge of their area waiting for the final tip tap pass from Wilshere, Rosicky or Santi to fail AGAIN before sprinting up the other end and catching 8 players forward

Look forward to Maureeno doing the same tuck up job in a couple of weeks

[clockender1]

I only saw the last 20 minutes tonight but it just looked like Southampton were putting their two holders on the edge of their area waiting for the final tip tap pass from Wilshere, Rosicky or Santi to fail AGAIN before sprinting up the other end and catching 8 players forward

Look forward to Maureeno doing the same tuck up job in a couple of weeks

wow steveo, i never knew you'd worked 30 years in football....you must have to have insight like that

i think it would scare me to know what if anything goes on in wengers brain during a game - i imagine its something like :

" okay, off we go....352...good....good... come on keep that 352....oh dear....how did that happen....okay boys lets stick to that 352 and see if they can't catch us on the break again....352...good....good... come on keep that 352....oh dear....how did that happen again....okay 70 minutes, time for some subs ....okay abou and yaya lets give that 352 your best shot......good...good...full time. that bloody ref/pitch/international/injury....."

[northbank123]

I only saw the last 20 minutes tonight but it just looked like Southampton were putting their two holders on the edge of their area waiting for the final tip tap pass from Wilshere, Rosicky or Santi to fail AGAIN before sprinting up the other end and catching 8 players forward

Look forward to Maureeno doing the same tuck up job in a couple of weeks

At Chelsea last year Wenger's fucking mind-blowing naivety made me angrier than the Chavs knocking us for six. I really mean that. Reckless tactics are one thing but it's all risk with no reward. Ploughing 7 players past the midfielder in possession on halfway - if the midfielder gets the ball away they've still got 8 men behind it so no danger but if he gets caught we are fucked. No doubt Mourinho will come up with another childish, disrespectful comment on Wenger in the run-up to piss him off. Mourinho knows it will make Wenger determined to be his anti-thesis and sure enough he will continue to penny-pinch, bleat on about FFP and turn up at Stamford Bridge with no tactical plan.

We basically have two modes in these big games: extra-inhibitous or suicidal. Old Trafford he gets it wrong every year. 2011 anybody who saw the line-up knew we were in for a bumholing but Wenger still set us up to get completely gangraped. Then the one year to go up there and dominate, last year he set us up so negatively that even after our 0-0 game plan was scuppered inside half hour we couldn't muster a chance. It's just unfathomable.

He isn't just shit at tactics, he ignores them. He literally said as much, that he makes no allowance for the opposition each game. How many fucking games has that complete arrogance cost us? He should have been absolutely castigated for that absolutely shocking admission.

I've generally mellowed a bit because although my view on him has no way changed he is here til 2017 and I'd rather walk away than resent every game etc as some people seem to. But the way we have started this season with our complete fucking disregard for set pieces and managing to look physically and tactically spent in August + September has really fucking riled me. We've all seen it before and people are barely even pretending to think we can mount a challenge. Since the win in Dortmund last year - where we for once decided on a sensible and well-executed tactical plan and reaped the rewards before reverting to type a few days later at OT - my favourite moment in Europe has been Souness tearing us to shreds after the game last week because every fucking word the bloke spoke rang true.

It's such a shame because we are genuinely not that far short imo. But Wenger will forever be two or three players away from a great transfer window. We have some really exciting players - I think Sanchez is/will be fucking brilliant, Ozil can be top drawer, Welbeck has limitations but can bring pace and dynamism to the entire attack, Oxlade-Chamberlain is the exception to the rule of overrated English youngsters and imo has got everything to make it as a top player, those are just a few. But Wenger will never get the best out of the squad and in any event our talent is undermined by the obvious areas of fragility.